Just wait till I submit my super duper extra sharp crisp and glossy 92UD set!!!!
It will be sight to behold!
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Mike, Those '90s UD sets are my favorites! The photography is great and they are dirt cheap! My two favorite things! If I pick up a set for under $10 and look at it once, It's cheaper than a movie
TB- I think the bottom line is that its just a hobby. If you have fun and don't spend over your head, whatever you do will be a blast. I think any card that doesn't have white borders looks great in a holder. To prove it to you, what other idiot would buy a modern card like this that was free?
I could never do it. I have been working on my '76 set for a couple of years. It is like feast or famine for me.
As for the '87 set, I would get some of the stars and your favorite cards in PSA 10. They would display well. I believe that it would be just as satisfying to try to put together a gem mint set in a binder. I think you would find that there are a few difficult cards from that set. In the end, a stunning set in ultra pros that you really poured your efforts into would be just as enjoyable and easier to store, display and view.
Collector of 1976 Topps baseball for some stupid reason. Collector of Pittsburgh Pirates cards for a slightly less stupid reason. My Pirates Collection
Really I never mentioned that I was thinking about completing the whole set graded, I think it would be a Epic feat for anyone who tried and I personally have other cards that I would like to spend that kind of money on. I plan on getting all or most of the stars graded and leave it at that. One of these days though someone is going to be just crazy or smart enough to complete this monster.
I'd like to chime in here. Of course, no collector in their right mind would ever pay $4k, or even $2k for an 87 Topps set in any condition. You would also lose a ton of money on the cards that grade out to 9 or lower (no one bats 1.000, even on a set like this), so in actuality it would probably cost about $5,500-6,000 in grading fees to do it yourself. Clearly not worth the effort, even if it's a whole lot of fun.
You could go the route of buying singles here and there, but that would take years. Not a whole lot of people submitting 1987 Topps Tim Burke cards. A search for "1987 Topps PSA 10" today brought up a handful of stars (with high starting bids) and no commons. I'd say you'd be looking at at least 5 years before coming close to completion, and that's being conservative.
As far as value, there have to be hundreds of thousands of cases sitting in warehouses across the country, meaning there's no real potential for even perceived scarcity, so I think you're out of luck there. The only way of even coming close to breaking even if you put it together and decide to sell would be to break it up and slowly sell the singles at set prices in an ebay store. I would guess it would take about 3 years or so to get rid of most of it to player collectors. Then again, you could get lucky and find another guy trying to put the set togther in PSA 10 and sell a good chunk to him.
Either way, I'm thinking you would probably stop about 25% of the way and ask yourself "What the hell am I doing?" I think we've all started collecting some oddball set or player and stopped out of frustration and/or common sense.
Then again, if you really like the set and can look at all the info in this thread and still say "What the hell", I think we'd all understand.
Lee
ps- Hi soft, boo, tennessee and everyone else. It's been a while.
HI lee ! Good points you made there. I'm not going to be the one to even think about completing this baby, But eventually someone will. I think it is probably one of the most liked and recognized sets of the past 25 years. But you are right unless you have the capital of Bill Gates and the patience of Gandhi it will be a Herculaen task.
BTW Lee, I havent seen where you have busted any unopened stuff in a while, I really used to enjoy watching your bust threads. How's the 78 set comin ?
I'm not really a set collector, but I was trying to find Mint copies of all of the 78 RCs and ended up busting a lot of boxes because I was breaking even or turning a profit on most of my 78 breaks. I still never found a mint Murray, but had a ton of fun in the process. I took a break over the last several months because I was going a little overboard, but I'm looking forward to picking up some more stuff over the coming months. I'll let you know if I bust anything.
<< <i>Personally, I think you'd be nuts to get them graded. Just keep cracking cases until you get a full set that lives up to YOUR standards, not someone else's. Read this thread about Downgoesfrazier's pursuit of the perfect 1986 set for a little inspiration. I found that far more interesting than reading about someone submitting hundreds of cards to PSA and then complaining because they didn't get as many 10s as they were hoping. >>
I have to completely agree with the above.
