WIDE AM?

gene2393

What dates and coins have this error?


gene2393

IRCWCoins

1998, 1999, and 2000.

PrivateCoinCollector

Anybody have a picture?

66RB

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coppercoins

So far what is known to exist:

1992 - close AM
1992D - close AM
1998 - wide AM
1998S - close AM
1999 - wide AM
1999S - close AM
2000 - wide AM

What is tentatively reported to exist:

1993D - wide AM
1996 - wide AM

aballein

found this wide am in change a few weeks ago

Barbercoin

I found a great looking WIDE AM example (1999) while going through rolls last summer.

John

PrivateCoinCollector

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Thanks, but I am not getting it. I just looked at two pennies and see the same thing. Either I am incredibly lucky (not) or I need me an education. What am I looking for?

Rampage

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Thanks, but I am not getting it. I just looked at two pennies and see the same thing. Either I am incredibly lucky (not) or I need me an education. What am I looking for? >>



You are looking at the AM of AMERICA. The normal variety is where the two letters are touching. If they are separated, they are the wide AM. Compare with coins dated 1992 and before. You should be able to tell the difference quite well.

66RB

see the A and M of America? They are not touching at the base of the letters, there is a little gap there. This is what you want to look for, very easy to spot with the naked eye.
The regular, or type 1 reverse, the letters are nearly touching at the bottoms.

A M and AM <-----------sort of like that.

PrivateCoinCollector

Got it! Thanks.

Cam40

on the reverse the word america has two variations
one is where the letters A and M are pratically touching at their feet
and the other older version where theres a wider gap or more seperation between the A and M

dpoole

So far what is known to exist:



<< <i>1992 - close AM
1992D - close AM
1998 - wide AM
1998S - close AM
1999 - wide AM
1999S - close AM
2000 - wide AM

What is tentatively reported to exist:

1993D - wide AM
1996 - wide AM
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Nice summary, Chuck.

First I've heard for the 1993-D and the 1996. I understood they theoretically could have existed. but this is the first I've heard that they do.

What have you heard about these?

Cam40

i think those(1998-2000) were meant to be used to strike proof cents but somehow these
proof reverse dies were used to strike some business strikes.

gene2393

anyone have a picture of the 1998 wide AM?


gene2393

Rampage

I thought I read on the message boards here about three years or so ago that a 1997 Wide AM existed somewhere. Maybe I got it confused with the 96, but it is worth looking in to.

66RB

<< <i>anyone have a picture of the 1998 wide AM? >>



It looks exactly the same as the other two that have been posted, except for the date on the obverse.

coppercoins

Both the 1993D and the 1996 were second hand information from a source that is reliable. I do not know the source although I suspect it is Ken Potter. He and my source were in somewhat regular contact at one time. I believe he knows of at least a couple that exist that have not been outed yet. I believe it was he who first reported both the 1992D and the 1992.

Jcarney

BTW, the 2000 Wide AM is the easiest to find in circulation, I've found 6 of them. The 1998 is out there too, I've found two of them. The 1999 is the scarcest of the bunch.

kevinstang

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Arr, those last two, you mean I have to look start looking through all my pennies again

I've found 3 of the 2000's, 2 of the 98's and 1 of the 99's so far.

bumanchu

I found about 160 of the 1998's in a single $25.00 bank box. Most of mine have the "phantom D" as well.

I have only about 25-30 left.

I have had the better examples slabbed at both PCGS and across the street.

And I once was the owner of all five of the PCGS top pop 67's.

That was a well spent $25.00

dpoole

<< <i>I found about 160 of the 1998's in a single $25.00 bank box. Most of mine have the "phantom D" as well.

I have only about 25-30 left.

I have had the better examples slabbed at both PCGS and across the street.

And I once was the owner of all five of the PCGS top pop 67's.

That was a well spent $25.00 >>








Now that is just amazing!

I'll bet THAT was hard to keep to yourself when you came across all THAT!

coppercoins

Okay, my story...

I live well within the D mint distribution area. Finding Philly cents here is a task in its own right, but when I do find them, I make sure to flip them over.

I go through probably 50,000 cents per year from circulation, and have yet to find ONE SINGLE example of a mismatched reverse in circulation.

I have found three 2000 wide AM cents at shows in dealer stock, and haven't yet found any of the others.

I am hoping to be the first verified find of a D mint coin (other than 1992) with the wrong reverse, and have been at it for years and haven't found one yet.

gene2393

Im still looking through change for any errors. i haven't found any example of the wide am varieties yet but im still looking. gonna go to the bank im the morning and get a 25.00 box and see what i can find.


Gene2393

Murphy

Sorry about your bad luck finding Wide AM's Chuck, hehe. But I don't feel sorry for you - I know how great you are at cherry picking nice variety cents at shows! It's no wonder that's where you found your Wide Am's. I on the other hand have found nothing at shows and over a dozen 2000 t-2 as well as almost a dozen 1998 t-2 cents while searching through bank rolls. I keep looking for the elusive 1999 t-2 but as yet have not. Which brings up a good subject:

Of all the modern cents to search, I think the 1999P cent has the most to offer the variety collector. Not only is there the rare Wide AM, there is a valuable DDR (as modern DDR's go) involving doubling between the last two columns on the right end of the Memorial. And if that's not enough for ya, my sig photo is of the Holy Grail of Wavysteps where only two are known to exist...that's right, a 1999P.

gene2393

Well its off the the bank in the morning when i get up to get a box of pennies. Any other ddo, ddr, or other varieties i should look for while i am at it?


gene2393

aballein

coppercoins.com is the only place that i know of for varieties in the pennies..excelent site with lots of pics, only downside is it only goes to 2002. Still a great place and only place i know of if you have an odd looking lincoln.

