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Okay, this is way off topic, but was hoping some of you hi-tech guys can help me out.

In celebration of the Colts Super Bowl trip, I think it's time I ditch the old 35" TV and treat myself to a new one. But I don't know what to get. I don't really get the difference between LCD and Plasma, what I might need to do with my cable company to be able to get HDTV channels, what products are on their way in, which are on their way out, the importance of extended warranties, etc., etc.

I'm currently eyeing a 50" plasma that I will wall mount from a Best Buy that's about $2200, but don't want to spend that kind of dough on a turd.

Anyone have any suggestions as to what I need to check out, what you have, what you like, what you wouldn't get to help me out??????? It's for the Super Bowl!!! (There, not totally off topic and somewhat sports related image)

Thanks guys

shawn

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  • TreetopTreetop Posts: 1,474
    Make sure you have a HD signal first. Nothing worse than bringing home a monster TV, and not having a HDTV signal

    I ended up getting the digital signal with TIVO, along with my HDTV stations and love it. Bought a Bose sound systems to go with the TV

    I ended up buying a 46" LCD TV, since it doesn't produce any glare.

    Once I was all hooked up, I watched/listen to my new systems for 2 weeks staright with my mouth hanging on the floor.........its was better than good!!
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  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭
    Call the cable company or the sky-beam company and
    ask about the HD status, and any pending changes.

    Sears, Circuit City, BestBuy are all safe places to buy,
    and the sales agents are informed about the products.
    All have a decent return policy, but Sears is the best
    of the three on that issue.

    Buy the extended warranty. BUT, ask the salesman if
    you can buy that policy AFTER the sale of the TV. Some
    places - sometimes - will allow you to buy the policy
    up to 1-year AFTER the original sale. If you cannot do
    this, just BUY THE POLICY at the time of sale.

    No matter how smart you think you are, DO NOT agree
    to install/set-up the new system yourself. Pay the extra
    money to have the expert do it for you. This is especially
    true with the wall-mount kits that you will buy; there are
    more horror stories about wall-mount failures than you
    can begin to imagine. If you do it yourself, and there is
    failure/damage, you are out of luck.

    IF you can find a SONY that is in your price-comfort zone,
    buy it. Buy the one with the most features. DO NOT buy
    a non-BOSE speaker system from the TV-salesman.

    Be price conscious, BUT ONLY a little bit. In general, the
    more expensive system you buy, the happier you will be
    with its performance.

    Watch the thing in the store for about an hour. Play with
    the controls, and make sure you like how they work.

    Be prepared to make lighting adjustments to the room that
    you are planning to do the installation in. Non-glare is an
    interesting concept that works best in rooms where the
    light source is artificial and professionally balanced.

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  • drewsefdrewsef Posts: 1,894 ✭✭
    I can't add much electronically to the thread, but have heard this is one of the best weeks to buy a new tv as they will be on serious sales due to the Super bowl.
  • I would shopt at Best Buy or another electronic store and then consider buying at COSTCO - they have a tremendous return program in case something does happen or go wrong along with very competitive pricing.

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  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭
    ".......and then consider buying at COSTCO - they have a tremendous
    return program in case something does happen or go wrong along
    with very competitive pricing."

    ///////////////////////

    COSTCO is a great place to buy something that does not
    require installation help. Also, COSTCO is great if you can
    hire installation help from a third-party. Their return policy
    is the most liberal. They also, of course, sell the extended
    warranty.

    The advantage of the specialty spots is that there is some
    level of after-sale service, AND they line up the installation
    guys for you. Saving a couple-hundred (or more) should
    probably not be the prime consideration in selecting a
    vendor.


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  • Brian48Brian48 Posts: 2,624 ✭✭✭
    I went through this a few months ago. A few things to consider:

    1. If it's a wall-mount, I'd opt for a LCD instead due to the weight differences. LCDs are far, far lighter than plasmas.

    2. Consider the intended room. If it's in the living room and you have a lot of Windows with outside light, the LCD will have less glare. In an enclosed family room, where glare is not an issue, the plasma might be a better option as you may notice the slightly better picture quality and color (although LCDs are pretty close).

    3. Heat. Plasma run way hotter than LCDs. Might not be an issue for you, but I don't sure as hell don't like it.

    4. HDMI inputs, regardless of the which you pick, get a model with with more than one HDMI input. That way, you can run your standard DVDs with 1080I upconversion if you have a DVD player that supports this. You'll need it anyway if you plan on buying a DVD player supporting either Blu-Ray or HD-DVD in the future, although I'd wait until the dust clears between the two warring formats before settling on one over the other.