Certainly my pursuit of the '86 set has alot to do with this. Over the past 2 or so years Ive opened dozens upon dozens of 86 rack boxes and managed to put together around half the set in what I feel to be perfect condition. By that I mean perfectly centered cards with zero chipping or white showing, and all with rich " wet " looking black borders. When perfect the '86 cards are absolutely stunning.
As value goes the '87 cards are right there with the '86 in that neither will ever be worth what is put into them, but each have great eye appeal and charm when a great example comes along.
Like Skin mentioned there are uniform holders for cards if you intend on displaying them, so why not trust your own judgement and save yourself a pile of $$ and go that route.
Good luck whatever you decide. By even considering the '87 set proves your love of collecting and hobby rather than less innocent and money driven motives. >>
I too have about 50% of the 1986 T set in mint, but what I've found is that it's the second half of that set which is really, really tough. The Dodgers cards and Tigers cards virtually all have printing imperfections in the team lettering at the top, and all of the Mets who are wearing warm up jackets (Bruce Berenyi springs to mind) have those horrible orange print dots all throughout the blue space. There are some other cards too, like the Pete Rose 78-81, which are almost impossible to find centered.
The '86 set gets no love, but one day I think it will. There's a lot of cheap unopened out there, so set collectors can bust their own wax without selling a kidney, but there's not nearly as much unopened as there is for post 87 issues, and when it comes to condition this set has no rival in the pantheon of junk wax sets.
<< <i>perhaps we need to see if we can all band together and shorten the supply of late80s cards. we all pick a set and buy a cases of cards of that set. $500 should buy around 5-10 cases of any given baseball product around this time (aside from 87 fleer/don, 1989 UD, too expensive). when we each have our product, we can all agree to meet on an old abandoned baseball diamond, not unlike Field Of Dreams, and hold our own "Donruss Demolition Night" or "Terrorize Terrible Topps Tonite"........have a good old fashioned pig roast over the fire. now THAT would be a card show!!! disturbingly, i'm halfway serious about this. heck, spending $4k-5k (the cost of getting a cheap set graded) would yield around 1000 cases from a grateful dealer and the enjoyment and stories coming from this would greatly outweigh the 'fun' of collecting the set. of course, if you like, we can break down all the product, cherry pick the best cards, and throw the rest on the fire......
WOULD KINDA BE SOMETHING LIKE THIS:
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I remember watching that doubleheader on TV the night it happened. Completely crazy. I wish I could find a tape of the full game coverage.
i've been looking everywhere for someone who taped the 7-12-79 Sox/Tigers game, being i'm a rabid Tiger fan. i was starting to think it wasn't even televised. besides, it was 1979 and only rich people had vcrs!!! i thought the only footage was from news cams...... anyway, i got matches if anyone else has the 'firewood'!!!! i'll even bring the booze..... Let NO Bonds, McGwire, Jeffries, Bo Jackson, Palmiero, Burks or even Greenwell be spared!!!
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Just wait till I submit my super duper extra sharp crisp and glossy 92UD set!!!!
It will be sight to behold!
Mike,
Those '90s UD sets are my favorites! The photography is great and they are dirt cheap! My two favorite things! If I pick up a set for under $10 and look at it once, It's cheaper than a movie
TB-
I think the bottom line is that its just a hobby. If you have fun and don't spend over your head, whatever you do will be a blast. I think any card that doesn't have white borders looks great in a holder. To prove it to you, what other idiot would buy a modern card like this that was free?
You're looking at him. Sometimes its about fun.
As for the '87 set, I would get some of the stars and your favorite cards in PSA 10. They would display well. I believe that it would be just as satisfying to try to put together a gem mint set in a binder. I think you would find that there are a few difficult cards from that set. In the end, a stunning set in ultra pros that you really poured your efforts into would be just as enjoyable and easier to store, display and view.
Collector of Pittsburgh Pirates cards for a slightly less stupid reason.
My Pirates Collection
You could go the route of buying singles here and there, but that would take years. Not a whole lot of people submitting 1987 Topps Tim Burke cards. A search for "1987 Topps PSA 10" today brought up a handful of stars (with high starting bids) and no commons. I'd say you'd be looking at at least 5 years before coming close to completion, and that's being conservative.