Murphy

Chuck (Coppercoins) has a really good book all about searching through Lincoln cents. You could visit coppercoins.com for a look at it and can probably find a link to buy a copy. If not then check out his online listings there! Lots of varieties to look for. Many photos.

Murphy

Oh it goes through 2006 if you find the right link where you can type in the year to search.

On the left side of the HOME page, under the date, look for "die variety search". Click that link and when the next page comes up type in the years you are interested in because it has a place for two years and submit your search. If you're only interested in one year then type the same year two times and hit enter.

aballein

ahh thank you very much..i literally learn something new everyday on these boards.

Graphix

Found this 2000 a few days ago... Looks like a wide AM to me, my pics are still crappy

aballein

indeed it looks like a wide AM to me as well and i see nothing wrong with your picture...better than the ones i take!

coppercoins

<< <i>coppercoins.com is the only place that i know of for varieties in the pennies..excelent site with lots of pics, only downside is it only goes to 2002. >>



Not any more

coppercoins

Graphix - Looks like you're using a camera that has a very shallow depth of field. That being the case, youhave to make sure you're photographing the coin 100% straight on. Very difficult to achieve at times, I know. A lot of people who deal with the bigger SLR cameras have this trouble when using macro lenses...thing is, I don't have a good solution for you - sorry.

As for the coin, it's the wide-AM...congrats.

aballein

nice update to the site CC..makes it easier to browse around IMO

coppercoins

<< <i>nice update to the site CC..makes it easier to browse around IMO >>



I frankly forgot that part of the site exists. When you mentioned it only went to 2002, I knew where you were so I updated it. It's a part I built LONG ago.

bumanchu

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<< <i>I found about 160 of the 1998's in a single $25.00 bank box. Most of mine have the "phantom D" as well.

I have only about 25-30 left.

I have had the better examples slabbed at both PCGS and across the street.

And I once was the owner of all five of the PCGS top pop 67's.

That was a well spent $25.00 >>








Now that is just amazing!

I'll bet THAT was hard to keep to yourself when you came across all THAT!

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Yes and I sold a lot way too cheap, too soon. However, I only had face value plus grading fees in the coins!

Smitty79

Might as well post my '98 to complete the trifecta. Also found in pocket change.

gene2393

Ok well i went to the bank this morning and got a box of pennies, searched through it and found the following...


1 1957d wheat cent

(both of these next coins look like they were cracked out of a proof set)
1 1968d
1 1969



now i am gonna go search the second box. (btw i have pulled all of the coins with the WIDE AM error known. now i just have to take the time and look and see if i got one.


gene2393

Graphix

well if your gonna look you might as well pull out these dates as well...

1955
1960 D
1972
1983
1984
1995


don't remember off hand if there are others as well...sure someone else can

Graphix

oops... btw, good luck!!!

coppercoins

First...1968D and 1969 can't be from a proof set. Proof sets from those years have S mintmarks.

Second...what was that list of dates for, Graphix? Best thing to do is look for anything out of the ordinary, then ask about it if you don't know what it is. There are plenty of dates that have known, very nice die varieties that would go skipped with this advice.

Sort the coins by date and mint, then get looking. You want to hunt down something scarce? Quit looking for just the obvious, very scarce stuff you probably will never find. Search to discover! I've been going through Lincolns for more than 25 years and have still never found 1972 DDO#1, the 1983 DDR, the 1984 DDO...these coins are EXTREMELY elusive in change.

Graphix

Second...what was that list of dates for, Graphix?



ummmmm...sounded like he was only pulling out know varieties not searching every coin so I mentioned a few extra I remembered, sheesh

coppercoins

<< <i>Second...what was that list of dates for, Graphix?



ummmmm...sounded like he was only pulling out know varieties not searching every coin so I mentioned a few extra I remembered, sheesh >>



Agreed, now that I look at it...

But it's still wrong. Discoveries aren't made by only looking for what's known.

Gene - you should separate all coins 1992 and back from the 1993 to present and look at the reverses of every single one. Don't limit yourself to finding what's known.

08HALA20

Are cents normally Wide AM or Close AM?


Is there a 1986 wide AM?







rookie Joe

VicDaewoo

what will a nice wide AM fetch these days?

Murphy

1992 and earlier cents are supposed to have the Wide AM. Cents from 1993 to now are supposed to have the Close AM. You can get between $7 and $25 on eBay for raw ones. Much more for the 1999 which is much rarer.

08HALA20

<< <i>1992 and earlier cents are supposed to have the Wide AM. Cents from 1993 to now are supposed to have the Close AM. You can get between $7 and $25 on eBay for raw ones. Much more for the 1999 which is much rarer. >>



Thanks Murphy,
That makes it all make sense.

Now I'll never get any work done!

Rookie Joe

gene2393

Ok well searched the second box and found a 1954s, 1950d, and 1955d wheat cents.

i st ill have to now search through all of the WIDE AM variety dates i pulled out.


gene2393

gene2393

nothing good in the wide am or close am that i ulled... (roughly 200 of each)


gene2393

gene2393

going to the bank once again tomarrow. will let ya know what i find.

gene2393