    5. Built-in tuner versus Cable-box. If you intend on using the HD cable box that your cable company is going to provide, I'd save a few bucks and get a LCD/plasma without the built-in tuner. The built-in tuner allows you to do away with the cable box, but there are limitations and caveats 'cause the tuner may not be completely compatible with the way your cable company broadcases HD feeds.
  • BigRedMachineBigRedMachine Posts: 2,563 ✭✭✭
    Thanks for the advice guys. I'm totally lost when it comes to this stuff.

    I just called my cable company, and it turns out I would have an additional $15.00 per month charge to my cable/internet bill to get HD. I guess it doesn't do you any good to upgrade to a fancy t.v. without it?? So they said I would need a digital cable box.

    I was planning on going with a plasma wall mount and now really don't know what I want. I actually have installed a wall mount before for a customer I built a house for, and after two years, it hasn't fallen off the wall yet.image

    Anyone know the expected life spans of these tv's??

    Best Buy has a current buy now, no interest until 2010 image deal going on. I'm not sure I can pass that up. The great American way.......buy on credit!
  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭
    I have not read this entire thread, so if I'm repeating someone, I apologize in advance.

    Prices for TVs are plummetting and will only go lower. I came this | | close to buying a flatscreen last year until I read a couple of articles about it.

    Look for TVs (flat screen, plasma, etc) to be 1/2 of what they were last year.

    Edited to add link

    Falling prices

    Prices for flat-screen, digital, HD-ready TVs have declined by roughly 40 percent over the past year and could fall another 30 percent in 2007, Pratt said. A primary cause for the decline is a decision by manufacturers to seek market share over profit margins, Pratt and Baldwin said.

    Consumer Reports places the average price drop for flat-screen TVs over the past two years at about 50 percent. It provides these averages, citing DisplaySearch as its source:

    • $1,360, down from $2,350, for a 37-inch LCD (liquid crystal display) set.

    • $1,880, down from $2,610, for a 42-inch plasma TV.

    Pratt has little doubt that the digital sets will soon reach comparable price with the non-digital. At that point, HD-ready TV becomes a fairly obvious choice, she said.
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  • LCD's will give you the best bang for your buck.

    Plasma loses it's intensity over the years also if a LCD goes bad you can usually change
    out the bulb in them for a reasonable price.

    Move along folks.......Nothing to see here.
  • Stone193Stone193 Posts: 24,438 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Only one point - and this is my opinion.

    I like plasma better for one reason - if ya sitting right in front of an LCD screen - it looks great - but if ya sitting oblique to the screen, it looks washed out.

    Ya don't get that with a plasma screen.

    mike
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  • royalbrettroyalbrett Posts: 620 ✭✭✭
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  • you can't go wrong with plasma or LCD. Plasma will be cheaper. Another option is DLP. I have a 71" DLP and a 50" plasma. Got them both at Magnolia (Best Buy). Someone on this thread suggested making sure you had HDMI inputs. This is crucial especially if you are going to hook up an Xbox 360, Blue Ray or Playstation 3. You also need Digital Cable to get digital signals; my provider is Comcast and for a few extra bucks you can add DVR in your digital box. It is very convenient and easy to use....just like TIVO. I had Magnolia do the install because I had speakers mounted inside and outside and it is not trivial. Also, a 71" TV ain't exactly light. Did I say HDMI is crucial? I just wanted to make sure you ask for this and more than one HDMI input. And, 1080p for the resolution is mandatory. Don't buy a TV without HDMI or 1080p, particularly if you are a resolution freak and/or play the high end video console systems.

    Plasma is reputed to be best for watching sports. DLP has a great picture and it is a great value relative to the other options. LCD is top of the line and usually more expensive by the inch if you get any TV over 50". Under 50", plasma and LCD are very close. Both plasma and LCD would be considerable more expensive than DLP. Keep in mind too that for a TV 50" or bigger, assuming you get 1080p which is a must, the plasma's and DLPs have more choices and are far cheaper. It is very expensive to get an LCD 50" or larger that has 1080p resolution. But, they're catching up.

    Mounting is a big issue. You really need to figure out where you will mount the puppy. If you can use a floor stand, then you don't need professional installation help. If you need to mount it, then get help. If you don't need speakers or a sound system, then you could easily set this up yourself. If you add 5.1 or higher, then you'll need a receiver and the installation gets more complicated if you have DVD players, Satellite Radio, Ipod's etc. to attach to your receiver.

