Coughlin gets 1 year extension....

ToppsCo1lector

You know, as a Giant fan this is my only problem with them. Loyalty. I know what your thinking, why's that a bad thing? It's bad when you keep a dunce of a coach like this NOT only on to finish the remainder of his contract but actually extend it! Coughlin was a staff member under Bill Parcells 1986 NY Giants team that won the Super Bowl. Jim Fassel was kept on, but you know what he actually moved the organization in the right direction. Coughlin overworks and underutilizes his BEST weapons. 9 games out of 10 the very best drive the Giants have in a game is their very first possession. Yes, injuries capsized this season(not player frustration, all the banter in the media) as the Giants lost key starters for the season(Toomer, Arrington, Strahan, Petitgout). The only thing I can think, is that the organization is in sortof a bit of limbo with GM Accorsi retiring, Tiki retiring, and everyone dissapointed in how the season progressed. I think the frontrunner for GM has to be Chris Mara(Brother of John Mara the President and son of Wellington); he's already the VP of player evaulation and the Giants are always content with in-house answers. I'm pissed, but eh it actually wasn't THAT suprising. Most likely, the organization didn't want it to seem to the players like THEY themselves forced out the regime. Creating a, "Raider"like atmosphere. Far from that, I might add since the Giants are a class organization. Anyway, this was my rant.

perkdog

Is Coughlin really the focal point of the Giants not being succesfull? Other than Barber they really dont have anyone that is a playmaker on offense, Arrington being signed was a huge waste of money as he cannot play a full season, I think the play of Manning is inconsistent. Coughlin might be getting too much of the blame.

ToppsCo1lector

There offense lost the starting left tackle, after then did the offense basically fall apart. Losing Petitgout along with their HORRIBLE offensive scheme, add to the fact they lost Amani Toomer who was basically MR. Firstdown; the passing game fell into shambles. Arrington is/was a good signing, I live not but 10 minutes from FedEx field and he was basically pushed out of the organization(funny, his last season there he was the main cog for the late year run to get them in the playoffs). Yes, he's not the healthiest of players but when healthy he is one of the best. It might not always show up in the numbers, until that is the overall defense is looked at. It's just he doesn't get thrown to outside the first drive and the last 5 minutes of the game. Coughlin isn't THAT good of a coach(He's a GOOD coach, but he doesn't coach champs). The Giants have made some errors these past years, first believing that Sean Payton was part of the problem with the Fassel regime and instead of getting rid of Jim Fassel allowing both Sean Payton and John Fox to become successful elseware. Similarly, Jim Hufnagel as it seems is being deemed one of the scapegoats for this pastseasons shortcomings. The Giants offense, when healthy are a very tough offense to beat. They ended up 8th overall in Offense in the NFC, a drop from 4th overall in the NFL in 2005. The difference, a lot of injuries(before the injuries, albeit during the toughest part of the NYGs schedule, they were a top ranked team in offense during the first half of the 2006 season).

softparade

<< <i>Is Coughlin really the focal point of the Giants not being succesfull? Other than Barber they really dont have anyone that is a playmaker on offense, Arrington being signed was a huge waste of money as he cannot play a full season, I think the play of Manning is inconsistent. Coughlin might be getting too much of the blame. >>



You are kidding right? I mean .... I don't care how much you might hate Plaxico Burress but he is definately a playmaker. All you have to do is throw the ball up to him and he can make a play. Tremendous height advantage to almost every cornerback in the league and he uses that with success. Go ahead and point out the fact that he shows too much negative body language on the field which is the most common knock on him ..... that does not mean you can ignore his talent and playmaking ability. Also, you can hate Shockey to till the cows come home. The fact is he is a playmaker also. The defense has to play differently when he is in the game. Losing Toomer was devestating ......

