bunch of cry babies????

diamondman · February 4, 2007 1:46PM

ifin it is raw it must be trimmed or recolored? nobody in their right mind would ever sell anything above a PSA 6 on feebay GET A LIFE you CRYBABIES There are people that donot believe in the ALMIGHTY PSA. GEEZ Oh I only have 200 + posts so i must be an IDIOT. GROW UP or DROP DEAD EITHER WAY IS FINE BY ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Boopotts · February 4, 2007 2:17PM

Looks like someone took the seven points tonight.

Stump · February 4, 2007 6:09PM

Sounds like someone woke up on the wrong side of the rock

DJJ

rbdjr1 · February 4, 2007 6:24PM

Maybe he just watched Prince at half time?

Got (Prince, Bears and that "Purple Rain"!) me so mad, I turned PURPLE!

rd

P.S.

WinPitcher · February 4, 2007 10:27PM

I only have 200 + posts so i must be an IDIOT.

You said it not us.

Steve

RipublicaninMass · February 5, 2007 12:08AM

<< I only have 200 + posts so i must be an IDIOT.

You said it not us.

Steve >>

Why dont you buy some GEM graded beauties? Don't trust anyone over 30

mkg809 · February 5, 2007 12:15AM

Is RichG back?

Ladder7 · February 5, 2007 1:13AM

"The name's Francis Sawyer, but everybody calls me Psycho. Any of you guys call me Francis, and I'll kill you... Also, I don't like no one touching my stuff. So just keep your meathooks off. If I catch any of you guys in my stuff, I'll kill you. And I don't like nobody touching me. Any of you homos touch me, and I'll kill you."

sonoranmonsoon · February 5, 2007 1:42AM

So tell us....how do you really feel?

diamondman · February 5, 2007 2:06AM

I just think it is funny in the last 10 days on these boards I have read about overgraded raw cards and how you should only buy PSA or SGC and I agree somewhat because alot of raw is overgraded, but alot is not. Then sure enough here comes a board about someone buying a PSA card that was overgraded and it is the sellers fault because he trusted PSA and he does not accept returns for third party graded cards. Then last night I see a thread that this dealer with 47,000 positives and 4 negs is selling recolored 1971 topps and has a 7 day no question asked return policy, but he is a crook????Then someone with a 52 mantle because he only has 150 + posts not 7000 posts is probally trying to rip us off even though he put the card in the right board and wants to sell it. I know there is times that someone is running Bad (ripoff auction ) and I thank the people that bring this to our attention.
I know you can't please all the people all the time, and was just venting last night, it reminds me of the card shows and my store where there was always one or two customers that would drive you crazy (whining & crying). had a 78 ryan in my store and at shows for about 3 years (1996-1999) had it priced at 150 % of Beckett 60.00 I think everyone told me I was ripping them off never sold it sent it in to PSA and it came back a PSA 9 sold it for 400 +. Yes it took me quite a few years before I started dealing with graded cards (2005). PSA is the leader in authenication & grading and alot of cards absolutely need to be authenicated because of all the counterfeits and scams that are out there. Seen my fair share of counterfeits , trimmed , recolored cards and resealed packs.learned some of my lessons the hard way (buying it) have been into dealing/collecting for 30 + years. It is just amazing how quick people want to trash another person's reputation, and then the others that join in without hard facts to back up their claims and if you disagree with what is being said you are a moron or idiot . Enough rambling. Flame away

Signed: The Idiot with only 200+ posts.

diamondman · February 5, 2007 2:07AM

<< Sounds like someone woke up on the wrong side of the rock

DJJ >>

You mean everyone does not sleep on a rock

diamondman · February 5, 2007 2:10AM

<< 

<< I only have 200 + posts so i must be an IDIOT.

You said it not us.

