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mine are "rainbow toner," "monster toned" or "beautifully toned"
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    Cam40Cam40 Posts: 8,146
    bu

    pq for the grade

    adjustment marks

    under-graded

    uncirculated




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    DHeathDHeath Posts: 8,472 ✭✭✭
    Rare.
    Developing theory is what we are meant to do as academic researchers
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    JulioJulio Posts: 2,501
    "Please hold for our next availiable customer service represenative. Your call is important to us." jws

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    MilesWaitsMilesWaits Posts: 5,571 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The assumption that being used, missused, or missed can "make me angry" although PQ can make me blind.

    Miles
    Now riding the swell in PM's and surf.
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    123cents123cents Posts: 7,178 ✭✭✭
    When someone says " it will probably grade" MS-63,64,65 or whatever when the coin is not even uncirculated.
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    "original"
    "Everyday above ground is a good day"

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    DUIGUYDUIGUY Posts: 7,252 ✭✭✭
    <adjustment marks>


    image One of my all time favorites ! Something found in your briefs ? image
    “A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly."



    - Marcus Tullius Cicero, 106-43 BC
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    lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 45,184 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Coin.

    Calling anything that's round and metallic a coin. The TV people are really bad about this. C'mon, folks, if it ain't government-issue legal tender from some country at some particular time, then it ain't a coin!

    It might be pretty, it might be collectible, and it might contain precious metal or be valuable for some other reason. But it's a token or a medal or medallion or something else. Don't call it a coin if it isn't!

    Collector since 1976. On the CU forums here since 2001.

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    BlindedByEgoBlindedByEgo Posts: 10,754 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Any obviously unwarranted superlative used to mislead the unwary or uneducated.
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    LincolnCentManLincolnCentMan Posts: 5,347 ✭✭✭✭
    Mine:

    Rainbow
    PQ
    Origional
    Atractive
    Rare

    David
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    Aegis3Aegis3 Posts: 2,940 ✭✭✭
    Counterbrockage
    --

    Ed. S.

    (EJS)
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    Aegis3Aegis3 Posts: 2,940 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Coin.

    Calling anything that's round and metallic a coin. The TV people are really bad about this. C'mon, folks, if it ain't government-issue legal tender from some country at some particular time, then it ain't a coin! >>



    What about territorial gold? (Not counting Humbert, USAOG, or Kohler of course)
    (There probably is some socio-linguistic point I I thinking about here.)
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    Ed. S.

    (EJS)
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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,615 ✭✭✭✭✭
    PQ, choice, etc

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
    "Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire

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    prooflikeprooflike Posts: 3,879 ✭✭
    MS67? could be valued at a bazillion dollars in PCGS price guide

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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,615 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Penny when refering to the cent. I can understand when the general public does this but a coin collector should know better.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
    "Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire

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    lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 45,184 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>What about territorial gold? (Not counting Humbert, USAOG, or Kohler of course)
    (There probably is some socio-linguistic point I I thinking about here.) >>

    Good point. I suppose these could be "coins" since they do have a denomination on them, and they did circulate as legal tender for a time, even if they weren't government-issue.

    Mostly it's the NASCAR "coins" or Super Bowl "coins" or the "Hey, I have a coin you should see- it has the World Trade Center on it" that I get tired of.

    Not that there's anything wrong with NASCAR or Super Bowl or WTC medals/token/thingies if that floats your boat. But quit callin' 'em coins.



    As to the "penny" versus "cent" nomenclature, I find myself lapsing into that one sometimes, it is so widespread.

    Collector since 1976. On the CU forums here since 2001.

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    joefrojoefro Posts: 1,872 ✭✭
    First Strike
    Lincoln Cent & Libertad Collector
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    "coin industry".
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    OuthaulOuthaul Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Estate
    PQ
    High-end PQ
    NEWPS
    AU/Unc...Well, which is it?
    Rare
    Original skin
    Monster ANYTHING
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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,615 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Colonial---When used to describe coins produced after July 4, 1776.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
    "Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire

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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,615 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Modern crap, widget, wannabe image

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
    "Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire

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    ColonialCoinUnionColonialCoinUnion Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭
    'Proof-like' when used to describe the surfaces of a colonial coin that is XF / AU.

