grades just popped really happy with some rare ones

itsinthegrade

I just got back my 1st submission from bgs with the new 9.5 or better deal I have. I got a lot of rare 1/1's which i'm very happy with.

Here are the grades:

ItemID Set Name Player Final Grade
4882037 1997 St. Catharines Stompers Best Vernon Wells 9.5
4882036 2003 Lancaster JetHawks Grandstand Dan Uggla 9.5
4882035 1997 Carolina League Top Prospects Best Bronson Arroyo 9.5
4882034 2003 Tampa Yankees Grandstand Robinson Cano 9.5
4882033 1997 Carolina League Top Prospects Best Mark DeRosa 9.5
4882032 2003 Tampa Yankees Grandstand Robinson Cano 9.5
4882031 1997 Carolina League Top Prospects Best Carlos Lee 9.5
4882030 2004 Reading Phillies Multi-Ad Ryan Howard 9.5
4882029 1997 Carolina League Top Prospects Best Aramis Ramirez 9.5
4882028 1997 Carolina League Top Prospects Best Carlos Lee 9.5
4882027 2002 Casper Rockies Grandstand Ubaldo Jimenez 9.5
4882026 1998 Southern League Top Prospects Grandstand Carlos Lee 9.5
4882025 2004 Reading Phillies Multi-Ad Ryan Howard 9.5
4882024 2004 Reading Phillies Multi-Ad Ryan Howard 9.5
4882023 1997 Florida State League Top Prospects Best Eric Milton 9.5
4882022 1996 Texas League All-Stars Best Paul Konerko 9.5
4882021 1993 Rockford Royals Fleer/ProCards Johnny Damon 9.5
4882020 1992 Durham Bulls Fleer/ProCards Chipper Jones 9.5
4882019 1994 Florida State League All-Stars Fleer/ProCards Derek Jeter 9.5
4882018 1994 Florida State League All-Stars Fleer/ProCards Edgar Renteria 9.5
4882017 1997 Florida State League Top Prospects Best David Ortiz 9.5
4882016 1997 Florida State League Top Prospects Best David Ortiz 9.5
4882015 1997 Florida State League Top Prospects Best David Ortiz 9.5
4882014 1997 Florida State League Top Prospects Best Adrian Beltre 9.5
4882013 2003 Staten Island Yankees Multi-Ad Melky Cabrera 9.5
4882012 1992 Greensboro Hornets Classic/Best Jorge Posada 9.5
4882011 2002 Casper Rockies Grandstand Ryan Shealy 9.5
4882010 2002 Casper Rockies Grandstand Ubaldo Jimenez 9.5
4882009 2002 South Atlantic League Prospects Multi Ad Andy Marte 9.5
4882008 2002 Capital City Bombers Multi-Ad David Wright 9.5
4882007 2002 Capital City Bombers Multi-Ad David Wright 9.5
4882006 2002 Capital City Bombers Multi-Ad David Wright 9.5
4882005 2002 Capital City Bombers Multi-Ad David Wright 9.5
4882004 2003 Staten Island Yankees Multi-Ad Matt DeSalvo 9.5
4882003 1997 Carolina League Top Prospects Best Aramis Ramirez 9.5
4882002 1997 Carolina League Top Prospects Best Aramis Ramirez 9.5
4882001 1991 Macon Braves ProCards Chipper Jones 9.5
4882000 2002 South Atlantic League Prospects Multi Ad Robinson Cano 9.5
4881999 1997 Florida State League Top Prospects Best Jacque Jones 9.5
4881998 1996 Richmond Braves Update Best Andruw Jones/1000 9.5
4881997 1997 Carolina League Top Prospects Best Carlos Lee 9.5
4881996 1997 Carolina League Top Prospects Best Aramis Ramirez 9.5
4881995 1997 Carolina League Top Prospects Best Mark DeRosa 9.5
4881994 1997 Carolina League Top Prospects Best Carlos Beltran 9.5
4881993 1997 Carolina League Top Prospects Best Bronson Arroyo 9.5
4881992 1997 Carolina League Top Prospects Best Bronson Arroyo 9.5
4881991 1996 Richmond Braves Best Jason Schmidt 9.5
4881990 1997 Carolina League Top Prospects Best Carlos Beltran 9.5
4881989 2002 South Atlantic League Prospects Multi Ad David Wright 9.5
4881988 2002 South Atlantic League Prospects Multi Ad Ryan Howard 9.5
4881987 2001 Florida State League Prospects Grandstand Chase Utley 9.5
4881986 2001 Florida State League Prospects Grandstand Chase Utley 9.5
4881985 2004 Trenton Thunder Multi-Ad Chien-Ming Wang 9.5
4881984 2003 Staten Island Yankees Multi-Ad Melky Cabrera 9.5
4881983 2003 Staten Island Yankees Multi-Ad Matt DeSalvo 9.5
4881982 2005 California League Top Prospects Grandstand Brandon Wood 9.5
4881981 2003 Scranton Wilkes-Barre Red Barons Choice Chase Utley 9.5
4881980 2003 Trenton Thunder Multi-Ad Chien-Ming Wang 9.5
4881979 1992 Gulf Coast Yankees Fleer/ProCards Derek Jeter 9.5
4881978 1997 Carolina League Top Prospects Best Bronson Arroyo 9.5
4881977 1997 Carolina League Top Prospects Best Carlos Beltran 9.5
4881976 1997 Carolina League Top Prospects Best Carlos Lee 9.5
4881975 1997 Carolina League Top Prospects Best Mark DeRosa 9.5
4881974 2004 Trenton Thunder Multi-Ad Chien-Ming Wang 9.5