Steve >>

Why dont you buy some GEM graded beauties? Don't trust anyone over 30 >>

I'll just stick to the unnaturally beautiful toned morgans and standing libertys

rbdjr1 · February 5, 2007 2:27AM

<< I just think it is funny in the last 10 days on these boards I have read about overgraded raw cards and how you should only buy PSA or SGC and I agree somewhat because alot of raw is overgraded, but alot is not. Then sure enough here comes a board about someone buying a PSA card that was overgraded and it is the sellers fault because he trusted PSA and he does not accept returns for third party graded cards. Then last night I see a thread that this dealer with 47,000 positives and 4 negs is selling recolored 1971 topps and has a 7 day no question asked return policy, but he is a crook????Then someone with a 52 mantle because he only has 150 + posts not 7000 posts is probally trying to rip us off even though he put the card in the right board and wants to sell it. I know there is times that someone is running Bad (ripoff auction ) and I thank the people that bring this to our attention.
I know you can't please all the people all the time, and was just venting last night, it reminds me of the card shows and my store where there was always one or two customers that would drive you crazy (whining & crying). had a 78 ryan in my store and at shows for about 3 years (1996-1999) had it priced at 150 % of Beckett 60.00 I think everyone told me I was ripping them off never sold it sent it in to PSA and it came back a PSA 9 sold it for 400 +. Yes it took me quite a few years before I started dealing with graded cards (2005). PSA is the leader in authenication & grading and alot of cards absolutely need to be authenicated because of all the counterfeits and scams that are out there. Seen my fair share of counterfeits , trimmed , recolored cards and resealed packs.learned some of my lessons the hard way (buying it) have been into dealing/collecting for 30 + years. It is just amazing how quick people want to trash another person's reputation, and then the others that join in without hard facts to back up their claims and if you disagree with what is being said you are a moron or idiot . Enough rambling. Flame away

Signed: The Idiot with only 200+ posts. >>

Well put (well, much better than your first post!). In D-fence of the fellow member that posted about a 1971 Topps "recolored" Ryan. Those scans look fantastic. I have seen hundreds of scans of1971 Topps in PSA 8s, PSA 9s and PSA 10s. And if my memory serves me correctly (which it does, some times!

), I remember almost always seeing plenty of, "some whitish" or "some lighter than black" edges on these PSA 8, 9 & 10s of 1971 Topps baseball.

Does anyone else know what I'm talking about? The seller who is selling the raw '71 Ryan, and a whole bunch of other 1971, either has some of the best looking raw 1971s I seen (potential PSA 7s, 8s, 9s, and who knows? maybe a 10?), with almost "all black" edges, on most of the scans. My point with all this verbage is I also looked at that Ryan scan, and wondered if the edges could be THAT SWEET? And I looked at the dozens of other raw 1971 Topps scans from that seller, and wondered if they are all THAT GOOD?

I agree the seller is a good one, but those scans just look soooooooooooooo wonderful.

rd

P.S. I'll try to post a link to those 1971's, if I can find it! And maybe others who know this series well can comment as to possible "recolored cards" or not.

edit: here is the link to what looks like a sweet card to me (and all 752 '71 topps too! As this seller says he's breaking-up a complete mint set, wow!) , and hopefully, to the bidders who win those great looking cards get cards that have edges that look as "good as their respective scans do"!!! 1971 topps MINT SET BUST #513 NOLAN RYAN METS SHARP!

Here, take a look at the this scan for, a graded PSA 8 Ryan, that is up for bids at BBCexchange. And look at the edges, which is typical of other scans, as I remember them in the past. Compare it to the "raw card" being offered. And one can understand why someone may question that card. 1971 Topps #513 Nolan Ryan PSA NM-MT 8

cravetopps · February 5, 2007 2:37AM

clearly you have to give the seller the benefit of the doubt. BUT, if that scan reflects the true condition of the card, you have to question his judgment. If the card is a 9, and he will never get that price for his auction, then he just let at least a thousand bucks on the table and several thousand for the Munson that looks even better. WHY would anyone NOT submit the card to potentially make a few thousand extra bucks? Something is missing here and I am sure all you experts can fill me in.

diamondman · February 5, 2007 2:42AM

<< 

<< I just think it is funny in the last 10 days on these boards I have read about overgraded raw cards and how you should only buy PSA or SGC and I agree somewhat because alot of raw is overgraded, but alot is not. Then sure enough here comes a board about someone buying a PSA card that was overgraded and it is the sellers fault because he trusted PSA and he does not accept returns for third party graded cards. Then last night I see a thread that this dealer with 47,000 positives and 4 negs is selling recolored 1971 topps and has a 7 day no question asked return policy, but he is a crook????Then someone with a 52 mantle because he only has 150 + posts not 7000 posts is probally trying to rip us off even though he put the card in the right board and wants to sell it. I know there is times that someone is running Bad (ripoff auction ) and I thank the people that bring this to our attention.
I know you can't please all the people all the time, and was just venting last night, it reminds me of the card shows and my store where there was always one or two customers that would drive you crazy (whining & crying). had a 78 ryan in my store and at shows for about 3 years (1996-1999) had it priced at 150 % of Beckett 60.00 I think everyone told me I was ripping them off never sold it sent it in to PSA and it came back a PSA 9 sold it for 400 +. Yes it took me quite a few years before I started dealing with graded cards (2005). PSA is the leader in authenication & grading and alot of cards absolutely need to be authenicated because of all the counterfeits and scams that are out there. Seen my fair share of counterfeits , trimmed , recolored cards and resealed packs.learned some of my lessons the hard way (buying it) have been into dealing/collecting for 30 + years. It is just amazing how quick people want to trash another person's reputation, and then the others that join in without hard facts to back up their claims and if you disagree with what is being said you are a moron or idiot . Enough rambling. Flame away

Signed: The Idiot with only 200+ posts. >>

Well put (well, much better than your first post!). In D-fence of the fellow member that posted about a 1971 Topps "recolored" Ryan. Those scans look fantastic. I have seen hundreds of scans of1971 Topps in PSA 8s, PSA 9s and PSA 10s. And if my memory serves me correctly (which it does, some times!