    You'd be amazed how often we hear this.
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    When dealers try to embellish the description of every coin in their inventory. All of these came from one dealers website, and there were plenty more:
    VERY HIGH END!

    VERY RARE+ORIGINAL!

    A GLITTERING GEM!

    SUPERB

    SUPERB PLUS!

    ALMOST A FULL GEM!

    ORIGINAL+PRETTY!

    SUPERIOR QUALITY!

    SENSATIONAL!
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    messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,793 ✭✭✭✭✭
    +, ++, +++, "Shot-<insert number here>"
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    morgansforevermorgansforever Posts: 8,510 ✭✭✭✭✭
    SGS coins in a 70 holder, and a PCGS price guide quote, drives me nuts.image
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    Terms used incorrectly - I'm with PerryHall - penny for cents drives me crazy.

    Some terms although used correctly get me to the same place - Good 5, Fine 19, Very Fine 39, etc..

    To top things off I even saw an MS59!
    Spare your best friend's life!! Adopt an adult dog at your local "kill" animal shelter. You will be changed.
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    ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 13,277 ✭✭✭✭✭
    "Fractional Gold" used to describe 5, 10, and 25 dollar bullion coins.
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    RegistryCoinRegistryCoin Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭✭
    I don't know about "makes me angry" but any comment followed by "for the grade" makes me wonder. image
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    << <i>Penny when refering to the cent. I can understand when the general public does this but a coin collector should know better. >>



    I have always called them a cent with one exception. Even to this day for some odd reason, it's a "wheat penny" to me.

    Rob

    I believe most coins considered uncirculated were in circulation at some point in time.
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    foodudefoodude Posts: 3,591 ✭✭✭
    Except where appropriate...

    Unique
    Rainbow toned
    Monster toned
    Lock <insert next highest grade, or moreimage>- almost never appropriate when it comes from a seller
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    seanqseanq Posts: 8,826 ✭✭✭✭✭
    "Doubled die". It grates on me when people use "double die" instead, especially since most people who misuse the phrase aren't selling real "doubled dies" at all.


    Sean Reynolds
    Incomplete planchets wanted, especially Lincoln Cents & type coins.

    "Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
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    FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 6,033 ✭✭✭✭✭
    "Found in an Original Bag"

    "Found in an Original BU Roll"



    I get that all day long from the public that calls
    or emails with their error coins that have been
    hit with a hammer, acid treated, pressed, cut,
    ....you name it.......They found it in a "BU something"
    Retired Collector & Dealer in Major Mint Error Coins & Currency since the 1960's.Co-Author of Whitman's "100 Greatest U.S. Mint Error Coins", and the Error Coin Encyclopedia, Vols., III & IV. Retired Authenticator for Major Mint Errors for PCGS. A 50+ Year PNG Member.A full-time numismatist since 1972, retired in 2022.
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    To me, it's all of the Pedigree terms. The TV shows are particularly bad about this. A very few of these are pretty cool where there is a real story, like SS Republic, or if you had a coin known to be owned by Teddy Roosevelt, but come on, Jack Binion? Omaha Bank? Missouri Hoard? Reno Hoard? Who really cares? The coin is the coin. I'd pay a fair price for a nice coin, but with VERY few exceptions, I wouldn't pay a premium for knowing the name of a previous owner.

    I joke about this '99 SBA I got in change from the Post Office vending Machine. It looked all right, so I sent it in along with some Modern stiff, and it came back PCGS MS65 -- now I proudly refer to that coin as being from the "Postal Service" hoard. =)

    I guess the "First Strike", "Early Release", et. al. is the ultimate silliness in this progression. I can't find anyone who actually cares, except that they beleive they can find someone else who cares. It's grade-A tulips!

    Cheers!

    Rex
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    "Unsearched"

    Rex
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    UNC....it always sounds like the person is about to vomit when the say it...


    Dimple...it's DEEP MIRROR PROOF LIKE!


