Need some helpfrom the Conder token collectors here

Writersblock

If anyone here has an example of a Shropshire 11, I need to see a picture of it. I'm tracing a die not pictured in D&H.

farthing

While I do not own an example for that token, a scan of an Shropshire 11 token is included on Dr. Gary Sriros' Conder token CD. I can highly recommend Gary and the CDs, and I believe he now has his latest updated CD on the market. His ebay handle is gsriro

Writersblock

I have been talking about the coin in that picture with Dr Sriro. The problem is the coin in the picture does NOT match the the reverse of Shropshire 11 shown in D&H. In fact the reverse does not match ANY of the Shropshire reverses shown in D&H.

So the problem is now to determine if #11 as described by D&H actually exists, or did they err and not realize that #11 and #17 do not share the same reverse die. (D&H says they have the same reverse, and the die shown as 11 in the book does match the die used on 17.) If we can confirm that #11 as described by D&H does exist then the coin pictured on the CD becomes 11bis (And I have my third new die varity discovery.), or if it doesn't then Dr Sriro actually has an 11 and I have just discovered a new die not recognized by D&H and new diagnostics for #11 will have to be listed in future editions. And maybe I'll finally be able to find an 11 for myself. I've been looking for years but probably passing on pieces because they didn't match the die shown in D&H.

I plan on trying to write up a small article on this for a future issue of the Conder Token Journal. But I need to hear from collectors who have an 11.

farthing

I do see what appears to be differences between Gary's scans for #11 and #17 in the handle controls to the left of the operator (which parts cross over/under other parts) but I cannot tell any differences between the scan for #11 and the picture in D&H, probably due to the state of Gary's token.

What differences are you seeing?

You could also ask over on the NGC boards, Conder101 posts over there.