), I remember almost always seeing plenty of, "some whitish" or "some lighter than black" edges on these PSA 8, 9 & 10s of 1971 Topps baseball.

Does anyone else know what I'm talking about? The seller who is selling the raw '71 Ryan, and a whole bunch of other 1971, either has some of the best looking raw 1971s I seen (potential PSA 7s, 8s, 9s, and who knows? maybe a 10?), with almost "all black" edges, on most of the scans. My point with all this verbage is I also looked at that Ryan scan, and wondered if the edges could be THAT SWEET? And I looked at the dozens of other raw 1971 Topps scans from that seller, and wondered if they are all THAT GOOD?

I agree the seller is a good one, but those scans just look soooooooooooooo wonderful.

rd

P.S. I'll try to post a link to those 1971's, if I can find it! And maybe others who know this series well can comment as to possible "recolored cards" or not.

edit: here is the link to what looks like a sweet card (and all 752 '71 topps too! wow!) 1971 topps MINT SET BUST #513 NOLAN RYAN METS SHARP! >>

rd: I had the pleasure about 15 years ago of building a 71 set and a dealer I knew said come over to my house and I'll let you pick out what 71's you need went over to his house and low and behold on his kitchen table sat 6 unopened vending boxes. There are 71's out there like that Ryan
but they are rare, 71 is a bear you look at the card wrong and some of the black chips off. even when I was going through the vending boxes with kid gloves there were quite a few 3 to 1 that had chipping along the borders or corners. wish I had the 71 set still but I sold it in 1994 or 95 at a show for around 1500. would love to have sent some of those into PSA.

fiveniner · February 5, 2007 2:45AM

<< I just think it is funny in the last 10 days on these boards I have read about overgraded raw cards and how you should only buy PSA or SGC and I agree somewhat because alot of raw is overgraded, but alot is not. Then sure enough here comes a board about someone buying a PSA card that was overgraded and it is the sellers fault because he trusted PSA and he does not accept returns for third party graded cards. Then last night I see a thread that this dealer with 47,000 positives and 4 negs is selling recolored 1971 topps and has a 7 day no question asked return policy, but he is a crook????Then someone with a 52 mantle because he only has 150 + posts not 7000 posts is probally trying to rip us off even though he put the card in the right board and wants to sell it. I know there is times that someone is running Bad (ripoff auction ) and I thank the people that bring this to our attention.
I know you can't please all the people all the time, and was just venting last night, it reminds me of the card shows and my store where there was always one or two customers that would drive you crazy (whining & crying). had a 78 ryan in my store and at shows for about 3 years (1996-1999) had it priced at 150 % of Beckett 60.00 I think everyone told me I was ripping them off never sold it sent it in to PSA and it came back a PSA 9 sold it for 400 +. Yes it took me quite a few years before I started dealing with graded cards (2005). PSA is the leader in authenication & grading and alot of cards absolutely need to be authenicated because of all the counterfeits and scams that are out there. Seen my fair share of counterfeits , trimmed , recolored cards and resealed packs.learned some of my lessons the hard way (buying it) have been into dealing/collecting for 30 + years. It is just amazing how quick people want to trash another person's reputation, and then the others that join in without hard facts to back up their claims and if you disagree with what is being said you are a moron or idiot . Enough rambling. Flame away

Signed: The Idiot with only 200+ posts. >>

Add me to the idiot list .I once had ZERO feedback.I am glad that someone believed in me and helped me begin building my reputation.I am not a big time seller however my objective is customer satisfaction which helpd me sell cards based on buyers feedbacks.
If its junk I am selling I will describe as junk.

rbdjr1 · February 5, 2007 2:50AM

rd

ALL I CAN SAY IS WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

cravetopps · February 5, 2007 2:55AM

exactly my point, rd.

