1990 Thomas NNOF question
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I have seen copies with some lines missing. This is different. Opinions? 
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Did I neglect to mention one of our board memeber bought one for $400 from 707sportscards?
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<< <i> Did I neglect to mention one of our board memeber bought one for $400 from 707sportscards? >>
Oh no, not again!!!
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<< <i> Did I neglect to mention one of our board memeber bought one for $400 from 707sportscards? >>
Oh no, not again!!!
I thought it was $450
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Plus, did I say I paid more than $ 400...or $ 450... for mine
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<< <i>I'd say fake, usually the ones here are missing the black lines on the sides close to the bottom.
Did I neglect to mention one of our board memeber bought one for $400 from 707sportscards? >>
Crap. Beat me to it.
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<< <i>jeez....i'm still not convinced this card even exists!! just so happens to be the most valuable card in the set?!?!?! well, once was anyway.....never heard of anyone pulling one, or seeing one pulled, or anyone hearing of anyone seeing one pulled. 1990T was a big year for misprints/blankbacks tho..... >>
Actually, the George Bush Yale card might technically be the most valuable card in the set
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<< <i>I tried to resist......I really did......
I am still kicking myself for selling my Yale Bush card back in '91
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2 people wrote and told me it was a fake because it had a "black line" around the blue box. It doesnt look fake to me but I took it off to do more research. I dont want to sell a fake card. What do you think?
<< <i>Seller pulled card from ebay. His response....
2 people wrote and told me it was a fake because it had a "black line" around the blue box. It doesnt look fake to me but I took it off to do more research. I dont want to sell a fake card. What do you think? >>
The card with the "black line around the blue box" is most definetly a fake; I can bet my entire card collection on that. The real one (as shown in the graded example in this topic) clearly shows the missing black lines along the middle of the left blue border, the Topps logo missing along with the name missing. This was the result of that portion of the black printing plate either missing or not working when the card was printed. Pretty lazy counterfeiting job if you ask me.
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<< <i>How much does a 1990 Yale Bush card go for? >>
I think Bob got his on the cheap -- it is less a question of how much they go for and more a question of actually locating an example for sale.
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<< <i>I would like to have one of those Bush cards - does anyone know of one that is for sale? >>
nope -- it will be expensive, when/if you can find one.
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1990 Topps George Bush
As a favor to President George Bush, Topps produced a special run of 100 cards in it's 1990 design featuring a photo of the president in his Yale University baseball uniform. At least a few of the cards reportedly were inadvertently included in regular Topps packages and made their way into the hobby.
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<< <i>From the last Standard Catalog Of Baseball Cards that I have (2005)
1990 Topps George Bush
As a favor to President George Bush, Topps produced a special run of 100 cards in it's 1990 design featuring a photo of the president in his Yale University baseball uniform. At least a few of the cards reportedly were inadvertently included in regular Topps packages and made their way into the hobby. >>
Well theres still some hope for unopened 90 Topps I guess.
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Some baseball card counterfeits are otherwise genuine cards that have been doctored. This usually involves making a slight alteration in order to transform a common card into a rare and expensive variation. Famous variations include the T206 Magie error (misspells the last name of Sherry Magee), T206 Doyle variation and the 1990 Topps NNOF (No Name on Front) Frank Thomas.
The collector should take extra care when purchasing expensive variations. This can include getting second opinions, whether from a fellow collector or trusted grader, and purchasing from a good seller.
Altered counterfeits is an area where you can get a worthwhile opinion from a non collector. While you may be the resident baseball card guru, your spouse or daughter may turn out to have a keener eye for seeing alterations.
Methods for identifying altered cards
A combination of the following tests will identify most altered counterfeits
Visual Examination: Added paper and paint is often identified just by a close look. It is often a slightly off color, pattern and/or texture. It is difficult to match colors to fool the human eye. While most amateurs can be easily detected, some professional restores can be deceptive job.
Surface Texture: When holding a card at an angle nearing 180 degrees to a light, the added paint, ink or paper will often have a different texture and gloss from the rest of the card surface. The added material also may be physically raised from the rest of the card. You might be able to feel the relief with your finger tip.
It is extremely difficult to match the gloss of the original, and chances are added paper or ink will shine differently.
The added paint on this fake 1990 Topps NNOF Frank Thomas is obvious when viewed at a sharp angle to the desk lamp. The paint has a different gloss and texture.
Opacity: When held up to a bright light, the doctoring may be apparent.
Black Light: Just as counterfeits and genuine cards often fluoresce differently under black light, so often will the alterations. Added paper, glue and ink material may stand out under black light.
Beware of 'varnished' counterfeits
To try and cover-up their handiwork, some forgers will coat the card in a clear substance. This often makes the touchups harder to see with the naked eye. However, the varnish will usually give the card an abnormal gloss and florescence. Comparison with genuine cards in the same issue will reveal the difference.
A collector once bought a rare variation T206 card. The card looked okay to him, except the front was much glossier than his other T206s. The card turned out to be an altered card that had been varnished.
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