    Best Buy (i.e. Magnolia) and Costco are great choices. Costco is a cash and carry store so you need to do everything yourself including transporting the unit home. And, they don't always have the top of the line models for the respective name brands. They also carry some Taiwanese brands which are in some cases the same as the name brands. The screens are all built by the same companies in Korea, Japan and Taiwan for the most part. But, if you want something that is relatively inexpensive and you don't need installation help, definitely check out Costco.
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  • And to think that I have a 29" TV with rabbit ears....



    I have heard that you can get HDTV over the "air" for the local channels and that it is better than cable because it does not have to be compressed.. On buying a TV, it is always cheaper to buy after an important TV event, ie Super Bowl, because most people want a new tv for the game. So to get the most for your money wait a month then buy..
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  • Brian48Brian48 Posts: 2,624 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Only one point - and this is my opinion.

    I like plasma better for one reason - if ya sitting right in front of an LCD screen - it looks great - but if ya sitting oblique to the screen, it looks washed out.

    Ya don't get that with a plasma screen.

    mike >>



    This is true for older LCDs, but the newer ones are MUCH, MUCH better. Specifically from Sony and Westinghouse, but the other ones may have caught up already. Best thing to do is to view the display model at an angle to see if the image quality is acceptable to you. I've found that the glare on the plasmas is far more distracting than the fade on the LCDs.
  • BigRedMachineBigRedMachine Posts: 2,563 ✭✭✭
    Okay guys, thanks again for all your help (as usual)

    I'm trying to talk myself out of spending the dough, but with the Colts playing in the Super Bowl for the first time in my lifetime, and more importantly an okay from the wife, it's not looking good.

    I'll let you know how it turns out.

    shawn
  • Brian48Brian48 Posts: 2,624 ✭✭✭
    Just do what I did. Don't tell the wife. Buy the biggest LCD/Plasma you can afford, mount it on top of your fireplace, and let her find out herself as soon as she gets home. Yes, you'll be in dog house for a little while, but it's well worth it. It's a MAN thing, she'll never understand anyway.

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  • Cravetopps is correct in his recommending of DLP. For the money it's the best you can get. You won't be able to tell the difference between a 50" LCD and a 50" DLP(except in your checkbook).
  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Okay guys, thanks again for all your help (as usual)

    I'm trying to talk myself out of spending the dough, but with the Colts playing in the Super Bowl for the first time in my lifetime, and more importantly an okay from the wife, it's not looking good.

    I'll let you know how it turns out.

    shawn >>



    IMO, save the money today and use it around X-Mas time. You can then spend the leftover cash on a '55 TAA image

    It's your call and whatever you decide to do, good luck image
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  • BigRedMachineBigRedMachine Posts: 2,563 ✭✭✭
    Extra money Stown???? Then I'd have more sniping firepower!! image Hey, nice Graham on the other thread!!!


    I'm studying away on this $hit, and I've got one more question....

    It doesn't seem like I can get a wall mount TV in 1080i in my price range.

    All the wallmounts in the $2000-$2500 range come in 720, or I can get a non wall mount at 1080. It seems most stuff is broadcast in 720 anyway, how important is the 1080???

    All the other stuff you guys mentioned (HDMI, getting HD receiver, etc.) are good.

  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭
    I had a conversation with a tech geek when I was looking at TVs. From what I recall, he said something along the lines of today you can't tell a difference but in a year or two. you will. Don't know if a device is coming out or the minimum requirements for broadcasts, but it's something.
    So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
  • mealewormmealeworm Posts: 1,271 ✭✭✭
    without a doubt DLP. You can get alot of TV for a good price. The picture is unreal in HD. 65" sony is calling your name...
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  • SidePocketSidePocket Posts: 2,901 ✭✭✭
    Do not save a few bucks with 720i - that's EDTV not HDTV!

    You may want to save some bucks with 1080i rather than 1080p. 1080i is SO STUNNING that 1080p (which isn't used yet) can't be that much better.

    I wouldn't go wall mount - you still need a rack for your other equipment.

    My preference - LCD. Buy a stand you like (hopefully one that matches the TV) and spend the money you saved on 1080i to buy your sound system and a PS3.

    If you buy an extended warranty be sure to see if they'll negotiate on the price. Best Buy may not but most other electronics stores will.

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