diamondman · February 5, 2007 3:03AM

<< clearly you have to give the seller the benefit of the doubt. BUT, if that scan reflects the true condition of the card, you have to question his judgment. If the card is a 9, and he will never get that price for his auction, then he just let at least a thousand bucks on the table and several thousand for the Munson that looks even better. WHY would anyone NOT submit the card to potentially make a few thousand extra bucks? Something is missing here and I am sure all you experts can fill me in. >>

There are still a alot of (Old school) dealers and collectors out there (I can grade my own cards and don't need someone else to do it) attitudes, and I use to be one of them up until 2005, and still look very closely at any PSA card I buy or get graded have some 8's I think should be 9's and some 9's that should be 8's. I know crack the 8's and resub. there are still a few coin dealers out there that sell raw and don't deal in PCGS. To each his own and like what was said on another board maybe the card is a borderline 9 might come back an 8 or worse a 9oc. with graded coins there was always 2 prices sight seen (higher price) and sight unseen (lower price). eye appeal quite often drives the price on one card and holds the price down on another card, both with the same grade.

cravetopps · February 5, 2007 3:21AM

I agree this could come back as an 8 or worse. We don't see the scan of the back, for example, and unless you have the card in your hand, it is hard to judge accurately. But, from this vantage point, it appears to have almost perfect centering on the front, clearly within PSA guidelines for a 9 and not OC. It's either a 9 or altered. I hope whomever buys the card checks in after they send it to PSA.

RipublicaninMass · February 5, 2007 3:28AM

<< I agree somewhat because alot of raw is overgraded, but alot is not. >>

99.9% of CU member would say that 99.9% of ebay raw is at least ONE grade overgraded.
I guess you must have missed the thread about waverly82's 71 coming back recolored

RipublicaninMass · February 5, 2007 3:31AM

<< ifin it is raw it must be trimmed or recolored? nobody in their right mind would ever sell anything above a PSA 6 on feebay GET A LIFE you CRYBABIES There are people that donot believe in the ALMIGHTY PSA. GEEZ Oh I only have 200 + posts so i must be an IDIOT. GROW UP or DROP DEAD EITHER WAY IS FINE BY ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >>

diamondman · February 5, 2007 3:41AM

Trick question which one is better?

diamondman · February 5, 2007 3:44AM

<< 

<< ifin it is raw it must be trimmed or recolored? nobody in their right mind would ever sell anything above a PSA 6 on feebay GET A LIFE you CRYBABIES There are people that donot believe in the ALMIGHTY PSA. GEEZ Oh I only have 200 + posts so i must be an IDIOT. GROW UP or DROP DEAD EITHER WAY IS FINE BY ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >>

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I'll take the Zoloft and some valiums

rbdjr1 · February 5, 2007 3:46AM

<< Trick question which one is better?

>>

same card!

rd

edit: good point, smaller scan looks nicer (and the top edge looks too nice! LOL!)

Bunker · February 5, 2007 3:49AM

Same card?

<< edit: good point, smaller scan looks nicer? >>

Or it has been colored?

diamondman · February 5, 2007 3:53AM

Same card smaller scan and i Chopped a little off the top (in the scan) not with a razor.

WinPitcher · February 5, 2007 5:25AM

Eric is not leaving any money on the table. If the Munson or Ryan could grade he would have it graded. Why is the black bodered Ryan scanned on something black?

Steve

KalineFan · February 6, 2007 10:07AM

Did I miss something on the 71 Ryan? Everyone (ok, maybe not all!) is saying it is a lock MINT 9.

Did everyone compare the top to bottom centering? This would definitely get a qualifier IMHO.

Tony
KalineFan

Morgoth · February 6, 2007 10:14AM

reminds me of going to a show and seeing the guys with tons of ungraded cards for sale that looked great but after asking other dealers I found that most came from O/C holders or had small creases. With the widespread use of grading companies and how much cards bring in top condition if these were legit 9 mint cards a bigtime dealer would of already stepped in. He is most likely selling marginal (7/8 or qualified) cards at top prices.

cheeks · February 6, 2007 3:23PM

Aw Hell you guys, just stick to PSA Mantles. PSA was very helpful to me several times as I am somewhat computer illiterate. Upgraded my raw Mantles from 25 years ago to PSA graded cards and had no problem with quality. Unfortunately my wife of 40 years does not agree with my decision. I finally made the Mantle basic registry which further confirmed her previous comments about my addictive habits. IN HOC SIGNO VINCES

Nuyauwka · February 7, 2007 4:14PM

For the record , I bought about 30 71 nmt/mt topps from the Ryan vendor about 12-15 months ago. Atleast half of them were recolored. He did refund the ones I caught but not the bunch PSA caught. Upon much closer inspection, PSA was right , they were recolored.

bunch of cry babies????

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