Runny

congratulations, you must have an excellent eye... now I wonder if PSA would have also assigned gem mint grades to those as well...

lawnmowerman

<< <i>bgs with the new 9.5 or better deal I have >>



Can you elaborate on this deal?

Thanks

Matt

itsinthegrade

<< <i>

<< <i>bgs with the new 9.5 or better deal I have >>



Can you elaborate on this deal?

Thanks

Matt >>




I submitted 225 cards & I only had them encapsulate 9.5's or better. So I wouldnt be stuck with 9's.

XanaduNow

Itsinthegrade,

If you don't mind me asking ... what is the advantage to not having something graded 9 encapsulated? Is it easier to move them if they're raw as opposed to be slabbed? Also, does BGS not charge you for cards that don't come back 9.5 or better?

If so, I feel a dramatic reduction in the value of 9.5's coming on.

Thanks

Arthur

EagleEyeKid

I submitted 225 cards & I only had them encapsulate 9.5's or better. So I wouldnt be stuck with 9's.

Edit:

Xanadu beat me to it.

Please elaborate a little more. Do they NOT charge you for
cards that do not meet your 9.5 or better criteria?

Boopotts

<< <i>I submitted 225 cards & I only had them encapsulate 9.5's or better. So I wouldnt be stuck with 9's.

But don't you still have to pay for those other cards that didn't meet your criteria? I mean they still have to look over the other cards to determine if it's a 9.5 or not. If you say that they don't charge you anything if they don't meet your minimum grade; then I'm sending them everything I have. Please elaborate a little more. >>




I think that, for whatever reason, he's reluctant to tell you the whole story. My understanding is that some guys have worked out a deal with BGS whereby they only slab the 9.5's, but you pay a significant premium for each card that ends up being slabbed. So, instead of something like $5 per card, you pay $0 for anything less than Gem Mint and $15 or so for each card that is Gem Mint.

lawnmowerman

<< <i> So, instead of something like $5 per card, you pay $0 for anything less than Gem Mint and $15 or so for each card that is Gem Mint. >>



Smart move by Beckett to make some extra dough. This only confirms the fact that BGS will grade pretty much anything 9.5

TheMcgwireMuseum

So it all makes sense now. I was wondering why the BGS 9.5's i was getting in the mail off ebay looked equivalent to PSA 8's (at best!). Its BGS deciding that they'd rather make $15, instead of $0.

ldferg

some guys have worked out a deal with BGS whereby they only slab the 9.5's, but you pay a significant premium for each card that ends up being slabbed. So, instead of something like $5 per card, you pay $0 for anything less than Gem Mint and $15 or so for each card that is Gem Mint.

holy cow, is this real?????

EagleEyeKid

Its BGS deciding that they'd rather make $15, instead of $0.

This is still speculation. I'd like to get to the bottom of this.

1989FleerBillRipkencollector

*edited as I cannot pull up website so I'll get back when I have facts.

fandango

Ouch not good.....The BGS slide into GEM MINT GRADINGville/PRO GRADINGville is getting closer!

ldferg

i think several would like to get to the bottom. if this is the case i'd say there are several 'overgraded' cards waiting to be sold.

itsinthegrade

ok guys before we find out were hoffa is. i pay $7 a card every card submitted, but i only get gems encapsulated. i have over 500 bgs & psa 9's that i cant move. so a card raw i usually can sell much quicker.

drewsef

this occurs at all grading services, be it cards, coins, paper money, stamps, or comic books. You can bank on it that PSA does this for an significant part of their revenue. How else do you think people like 4 Sharp Corners and a host of others can sell cards in mint 9 holders by the truckload for $3 a pop in many cases, and that includes time to list, Ebay fees, paypal fees, grading fees, payment for the cards, and shipping all banking on the hope that they get enough high grade cards to list and make a profit off? Businesses don't stay in business long with that type of model. Everyone must remember that these are all businesses and the main objective is profit, which I don't have any problems with.

