here is a beauty!
Doogy
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don't know much about British copper, but i'll bet there aren't a ton of them graded this high that are 200 years old!
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<< <i>I suspect you're right!
whoa!! is that a proof? its stunning
is that you end up being governed by inferiors. – Plato
Also, given the extent to which proofs were saved compared to business strikes, it wouldn't surprise me if there were easily more high-grade proofs than business strikes extant.
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<< <i>Yeah I saw that. I own his little brother below, a 1/2d in NGC MS66 (which I need to reimage one of these days)
Also, given the extent to which proofs were saved compared to business strikes, it wouldn't surprise me if there were easily more high-grade proofs than business strikes extant.
sweet! thanks for sharing that beauty! the seller wants $350 for the penny shown above (PCGS MS66). does that sound about right for a coin of this grade/year/type?
By way of comparison I paid $250 for the 66 above, but I think the 1/2d is generally a bit less expensive than the 1d.
The only reason I'm not bidding on this one is that I already have a 1d in NGC MS64 BN PL. It's the only certified PL of the series by either NGC or PCGS. NEN bought it as a proof, but felt that it was not one; I bought it and sent it in to NGC for grade review, and they concurred that it was a business strike rather than a proof. The weird thing was that NEN discounted the piece bigtime compared to other proofs of the same date and denomination because it was holdered erroneously, yet prooflike business strikes are much more scarce than actual proofs. Go figure...
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<< <i>If you can get it for the minimum bid or close, I'd do it. I was strongly considering putting in a snipe myself, but opted not to. The price compares favorably with recent results at Heritage, and those were 64s.
By way of comparison I paid $250 for the 66 above, but I think the 1/2d is generally a bit less expensive than the 1d.
The only reason I'm not bidding on this one is that I already have a 1d in NGC MS64 BN PL. It's the only certified PL of the series by either NGC or PCGS. NEN bought it as a proof, but felt that it was not one; I bought it and sent it in to NGC for grade review, and they concurred that it was a business strike rather than a proof. The weird thing was that NEN discounted the piece bigtime compared to other proofs of the same date and denomination because it was holdered erroneously, yet prooflike business strikes are much more scarce than actual proofs. Go figure... >>
thanks for the feedback on the relative value of this one! I may indulge as long as it doesn't get out of control, we'll see.
Wow, great luck on the PL one! not only finding a PL one, but paying a very fair price!
as far as these old coppers are concerned, is there much chance of it turning (black/spotty/etc) in the holder over time? I would keep it in my Intercept Shield box anyway, but i really don't have much experience with the old copper stuff. thanks!
Doug
beautiful!
I agree on your decision to stick with the PL, of which I'd love to see a photo.
That's what I love about NEN, when they buy a coin that they think is a proof, or a gem, and the grading services do not agree, they don't have a problem discounting the coin to levels even lower than their buyprice, perhaps much lower at times, they take the hit and move on. In this case, scarcer or not, I assume that the proof was more expensive, period. Of course, if the occasional 67 or 68 hits their door, they will equally push the price upwards, to levels not recommended for people with vertigo.
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MS examples outnumber PR examples 3-1 at PCGS and 2-1 at NGC. The proofs from the Boulton and Watt estates
stick out like sore thumbs in the super grades. However, MS examples can also come out of the woodwork with
Groll coins advertising 3 dozen high grade MS 1/2P's from 1799 including full red examples! I like 'em all!
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