Any New York Knicks Fans Out There?
SeatedCoin
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They have been very exciting this year knocking on the door of a .500 winning percentage. With 31 games left they have won 1 less than they won all last year. Until tonight they were 4-0 in four very exciting OT games. They also had won 18 straight when taking a lead into the 4th quarter. Well tonight in the 4th quarter they blew a 10 point lead against Utah. Utah scored two 3 pointers in a matter of a minute. With seconds left Jamal Crawford attempted a 3 pointer which he missed but he was clearly fouled. The refs ignored it and the game went into OT where they lost by 2 points. In OT there were some calls against the Knicks too. Very frustrating but they were playing on the road but at least they gave 100%. Needless to say Isaiah Thomas was livid and wouldn't even give an interview after the game.
"The answer was in the Patriots eyes. Gone were the swagger and c0ck sure smirks, replaced by downcast eyes and heads in hands. For his poise and leadership Eli Manning was named the game's MVP. The 2007 Giants were never perfect nor meant to be. They were fighters, scrappers....now they could be called something else, World Champions."
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"The answer was in the Patriots eyes. Gone were the swagger and c0ck sure smirks, replaced by downcast eyes and heads in hands. For his poise and leadership Eli Manning was named the game's MVP. The 2007 Giants were never perfect nor meant to be. They were fighters, scrappers....now they could be called something else, World Champions."
I take great pleasure when the Sox lose to the tribe lol. Dunno why I dislike them so much, I like their players, and their old timers like Yaz and Doerr and Teddy Ballgame, heck I've even played ball IN Fenway park and laid down on the left feel grass
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"The answer was in the Patriots eyes. Gone were the swagger and c0ck sure smirks, replaced by downcast eyes and heads in hands. For his poise and leadership Eli Manning was named the game's MVP. The 2007 Giants were never perfect nor meant to be. They were fighters, scrappers....now they could be called something else, World Champions."
In this situation, I agree with those who chastize the NY fan for being spoiled/impatient... I'm not really sure where all the venom comes from towards this team - they are a very young team improving nightly. Do people want to go back to the Layden days, and have an old, slow team with no chance at ever winning a title? Thomas has been there exactly three years (NOT ENOUGH TIME TO COMPLETE THE OVERHAUL THIS TEAM NEEDED) and though the record doesn't show it, like I said there is improvement. What we have -
1) One of the top 5 centers in the game. Say what you want about Eddy Curry - he JUST turned 24 and he's turning into a monster - he can be so unstoppable at times it's not funny. When he brings it every night (like he has for the last 10 games or so) he goes for 25-30 with 8-10 rebounds. He's getting better at recognizing the double team and hitting the open guy. Last year was a lost season of development for him, one I blame on Larry Brown (more on him later).
2) Two emerging stars in Frye and Lee. Say what you want about Isiah but the man can draft. Frye has a good inside/outside game and has regained his confidence after last seasons sporadic PT. I can't say enough abot Tenacious Lee. Averaging a double double when he starts, providing spark and 10 boards when he comes off the bench. Best white PF since, well ???? and I'm sure Dolan doesn't mind a guy the fans can feel they relate to to put behinds in seats. That tip-in with .01 to beat the Bobcats was one of the sickest plays I've ever seen.
3) A decent, young, core. Lee, Frye, Balkman (another great draft pick), Curry, Jeffries, Crawford, Robinson, and Collins all have their primes in front of them. Steph is playing better (and though I don't really like the guy, he is a team key and does some nice things for underpriveleged kids).
4) No more next-town Brown. This is where the venom should be pointed. Dude sandbagged us last year, turned us into Team Titanic. Won a championship with a great team and his head got too big to fit in the front doors at MSG. He turned this team to crap, running an offense that did not fit these players, butting heads with everyone on the team, and putting out the most ridiculous lineups night in and night out. 25 games under .500, starting Malik Rose and Mo Taylor, not developing the kids, requesting the disastrous jalen Rose and Steve Francis deals, so much more... Why he chose to sabotage the Knicks I don't know, but I'm glad he's gone on to the next 5 teams he'll coach.