EagleEyeKid

Well, here's the thing that doesn't make sense to me.
If you're paying for every single card to be looked at, why not
have it slabbed anyways? Are people that afraid or that lazy
to crack out the slabs themselves?

PuertoRicanFogBank

Hmmmmm, interesting topic, fellas.

XanaduNow

<< <i>Well, here's the thing that doesn't make sense to me.
If you're paying for every single card to be looked at, why not
have it slabbed anyways? Are people that afraid or that lazy
to crack out the slabs themselves? >>



Yeah, Bryan essentially beat me to it. Maybe I've been only paying attention to pre-war too much lately but is it really easier to move a raw card than one encapsulated 9 mint? (I'm assuming you're submitting modern only)

Thanks

Arthur

Bunker

<< <i> i have over 500 bgs & psa 9's that i cant move. so a card raw i usually can sell much quicker. >>



I would think that it would be easier (and that you would get more money) for a PSA 9 than you would for a raw card.

itsinthegrade

guys if you notice the cards i sell there MINOR LEAGUE CARDS FROM TEAM SETS. so i bust open sets & submit the cards that look mint or better. if they dont gem i put them back into the sets. thats why there worth more to me uncapsulated. its hard to a bgs or psa 9 back in a team bag.

Stone193

<< <i>Its BGS deciding that they'd rather make $15, instead of $0.

This is still speculation. I'd like to get to the bottom of this. >>

I don't know Bryan...

This may require some serious major deep diving gear?

Stone193

I know nothing about Beckett card values.

But I do understand the rationale - heck a lot of PSA 9s don't even sell for the grading fee - and I'm talking cards that are 20 yrs old.

Congratulations itsinthegrade - nice grades.

mike

Boopotts

<< <i>guys if you notice the cards i sell there MINOR LEAGUE CARDS FROM TEAM SETS. so i bust open sets & submit the cards that look mint or better. if they dont gem i put them back into the sets. thats why there worth more to me uncapsulated. its hard to a bgs or psa 9 back in a team bag. >>




Sorry if I opened a can of worms. The idea I put forward was based on a few conversations I've had with modern card dealers at shows, so I figured you had some kind of arrangement like this when you said you were happy with the new 9.5 deal you struck up with BGS.

In any event, if you're going to post a submission result with something like 75 straight 9.5's, and then mention a 'deal' you have with the grader, you shouldn't be too miffed if your post gives rise to some speculation.

Cubby

5STAT

How else do you think people like 4 Sharp Corners and a host of others can sell cards in mint 9 holders by the truckload for $3 a pop in many cases, and that includes time to list, Ebay fees, paypal fees, grading fees, payment for the cards, and shipping all banking on the hope that they get enough high grade cards to list and make a profit off?

This logic is shot straight from the hips......

Everyone is always jealous of others that are making it....but do the math, if you grade several thousand cards per year...your eye gets better. I know what 4 Sharp is paying...and trust me...he's taking a loss on alot of what he sells. But he can do it because he's making it up on people willing to pay crazy numbers on the 10's....and marginal gains on the better 9's...

The conspiracy theorists abound these days.

My case in point...I had one sub of 73-76 that had 250 cards...all straight from vending. I received 47- 10's..mostly all 9's..and a half dozen 8's. The cost of the lot to grade was $1300+.....the 10's alone got me close to $3200. So could I have then sold off quality vintage PSA 9's at $3 and MADE money?? YES...

It's strictly a numbers game....bulk dealers make their money on every lot and then move on to the next one!! The key element that you guys just don't get is that to them its a BUSINESS and they care nothing about the sportscards....all they know is how to move product!!

So if they submit 2500 cards in an order and are even on grading fees and services after selling the 1st 500-1000.......you think they really care about what they sell the rest for?

THIS is what will kill the graded market in years to come...and why sets like the 1986 Fleer Basketball are taking such a hit.....supply and demand.

Here's the deal with BGS....you have them look at every card, they submit a raw card review...which is described on their website. They put a sticker on the cardsaver saying what they would grade it (we've all seen these for sale on Ebay). Then for an extra fee..you have encapsulated the cards that you want.

So it's not a "here's 500 cards...make them all 9.5s"......

There will always be those who go to shows and see the same guys sitting at the BGS booth and these are the same guys who have all the 9.5s........it's ironic...coincidental...intreguing.....but yet unproven to date.

For for all those claiming to have a DEAL in place with any grading company....it's probably ill advised to even mention anything..as it makes you suspect and open to the masses.

itsinthegrade

i just got a pm & told what i have is not a deal but i have a min grade set. i was told psa does this to. i tell the grading company only encapulate cards the are gem. so i'm happy someone cleared this up for me.