Tom Coughlin as been a very POOR coach with the Giants. He PROMISED to rid the Giants of the injury "cancer" as he put it when hired. What has happened? More injuries then under Jim Fassell. He has PROMISED to teach disipline. What happened? More personal foul calls by a HUGE margin then any team in the division. Poor coaching, poor coaching, and some more poor coaching.

stevek

Bad decision for the Giants means good decision for the Eagles. HA!

lawnmowerman

<< <i>Bad decision for the Giants means good decision for the Eagles. HA! >>



I was thinking the same thing but for the Cowboys

softparade

<< <i>Bad decision for the Giants means good decision for the Eagles. HA! >>



Nice jab! Now I can't wait for the Saints to WRECK the Eagles this weekend

joestalin

Tom is a proven winner, he even got his team into the playoffs, when they all but died on him! Ive never seen more sissies on one
team than what the Giants have. Tom won't stand for this. Actually the one BAD move I thought Tom made was not canning Shockey's
*** for those IDOTIC statments he made half way through the season. Lets review:

Plexiglass..ok, he had a good yera FINALLY!
Tiki...Announced his retirement and then retired!
Eli...An AWFUL Year.
Shockey...Did NOT back up his smack talk on the field!
Arrington....BIG waste of money

How you can you blame the coach on that? His players sucked and limped into the playoffs, and even though they were dead in the water
they almost found a way to beat Philly at their place.

A good move for the Giants!

JS

1420sports

I thought he was a stone cold lock to be fired. He could very well be the most incorrect coach for Manning.

stevek

<<< A good move for the Giants! >>>

When Stalin thinks it's "a good move" now you know it's a bad move.

stevek

<< <i>I thought he was a stone cold lock to be fired. He could very well be the most incorrect coach for Manning. >>




Yes, I thought there was a good chance he'd be fired and a major reason would be as you stated for Eli Manning.

ToppsCo1lector

<< <i>Tom is a proven winner, he even got his team into the playoffs, when they all but died on him! Ive never seen more sissies on one
team than what the Giants have. Tom won't stand for this. Actually the one BAD move I thought Tom made was not canning Shockey's
*** for those IDOTIC statments he made half way through the season. Lets review:

Plexiglass..ok, he had a good yera FINALLY!
Tiki...Announced his retirement and then retired!
Eli...An AWFUL Year.
Shockey...Did NOT back up his smack talk on the field!
Arrington....BIG waste of money

How you can you blame the coach on that? His players sucked and limped into the playoffs, and even though they were dead in the water
they almost found a way to beat Philly at their place.

A good move for the Giants!

JS >>



Career 89-80 as a coach. Only championship he ever won was as a staff member under Bill Parcells.

joestalin

oh now we are asking for championships????? LOL Cmon, now, how many years did he take the Jags to the playoffs? Didn't he take
an expansion team to the championship game in their first season??? More than what the tuna has done recently!

Its easy to ingore the fact that your heroes suck. Own up to it. The Giants QUIT.

JS

stown

<< <i>Its easy to ingore the fact that your heroes suck. Own up to it. The Giants QUIT. >>



Unlike your Sucks who lost 6 of their last 8.

ToppsCo1lector

<< <i>oh now we are asking for championships????? LOL Cmon, now, how many years did he take the Jags to the playoffs? Didn't he take
an expansion team to the championship game in their first season??? More than what the tuna has done recently!

Its easy to ingore the fact that your heroes suck. Own up to it. The Giants QUIT.

JS >>



This from the guy who talked up Cadillac Williams? The Giants didn't quit, they had the toughest schedule in the NFL of all the playoff teams, and had a preseason ranking tied with the Bengals as the toughest schedule for 2006. Yet, even with losing 5 starters to the injured reserve they STILL made the playoffs. With the IMMENSE talent on the Jags, any other coach would've had them playing for a Super Bowl, not for a AFC championship(which they lost by the way). 89-80? That's a PROVEN WINNER TO YOU? No wonder your a fan of the Bucs, you're happy with .500 ball.

perkdog

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<< <i>Is Coughlin really the focal point of the Giants not being succesfull? Other than Barber they really dont have anyone that is a playmaker on offense, Arrington being signed was a huge waste of money as he cannot play a full season, I think the play of Manning is inconsistent. Coughlin might be getting too much of the blame. >>



You are kidding right? I mean .... I don't care how much you might hate Plaxico Burress but he is definately a playmaker. All you have to do is throw the ball up to him and he can make a play. Tremendous height advantage to almost every cornerback in the league and he uses that with success. Go ahead and point out the fact that he shows too much negative body language on the field which is the most common knock on him ..... that does not mean you can ignore his talent and playmaking ability. Also, you can hate Shockey to till the cows come home. The fact is he is a playmaker also. The defense has to play differently when he is in the game. Losing Toomer was devestating ......