As far as value, there have to be hundreds of thousands of cases sitting in warehouses across the country, meaning there's no real potential for even perceived scarcity, so I think you're out of luck there. The only way of even coming close to breaking even if you put it together and decide to sell would be to break it up and slowly sell the singles at set prices in an ebay store. I would guess it would take about 3 years or so to get rid of most of it to player collectors. Then again, you could get lucky and find another guy trying to put the set togther in PSA 10 and sell a good chunk to him.
Either way, I'm thinking you would probably stop about 25% of the way and ask yourself "What the hell am I doing?" I think we've all started collecting some oddball set or player and stopped out of frustration and/or common sense.
Then again, if you really like the set and can look at all the info in this thread and still say "What the hell", I think we'd all understand.
Lee
ps- Hi soft, boo, tennessee and everyone else. It's been a while.
I'm not going to be the one to even think about completing this baby, But eventually someone will. I think it is probably one of the most liked and recognized sets of the past 25 years. But you are right unless you have the capital of Bill Gates and the patience of Gandhi it will be a Herculaen task.
BTW Lee, I havent seen where you have busted any unopened stuff in a while, I really used to enjoy watching your bust threads. How's the 78 set comin ?
Lee
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<< <i>Personally, I think you'd be nuts to get them graded. Just keep cracking cases until you get a full set that lives up to YOUR standards, not someone else's. Read this thread about Downgoesfrazier's pursuit of the perfect 1986 set for a little inspiration. I found that far more interesting than reading about someone submitting hundreds of cards to PSA and then complaining because they didn't get as many 10s as they were hoping. >>
I have to completely agree with the above.
Certainly my pursuit of the '86 set has alot to do with this. Over the past 2 or so years Ive opened dozens upon dozens of 86 rack boxes and managed to put together around half the set in what I feel to be perfect condition. By that I mean perfectly centered cards with zero chipping or white showing, and all with rich " wet " looking black borders. When perfect the '86 cards are absolutely stunning.
As value goes the '87 cards are right there with the '86 in that neither will ever be worth what is put into them, but each have great eye appeal and charm when a great example comes along.
Like Skin mentioned there are uniform holders for cards if you intend on displaying them, so why not trust your own judgement and save yourself a pile of $$ and go that route.
Good luck whatever you decide. By even considering the '87 set proves your love of collecting and hobby rather than less innocent and money driven motives. >>
I too have about 50% of the 1986 T set in mint, but what I've found is that it's the second half of that set which is really, really tough. The Dodgers cards and Tigers cards virtually all have printing imperfections in the team lettering at the top, and all of the Mets who are wearing warm up jackets (Bruce Berenyi springs to mind) have those horrible orange print dots all throughout the blue space. There are some other cards too, like the Pete Rose 78-81, which are almost impossible to find centered.
The '86 set gets no love, but one day I think it will. There's a lot of cheap unopened out there, so set collectors can bust their own wax without selling a kidney, but there's not nearly as much unopened as there is for post 87 issues, and when it comes to condition this set has no rival in the pantheon of junk wax sets.
<< <i>perhaps we need to see if we can all band together and shorten the supply of late80s cards. we all pick a set and buy a cases of cards of that set. $500 should buy around 5-10 cases of any given baseball product around this time (aside from 87 fleer/don, 1989 UD, too expensive). when we each have our product, we can all agree to meet on an old abandoned baseball diamond, not unlike Field Of Dreams, and hold our own "Donruss Demolition Night" or "Terrorize Terrible Topps Tonite"........have a good old fashioned pig roast over the fire. now THAT would be a card show!!! disturbingly, i'm halfway serious about this. heck, spending $4k-5k (the cost of getting a cheap set graded) would yield around 1000 cases from a grateful dealer and the enjoyment and stories coming from this would greatly outweigh the 'fun' of collecting the set. of course, if you like, we can break down all the product, cherry pick the best cards, and throw the rest on the fire......
WOULD KINDA BE SOMETHING LIKE THIS:
I remember watching that doubleheader on TV the night it happened. Completely crazy. I wish I could find a tape of the full game coverage.
Tabe