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    CladiatorCladiator Posts: 18,347 ✭✭✭✭✭
    L@@K
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    CoxeCoxe Posts: 11,139
    die break -- when all you have is a die crack
    double die -- for strike doubling
    finest known -- when applied by a seller whose assessment is strictly limitied to the PCGS population report
    coin doctor -- labeling a PVC dipper with this three strikes charge as if he deceptively applied a fake mint mark
    semiprooflike -- if you can get a luster flare at a select angle
    original red -- attributed to early copper coins that could not have survived without some toning brown to the present day without cleaning and lacquering
    die gouge -- used for a simple die scratc or die polish line
    die polish lines -- used for cleaning marks on the coin
    cabinet friction -- for market acceptable cleaning of a rare coin
    cherrypick -- when bought fully attributed
    ripped -- when you really bought the coin at a fair asking price as represented
    restrike -- I HATE THIS ONE when it is applied to counterfeits created in the 19th century for collectors by folks like Joseph Mickley
    investment quality -- way overapplied

    Could also split hairs on penny and Colonial as well as the misnamed Mercury dime and Buffalo nickel.

    Select Rarities -- DMPLs and VAMs
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    graded bullion gold silv. plat in ms70 pr70 PQ first strike
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    pharmerpharmer Posts: 8,355
    potty (dollar)
    bust
    pos
    skin
    and the worst, whiz. Can't we just leave body functions and parts out of this?
    Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

    Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."

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    mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 7,159 ✭✭✭✭✭
    pedigree-"This coin was once owned by (name here)" ....And I'm one of the finer examples in a long line of mutts...

    material-"I couldn't find enough material I could buy at the last show"...Please, just say "coins"...
    Disclaimer: "Material" allowed if user of term is a Pillsbury Doughboy wannabe.

    penny-"Penny collecting is for kids"...Really?I guess I better grow up and start smelling the coffee.

    rare-"I only have a hundred of these rarities in stock"...Okay. I want to see all of 'em. I'm very picky, you know.

    snagged-"I snagged this one at the bottom of the (put name of river here)"...I once snagged a 10 pound channel cat at that very place.

    specimen-"This specimen is sure to please the fussiest collector."...I see what you mean. I really do like the pea green toning on this specimen.

    Big Kahuna Disclaimer: No offense intended to anyone here who uses, or has used, the words discussed above. We are all on different learning curves.

    "Big Kahuna"... I kind of like it...

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    This quote reminds us that change is inevitable, often necessary, and can be a catalyst for growth. Adapt. Self-reflect. Be proactive.

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    mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 7,159 ✭✭✭✭✭
    No anger here. Just alot of understanding.image

    “The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.” – William Arthur Ward
    This quote reminds us that change is inevitable, often necessary, and can be a catalyst for growth. Adapt. Self-reflect. Be proactive.

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    RWBRWB Posts: 8,082
    "Business strike" and "Roman proof"
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    keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    the member that keeps calling Legend Numismatics Legends.........................
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    66RB66RB Posts: 2,516 ✭✭✭
    "registry quality" --It makes me think that the coin must be an absolute dog, and need not be considered at all for the label is all you need for your registry set.

    "Sour grapes" --recently I've been seeing this on this board a lot. Quite misused in the context I see it being used in.
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    JJMJJM Posts: 8,129 ✭✭✭✭✭
    widget

    and a ebay seller who has 15 PCGS slabs, and in the titles says they are all undergraded

    PQ
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    REALGATORREALGATOR Posts: 2,698 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Proof CONDITION
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    Tribute Proof

    As in:

    1884 S Morgan Dollar Tribute Proof

    "Amazingly only 880 proofs from 1884 are known to exist today. Making each
    extremely valuable!"

    Only $9.95.


    "All that is gold does not glitter..."
    -JRR Tolkien
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    OKbustchaserOKbustchaser Posts: 5,570 ✭✭✭✭✭
    coin when applied to bullion rounds--whether legal tender or not, whether spendable or not--if not produced for the purpose of everyday commerce they are not coins. Yes, including proofs; including commemeratives, including restrikes to order...if the object was minted solely for the purpose of creating a collectable IT IS NOT A COIN!image
    Just because I'm old doesn't mean I don't love to look at a pretty bust.
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    << <i>First Strike >>


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    JoeLewisJoeLewis Posts: 1,913 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Tribute Proof

    As in:

    1884 S Morgan Dollar Tribute Proof

    "Amazingly only 880 proofs from 1884 are known to exist today. Making each
    extremely valuable!"

    Only $9.95. >>



    Man, that's a steal. You should feel lucky you found that eBay auction before anyone else did!

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