This team is destined for failure in the minds of many fans and the snakes (like Peter Vecsey) in the NY media. Isiah gets thrown on the back page of the Post wearing a clown suit, you'd never see Doogie Frank treated that way, despite the Nets poor showing so far. If "fans " aren't watching or going to the Garden, they are missing out on a lot of fun - F last year, these guys don't quit, are resiliant, and can win any game. These three OT wins the last couple of weeks have been a pleasure to watch. They would have lost all of these games in the last couple of years, but no quit - they were down 5 in 2 of the OTs last night, and down 4 in the 2nd OT with 10 seconds to go, against the best team in the East with a still-depleted roster (like when they beat Utah with 8 guys last week).
So we're not going to win a championship this year, or next. This team is better and more fun to watch than it has been in years, and for the first time in a while there seems to be light and the end of the tunnel. Cry about the Curry deal if you want, but I've seen Tyrus Thomas play and we got the better end of this one.. We aren't finishing with the worst record this year, so Chicago won't get the No. 1 pick that will be Greg Oden, and there will be nothing to lament.
Watch a game or 3 or 4 before you write these Knicks off. See how entertaining they are, how they are coming together as a team, how kids are learing to play and win like men. Have fun watching this, and for once have some patience - life isn't always about winning right away. That's why we have the Yankees -
What sucks about the Knicks improving is that they will not be firing Isiah Thomas anytime soon, which is what the Knicks really need.
<< <i>1) One of the top 5 centers in the game. Say what you want about Eddy Curry - he JUST turned 24 and he's turning into a monster - he can be so unstoppable at times it's not funny. When he brings it every night (like he has for the last 10 games or so) he goes for 25-30 with 8-10 rebounds. He's getting better at recognizing the double team and hitting the open guy. Last year was a lost season of development for him, one I blame on Larry Brown (more on him later). >>
I still hold reservations about curry despite his good year. He still doesnt rebound the ball well and blocks absolutely nothing. Decent back to the basket defender, but overall average, if not subpar, defender. With his size, he should be pulling down at least 2 more boards a game...not to mention blocking 1 or 2 more blocks per game. Ill give him credit...good offensive player and the knicks arent looking that bad anymore with that trade.
<< <i>still hold reservations about curry despite his good year. He still doesnt rebound the ball well and blocks absolutely nothing. Decent back to the basket defender, but overall average, if not subpar, defender. With his size, he should be pulling down at least 2 more boards a game...not to mention blocking 1 or 2 more blocks per game. Ill give him credit...good offensive player and the knicks arent looking that bad anymore with that trade. >>
I agree 100% that Curry needs to become more aggressive on the boards, and on D overall. If Larry Brown hadn't decided to tank last season, I think it would have been a great situation for him to learn and improve. Instead it turned into a lost year of development. With the lack of quality 5s in the NBA, I still think he ranks right up there. Shaq and Yao are better, and Howard is really becoming a monster, but who else would anyone want to play center over Eddy? It's tough for someone to not be who they are, and EC seems like a genuinely good guy. If he can just get mean and get mad at somebody every night, I think the rebounds and blocks will pick up.
<< <i>1) One of the top 5 centers in the game. Say what you want about Eddy Curry >>
OK, Curry is a turd. Always has been, always will be.
"The answer was in the Patriots eyes. Gone were the swagger and c0ck sure smirks, replaced by downcast eyes and heads in hands. For his poise and leadership Eli Manning was named the game's MVP. The 2007 Giants were never perfect nor meant to be. They were fighters, scrappers....now they could be called something else, World Champions."
Knicks 107 Lakers 106.
Eddy Curry is a beast. 2nd year David Lee is turning out to be quite the player....up there in league leading rebounds.
"The answer was in the Patriots eyes. Gone were the swagger and c0ck sure smirks, replaced by downcast eyes and heads in hands. For his poise and leadership Eli Manning was named the game's MVP. The 2007 Giants were never perfect nor meant to be. They were fighters, scrappers....now they could be called something else, World Champions."
If they make the playoffs I think they could do some serious damage to other teams.
"The answer was in the Patriots eyes. Gone were the swagger and c0ck sure smirks, replaced by downcast eyes and heads in hands. For his poise and leadership Eli Manning was named the game's MVP. The 2007 Giants were never perfect nor meant to be. They were fighters, scrappers....now they could be called something else, World Champions."
Curry, Knicks Stun Bucks
Last week they lost to the Dallas Mavericks (most wins in the NBA) by 2 points and almost pulled out a victory. Time is running out for the injury riddled Knicks but oh have they been exciting this year. Say what you want but with Curry, a healthy Lee, Robinson, and Balkman they had a young sub 24 year old nucleus for other teams to deal with for years to come.
