Griffins - Question for you about 1962 LA Dodger Postcards

Kep13

Do your 1962 LA Dodger Postcards have perforations on the top of the cards? I had to tear my cards (which I submitted to PSA) out of a postcard booklet, so naturally there are perforations. I spoke to PSA on the phone today and they told me the reason that my cards were not graded is because they don't have any records of these cards having perforations. I find it hard to believe that mine are the only ones that had to be taken out of a booklet...do you have any knowledge re: the perforations of these cards?

Thanks,

Rick

Kep13

Bumping up for Griffins to see

Griffins

Sorry, missed your first post.
I think so. I've never actually held a raw '62 (have lots of raw '59's). The ones I have were gifts from other board members- rdimand, morrellman, and onlychild. They would be the ones to ask.
I'll check the actually slab tonite, but from the looks of my scan I think they were perferated.

MorrellMan

The '59 - '62 PC photos were issued in a variety of ways. Here's a pic of the '59 set, printed on both sides and sold as a fold-out:



Bob (rdimand) might recall better, but we both used to go to Dodger games in the first years of the '60s. I think I had a one-sided fold-out in 1960 with postcard backs that I bought from Danny Goodman (Dodger concessionaire extraordinaire). When the Dodgers moved to Chavez Ravine in '62, they had more souvenirs and souvenir stands then you could shake a stick at. I would really not doubt at all that the PCs were available as perf'd sheets.

MorrellMan

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I'll check the actually slab tonite, but from the looks of my scan I think they were perferated.


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Anthony,
Didn't you mean to say they weren't perforated? I don't see any wings on that scan. Good lord, am I getting that old?

blue227

Kep13, PSA does grade 1962 Dodger postcards that have a perforated top edge (see scan of Koufax PC below). As was pointed out by others in this thread, the team-issued postcards were sold in different forms including a booklet that includes several postcards, each of which is perforated on the top edge and which has a stub portion that remains stapled in placed. I don't own a copy of the postcard booklet but I think it is the one that has the pictures of Dodger players' heads cut out in circles on the cover.

A few months ago, I tried to get PSA to distinguish between the postcards with the perforated edge and those without. However, from what I learned, when PSA staff screens cards an the early stage of the grading process, they tend to rely heavily on SCD Standard Catalog to determine whether or not a card is legit. For some reason, a couple of years ago, the editors of the Standard Catalog messed up the pages in the middle of the "D" section and omitted the pages that included the Dodger team issued postcards that were issued after the 1960 set (1962 to present) along with the team-issued 8" x 10" color photos that were sold in packs of 3 at the Stadium. Ever since the year when the pages in the SCD were omitted (couple years ago, i think....), PSA has increasingly rejected Dodger postcards for grading using the "no holder available" excuse which usually means "I can't find record of this card's origin so I'm going to reject it." In the case of the perforated postcard variations, since there is no entry in the Standard Catalog that such a set exists, PSA will either grade it (and not acknowledge the variation) or will reject it.

Another thing inconsistent about PSA's grading of the postcards is the year that they will list on the slip. Prior to the checklist pages getting deleted from the Standard Catalog, the SCD editors referenced the issue as "1962-1965 Dodger Postcards" with entry notes that had a more specific breakout of the year that a particular postcard was released. For example, for the postcards sold from 1962-1963, they are distinguished by a red overview image of Dodger Stadium printed in the message portion of the postcard. During the cases when the PSA screener bothered to read the notes, they would sometimes enter the more specific time period on the slip as opposed to the broader range.

Several months ago (years ago?), I asked PSA to create registry sets for the Dodger postcard sets that were released in 1962-65. Months after my request (and after the Standard Catalog started to omit the post-1960 Dodger postcard sets), I got an email from PSA's Cosetta who asked me to provide them with a specific checklist for the different years within the range. However, since I had chucked my old copy of the SCD by that point, I no longer had a checklist to provide. In any event, i'll probably get around to responding to Cosetta's request at some point but only after i find another source that has a specific checklist for the postcards that were issued in the early to mid 60's.

