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Guess The Grade-- a common $20 double eagle, from the San Francisco mint--Grade in last post!

LongacreLongacre Posts: 16,717 ✭✭✭
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I happen to like gold coins from the San Francisco mint, although whenever I mention it, I hear muffled snickers from those within ear-shot. Let's play Guess the Grade. What do you think of this coin?


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Didn't wanna get me no trade
Never want to be like papa
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--"Happy", by the Rolling Stones (1972)

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  • CladiatorCladiator Posts: 18,040 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>although whenever I mention it, I hear muffled snickers from those within ear-shot. >>

    What spurs this kind of thing?
  • ziggy29ziggy29 Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭
    Though it looks like there's rub on the cheek making this a technical 58 (if that is indeed rub), I think it would make its way into a 62 holder.
  • ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 12,831 ✭✭✭✭✭
    ms-63
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  • ttownttown Posts: 4,472 ✭✭✭
    MS62
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,111 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hard to tell from the pics. Either a 58 or a 63 depending if there is any slight wear.

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  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,162 ✭✭✭✭✭
    AU63
    Early Dollar Set
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,797 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I happen to like gold coins from the San Francisco mint, although whenever I mention it, I hear muffled snickers from those within ear-shot. Let's play Guess the Grade.

    62 (the snickers would not be muffled if I were around imageimage )
    My Box of 20: https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/box-20/ryks-gold-box-20/17132
  • seanqseanq Posts: 8,650 ✭✭✭✭✭
    63 here.

    Sean Reynolds
    Incomplete planchets wanted, especially Lincoln Cents & type coins.

    "Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
  • CladiatorCladiator Posts: 18,040 ✭✭✭✭✭
    What's the stigma behind S mint gold?
  • BECOKABECOKA Posts: 16,960 ✭✭✭
    The photo has blurred the details, i.e. you can't see any hairlines and it is hard to tell if there is any wear.

    It could be anywhere between AU58 and MS64
  • LongacreLongacre Posts: 16,717 ✭✭✭


    << <i>What's the stigma behind S mint gold? >>



    It isn't "real gold" from the coveted Southern mints.
    Always took candy from strangers
    Didn't wanna get me no trade
    Never want to be like papa
    Working for the boss every night and day
    --"Happy", by the Rolling Stones (1972)
  • CladiatorCladiator Posts: 18,040 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>What's the stigma behind S mint gold? >>



    It isn't "real gold" from the coveted Southern mints. >>

    Is this stigma also attached to Philly gold?
  • ziggy29ziggy29 Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭


    << <i>It isn't "real gold" from the coveted Southern mints. >>

    Is this stigma also attached to Philly gold? >>

    No, because Philly gold collectors don't pretend to be "advanced" gold collectors like the folks who stick to the mint marks. image
  • LongacreLongacre Posts: 16,717 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>What's the stigma behind S mint gold? >>



    It isn't "real gold" from the coveted Southern mints. >>

    Is this stigma also attached to Philly gold? >>




    I think it is. Whenever I mention Philly gold, I tend to get wierd looks, too (maybe it is just me, though image )
    Always took candy from strangers
    Didn't wanna get me no trade
    Never want to be like papa
    Working for the boss every night and day
    --"Happy", by the Rolling Stones (1972)
  • TheRavenTheRaven Posts: 4,143 ✭✭✭✭
    63
    Collection under construction: VG Barber Quarters & Halves
  • CladiatorCladiator Posts: 18,040 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm glad I don't collect US gold.
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,797 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The Official Pecking Order of Branch Mint Gold™:

    1. Carson City
    2. Dahlonega
    3. Charlotte
    4. New Orleans
    17. San Francisco
    432. Denver
    My Box of 20: https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/box-20/ryks-gold-box-20/17132
  • ziggy29ziggy29 Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭


    << <i>The Official Pecking Order of Branch Mint Gold™:

    1. Carson City
    2. Dahlonega
    3. Charlotte
    4. New Orleans
    17. San Francisco
    432. Denver >>

    I guess as Modern Crap™, West Point doesn't even register here...
  • LongacreLongacre Posts: 16,717 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>The Official Pecking Order of Branch Mint Gold™:

    1. Carson City
    2. Dahlonega
    3. Charlotte
    4. New Orleans
    17. San Francisco
    432. Denver >>

    I guess as Modern Crap™, West Point doesn't even register here... >>




    I'm actually surprised that Denver made the list. image
    Always took candy from strangers
    Didn't wanna get me no trade
    Never want to be like papa
    Working for the boss every night and day
    --"Happy", by the Rolling Stones (1972)
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,797 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>The Official Pecking Order of Branch Mint Gold™:

    1. Carson City
    2. Dahlonega
    3. Charlotte
    4. New Orleans
    17. San Francisco
    432. Denver >>

    I guess as Modern Crap™, West Point doesn't even register here... >>



    Huh?
    My Box of 20: https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/box-20/ryks-gold-box-20/17132
  • ziggy29ziggy29 Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Huh? >>

    Precisely.
  • planetsteveplanetsteve Posts: 1,425 ✭✭✭✭
    Question for you branch mint fans: Is there anything left to visit in Dahlonega? I make trips down to Atlanta frequently, and I just noticed that the interstate signs point out the way to a place called Dahlonega. Last month a business trip took me to SF and I photographed the Old Mint there. I hope to post these pics soon and would love to collect some, so to speak, of other mints.

    Another question: on this coin I notice a well-defined squiggly cut in Liberty's hair. I've seen this kind of mark on other coins. What causes it? What's the lingo for it?

    TIA...
  • CladiatorCladiator Posts: 18,040 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Another question: on this coin I notice a well-defined squiggly cut in Liberty's hair. I've seen this kind of mark on other coins. What causes it? What's the lingo for it? >>

    I believe that's a bagmark. Made by the reeded edge of another coin smacking into it. It happened alot when the coins were in the mint bags, hence the name. It's seen on the larger coins more often than it is on the smaller.
  • JJMJJM Posts: 8,031 ✭✭✭✭✭
    MS62....
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  • LongacreLongacre Posts: 16,717 ✭✭✭
    PCGS says it's a 63. I can't tell if I agree or not. The coin has a lot of luster, but the picture is not clear enough to see if there are other issues going on. What do you think?
    Always took candy from strangers
    Didn't wanna get me no trade
    Never want to be like papa
    Working for the boss every night and day
    --"Happy", by the Rolling Stones (1972)
  • ziggy29ziggy29 Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭


    << <i>PCGS says it's a 63. I can't tell if I agree or not. The coin has a lot of luster, but the picture is not clear enough to see if there are other issues going on. What do you think? >>

    I thought it had a shot at 63. I thought I saw a little rub on the cheek, but not enough from keeping it from market grading MS as the coin is otherwise much nicer than an "AU money" coin.

    I would have thought 62, but I didn't think 63 was out of the question.
  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 19,955 ✭✭✭✭✭
    63 seems right. It's attractive enough, and there's a fine line between "bag friction" and rub which is hard to discern in this picture. You see smoe real crap in 64 holders.
    John
    Keeper of the VAM Catalog • Professional Coin Imaging • Prime Number Set • World Coins in Early America • British Trade Dollars • Variety Attribution
  • clackamasclackamas Posts: 5,615 ✭
    I would say MS63
  • StuartStuart Posts: 9,761 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Longacre: In reply to your question, I think that it's a gorgeous Double Eagle with very strong eye appeal. It's got strong attractive cartwheel luster, minimal minor contact marks, and a nice strong strike.

    I see only the slightest delicately light cabinet friction (i.e. frost breaks) on Miss Liberty's cheek and neck area. It appears to be a super looking coin with the eye appeal of a choice mint state (MS-62 or 63) coin.

    Stuart

    Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal

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  • orevilleoreville Posts: 11,953 ✭✭✭✭✭
    TDN had it right when he called it a AU63.

    Undoubtedly it is an acceptable 63 yet it is a coin that has suffered enough frictional mishandling most likely in a bank bag with sister $20 gold coins from bank to bank or to the US Treasury vaults.

    I looked at it and thought MS-62 myself.

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