Tom Coughlin as been a very POOR coach with the Giants. He PROMISED to rid the Giants of the injury "cancer" as he put it when hired. What has happened? More injuries then under Jim Fassell. He has PROMISED to teach disipline. What happened? More personal foul calls by a HUGE margin then any team in the division. Poor coaching, poor coaching, and some more poor coaching. >>





No actually Im NOT kidding. Burress is a good receiver, I never said he was bad. Shockey is a great TE as well. I dont follow the Giants obviously but I do follow Football and IMO I think their Offense is a bit slow, Toomer is another good receiver but what I meen about Playmakers is big name players like a Owens, Johnson ect.. ect.. Manning at QB is not very good and makes a lot of mistakes that are not Coughlins fault IMO. You know the Giants better than me but I think Coughlin is a decent Coach. Players play the game not the Coach, personal fouls is on the player not the Coach, everyone knows Coughlin is strict so I dont think discipline is the issue.

IrishMike

Why did he get extended, I thought he was eligible for early release.

softparade

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No actually Im NOT kidding. Burress is a good receiver, I never said he was bad. Shockey is a great TE as well. I dont follow the Giants obviously but I do follow Football and IMO I think their Offense is a bit slow, Toomer is another good receiver but what I meen about Playmakers is big name players like a Owens, Johnson ect.. ect.. Manning at QB is not very good and makes a lot of mistakes that are not Coughlins fault IMO. You know the Giants better than me but I think Coughlin is a decent Coach. Players play the game not the Coach, personal fouls is on the player not the Coach, everyone knows Coughlin is strict so I dont think discipline is the issue. >>



I don't doubt you follow football perk ..... but you definately don't know the Giants. Coughlin has been anything but strict with this team for three years. Why so many hold on to this rep he got YEARS ago in Jacksonville I don't know. Also, you certainly don't need top flight playmakers to make an offense. Just ask your Patriots or even the Eagles. The Giants have plenty of real talent on offense.

I don't dis-like Coughlin, I just want to see the good coach in him. Has not happened yet. Good coaching does NOT let a 6-2 team fall to 8-8 with all of that talent and the poor conference play of other teams this year. The Giants are one of the worst disiplined team in football at this time. ENDLESS false starts and personal fouls have killed them the entire time Coughlin has been here.

softparade

<< <i> Its easy to ingore the fact that your heroes suck. Own up to it. The Giants QUIT.

JS >>



nah, that is pure crap. The Giants played hard in every game this season maybe minus the Saints game. What did them in all season were very untimely bad penalties, a defense that does not know how to play with a lead combined with a poor pash rush, and very shaky play from the QB.

ToppsCo1lector

<< <i>Why did he get extended, I thought he was eligible for early release. >>



The current GM is retiring, so they didn't want to have their team(coaches, assistants, and players) in limbo if they took a while in hiring a new GM. Basically, his deal was extended so when the new GM is hired said GM will be able to decide who he'll bring in as coach.


Perkdog-The thing about false start type penalties(precedurial penalties that is); is that those fall under coaching faults. Yes, the players commit them but Coughlin is suppossed to be a disicplinarian. Where the hell is it???!! Like I said, most times the Giants best/most efficient drives are there first of the game. Then, the playcalling changes and it's in a funk until about 4-7 minutes left in the fourth quarter. The Giants have more than enough weapons to score enough to win. They had the 4th overall offense(#1 scoring offense I believe) last season. Injuries account for some problems.

grote15

Didn't he take
an expansion team to the championship game in their first season??

No, the Jags were 4-12 his first season (just like the Bucs). They made it to the AFC Championship game (and lost to the Pats) in his second season, but the expansion Panthers also made the NFC Championship game in only their second season that same year, so what Coughlin did that season was duplicated by the other expansion team. Since that era, he's been a below average coach and under his stewardship the Giants have had more injuries to key players and committed more dumb penalties than they ever did under Jim Fassel or Dan Reeves.

My guess is that the Giants may be biding their time till 2008 when they may be able to woo Cowher with a multu-year deal. The crop of coaching candidates this off season isn't exactly overwhelming so maybe there's a method to the madness is all I'm saying.

perkdog

Softy, Topps, Grote, ect.. I see your points, again I dont know the insides of the Giants as you guys do and will not say you are wrong by any stretch. I was just pointing out that Coughlin might not be the ENTIRE problem, but in any franchise that is not succesfull to expectations it starts and ussually ends with the Head Coach. I know people were down on Manning early on and the Giants did have a rash of injuries to key players but still managed to make the playoffs, that being said is my point about not ALL the blame should fall on Coughlin. At any rate good luck with your team next Season.