The 1962-63 postcards are among my favorite of the Dodger team issued PC's because they got great Kodachrome color images and can be easily found (relatively speaking) at reasonable prices (again, relatively speaking). I also like the fact that the images from different PC's seem to line up as part of a larger, panoramic shot. Notice how the background of the Koufax PC nicely aligns itself with the background from the Tommy Davis PC. Cool, huh?

Kirk

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blue227

Kep13, i'm too technologically-challenged to know how to insert a decent size scan in my post. If you'd like to see a larger scan of the postcards, PM me your email address and i can send it to you.

55in88

Kirk, I am glad that you responded to this thread. I have been kicking around trying to get PSA to differentiate between the years more properly before I send in more of my postcards. You are correct about the perforated cards coming in a stapled "package" with a group of players head shots in circles on the top card. I have a checklist of postcards that I got many years ago (from an article in The Trader Speaks) that include all of the postcards from the '59 through the late '60's. I have just recently had some of these graded, and two were examples of the perforated types, including the head shot postcard. I will try to locate my list, and send you a copy if it would help you with PSA. I am planning on registering all of the postcards, and it would be great if PSA would acknowledge the variations and the correct years.

Doug

1966CUDA

Kirk/Doug- What about sending in photo copies of the pages out of the old catalog that show the cards? I have several I was going to send in and went back to the catalog that showed them and was going to reference the catalog year and page number as well as a photo copy of each page. Do you think if that stuff is included they will then grade them??? I have about 10 from diff. years I'd like to send in but not if I'm just gonna get vouchers and no cards graded!
-Claude

Griffins

I would suggest sending any documentation into Joe with a note, and cc'ing BJ. I've found them to be really receptive when contacted directly.

blue227

Cuda, i agree with Anthony. I've had cards rejected with the "no holder available" excuse only to see the exact same card listed for sale on eBay the following month. When asked, the seller who got his card graded explained how he submitted his card with backup documentation to confirm its origin. PSA will appreciate anything a collector does to make their job easier (while saving them from having to issue a refund!)

Kep13

Just wanted to give a shout out to all the excellent info given below...as Doug stated below, mine came in a stapled booklet. When I spoke to the rep on the phone, she said that the specs dept. tried to locate the perforated versions in various baseball reference books but couldn't find them, hence they didn't grade them. I believe a couple of mine should grade as 9's and the others 8's....very nice condition....the rep said if I could find info showing the perforated cards (in some reference book) to let them know...if anyone has a book or catalog showing these, please let me know...I guess I wonder why the heck I couldn't just send in the staples and the rest of the booklet just to show them I didn't concoct these cards in my lab....

Kep13

p.s. That was some great info Kirk....I wonder if I could locate an old copy of the SCD catalog on Ebay or somewhere else, which would show the checklists and perforation info....

Kep13

Okay, I've just ordered a used 1999 Standard Catalog of Baseball Cards for $4 off Amazon.com. They have quite a few years available, and hopefully 1999 will contain the info needed...

rjd

I'll try to get a scan of the booklet and a list of what's in it. Bob (rdimand or rjd). Great cards, beautiful and some are quite plentiful.

rjd

The perforated ones are from a booklet, I have beauty of the booklet at home, I'm at work now. There are virtually identical to the standard 62-65 Dodger postcards. PSA has now lumped the 62-65 as one series, the ones with # in the red stadium on the back where the stamp goes. In the PSA pop report, it's 62-65 Dodger Postcards, now about pop 100. I ahve not ever seen a perforated one graded.

I have the 62-65 Dodger Postcards in to be a registry set, getting closer to being listed. there is also a separate 1966 run of postcards.

rjd

KHT, those are the only perforated ones I have seen graded. I'm not gonna rip them out of my booklet, it's completely intact. I'll try to get a scan of it, but I also don't want to bend too much. Are the backs also identical?? I do have a 62 Dodger listed as different stadium and # where the stamp goes. I'll try to get scans of the different postcrads. I have some of these with 62's labels, some with 65, but they all seem to be combined now. More later.