"The answer was in the Patriots eyes. Gone were the swagger and c0ck sure smirks, replaced by downcast eyes and heads in hands. For his poise and leadership Eli Manning was named the game's MVP. The 2007 Giants were never perfect nor meant to be. They were fighters, scrappers....now they could be called something else, World Champions."
-- Yogi Berra
This year will be a 10-12 win improvement, and hopefully next year will too. Rome wasn't built in a day, and these guys haven't been good for a long time. Last night they won with Collins and Robinson and no other guards. 5 guys - Curry, Balkman, Jefferies, and the guards played nearly the whole game, fought back from multiple defecits, and didn't quit late. I don't mind watching a team grow and come together, and I really think these guys make the playoffs next year.
"The answer was in the Patriots eyes. Gone were the swagger and c0ck sure smirks, replaced by downcast eyes and heads in hands. For his poise and leadership Eli Manning was named the game's MVP. The 2007 Giants were never perfect nor meant to be. They were fighters, scrappers....now they could be called something else, World Champions."
Can't be a fan of a team coached by Isiah Thomas, maybe when he goes I can come back.
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"The answer was in the Patriots eyes. Gone were the swagger and c0ck sure smirks, replaced by downcast eyes and heads in hands. For his poise and leadership Eli Manning was named the game's MVP. The 2007 Giants were never perfect nor meant to be. They were fighters, scrappers....now they could be called something else, World Champions."
<< <i>and most importantly, it was win #32 on the year... $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
This year will be a 10-12 win improvement, and hopefully next year will too. Rome wasn't built in a day, and these guys haven't been good for a long time. Last night they won with Collins and Robinson and no other guards. 5 guys - Curry, Balkman, Jefferies, and the guards played nearly the whole game, fought back from multiple defecits, and didn't quit late. I don't mind watching a team grow and come together, and I really think these guys make the playoffs next year. >>
This is very bad. Because the team "improved" (hell, not many coaches could NOT improve on last year), the Knicks are stuck with the imcompetent Isiah for the forseeable future. The Knicks will suck until the Dolans sell the team to an owner who will hire a competent management team.
Id really like to know what games some people are watching...this is an exciting team ?
The only thing exciting about this bunch of zero's is the excitement other teams must feel knowing they are playing them.
2-10 the last 12 games. Great way for a team trying to get into the playoffs to play.
For all those living in a bubble, this is not an exciting team with alot of good young talent who will compete for anything this year, next, or in 5 years.
Reed, Frazier, DeBusschere, Monroe, and Bradley should ask that their banners be removed from the Garden rafters until they put a respectable team on the court.
-- Yogi Berra
So again, what's the solution. You want to blow up the team, get rid of everybody and start from scratch? Good luck with the cap the way it is (which has been that way for years, well before Isiah took over) and if the players are so horrible, who wants them, right? Is someone else going to come and put a winner on the court next year? Should they build around a nucleus of young, drafted talent? Oh wait, they have that nucleus - (Frye, Lee, Balkmann, Curry (though not drafted by us), Robinson, Collins, etc).
I've said it before and I'll say it again - Rome wasn't built in a day - Isiah had crap to work with, Brown tanked the team last year (I hate Larry Brown) and they are improving. I usually agree with you Bri, but I think you are off base on this team. It's not like Isiah had a championship team he ruined - how long has it been since the Knicks brought home the title?
That doenst mean I think he is any good, but I certainly dont blame him for the state of the team as it is now.
If I knew the solution I wouldnt be here typing it, I would be an NBA GM. What I do know is that the team, though improved, is not a team that is going anywhere. As assembled, young or not they do not have anywhere close to what it takes to go far.
Talent on this team has been drastically overrated by folks eager to see a winner. Of course they have improved over last year. Could it possibly, even mathematically, have gotten any worse ?
By the time NY sees a legitimate playoff threat take the court in the garden 90% or better of the current roster will be absent.
Rome, though not built in a day, was built by superior personel. This current roster in no ways resembles the early days of the Roman or any other future empire.
-- Yogi Berra
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2-10 the last 12 games. Great way for a team trying to get into the playoffs to play.
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Yeah, 12 games ago was about when Dolan extended Isiah's contract. Face it -- Isiah SUCKS and must be kicked out of basketball before he does any more damage. He destroyed an entire league (CBA) for crying out loud.
Matt Millen keeps his job in Detroit by saying "at least I'm not as bad as Isiah!"