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Looking ahead, Hall of Fame 2008

digicatdigicat Posts: 8,551 ✭✭
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The only new candidate that's likely to get some attention is Tim Raines. Dunston, Fryman, Justice, Morgan, and Velarde are likly gonna be part of the "one and done" club.

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Shawon Dunston
Travis Fryman
David Justice
Mike Morgan
Tim Raines
Randy Velarde

Hold Overs
Rich Gossage
Jim Rice
Andre Dawson
Bert Blyleven
Lee Smith
Jack Morris
Mark McGwire
Tommy John
Dave Concepcion (15th ballot)
Alan Trammell
Dave Parker
Don Mattingly
Dale Murphy
Harold Baines
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  • tennesseebankertennesseebanker Posts: 5,433 ✭✭✭
    Put Concepcion in already !
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  • onefasttalononefasttalon Posts: 1,207 ✭✭✭
    Wow... that's a sorry-ass class. Raines was a good player, but I have to think he's a stretch. Looks like a good year for the carry-overs.

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  • softparadesoftparade Posts: 9,281 ✭✭✭✭✭
    2008 will be the year if any that Jim Rice finally gets in. Maybe Gossage too ... I don't see any of next years new crop getting in .... ever.

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  • blindflyerblindflyer Posts: 758
    Goose will likely get in for sure.

    My guess is Goose and Rice for '08

    weak year, really.

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    PS How many ballots can Concepcion be on before he's officially off?
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  • ajwajw Posts: 2,281 ✭✭✭
    Tim Raines *absolutely* deserves to get in.
  • RonBurgundyRonBurgundy Posts: 5,491 ✭✭✭
    Give me these boys in 2008:


    Rich Gossage
    Andre Dawson
    Bert Blyleven
    Jack Morris
    Tommy John
    Dave Concepcion (15th ballot)
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  • kcballboykcballboy Posts: 1,405 ✭✭✭
    You get 15 years Blind. Next year will be his last of eligibility.
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  • softparadesoftparade Posts: 9,281 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Give me these boys in 2008:


    Rich Gossage
    Andre Dawson
    Bert Blyleven
    Jack Morris
    Tommy John
    Dave Concepcion (15th ballot) >>



    My hat goes off for Morris too ..... so

    Jim Rice
    Rich Gossage
    Jack Morris (rooting for him)

    That would be who I think really deserve it.

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  • ArnyVeeArnyVee Posts: 4,245 ✭✭


    << <i>Tim Raines *absolutely* deserves to get in. >>



    I agree....he ranks much higher than all of the names on the list of carryovers aside from Bert Blyleven. I say that Blyleven, Trammell & Raines deserve it based on 'the numbers' and what they meant to their teams.

    WARP Rating Comparison
    Tim Raines 131.8

    Goose Gossage 89.5
    Jim Rice 89.2
    Andre Dawson 109.5
    Bert Blyleven 142
    Lee Smith 82.2
    Jack Morris 89.8
    Mark McGwire 109.5
    Tommy John 108.7
    Dave Concepcion 109.7
    Alan Trammell 123.3
    Dave Parker 86.3
    Don Mattingly 89.1
    Dale Murphy 91.6
    Harold Baines 102.4
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  • larryallen73larryallen73 Posts: 6,067 ✭✭✭
    Rice and Gossage in '08.
  • shagrotn77shagrotn77 Posts: 5,616 ✭✭✭✭
    Rice and Gossage in '08. Henderson, Dawson and Blyleven in '09. Raines was a very good ballplayer, but not a Hall of Famer, and certainly not a first ballot guy. Aside from the steals, there are no other eye-popping stats.
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  • RedHeart54RedHeart54 Posts: 2,282 ✭✭✭
    Rickey in '09. Do we have absolute confirmation that he has retired ONCE AND FOR ALL?
  • digicatdigicat Posts: 8,551 ✭✭


    << <i>Rickey in '09. Do we have absolute confirmation that he has retired ONCE AND FOR ALL? >>



    He's working as a base running coach for the Mets in 2006. Ironicly enough, Julio Franco (47 years old as well) played in 95 games for the Mets in 2006. I wonder how Henderson fealt about that.
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  • beantownboybeantownboy Posts: 59
    Big mac in 2008
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,756 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Goose and Blyleven deserve to get in. I'm inclined to think that Rice & Dawson have their best shot to get in, too. Goose should get in for sure, much like Sutter got in on the weak ballot last year. Rice will probably get in, too. The Sox have been doing a good job advocating for him lately, and there's bound to be a renewed appreciation for sluggers who didn't shoot the juice.


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  • onlyanumberonlyanumber Posts: 2,433
    With such a weak class, don't be surprised if Dave Justice makes it past next year.
    Next MONTH? So he's saying that if he wins, the best-case scenario is that he'll be paying for it two weeks after the auction ends?

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  • AllenAllen Posts: 7,165 ✭✭✭
    Justice was my fav player, but I wouldn't vote for him.
  • onlyanumberonlyanumber Posts: 2,433
    Future ballots:

    2008: Shawon Dunston, Travis Fryman, David Justice, Mike Morgan, Tim Raines, Randy Velarde
    2009: Mark Grace, Rickey Henderson, Dean Palmer, Dan Plesac, Matt Williams
    2010: Andres Galarraga, Edgar Martinez, Robin Ventura



    Here's something to think about. Next years ballot will have 20 guys. 14 hold overs and 6 newbies. Say Rice and Goose get in. Concepcion doesn't and gets dropped for the 15 year mark. That leaves 11 guys. Say only Raines and Justice make it. That puts us at 13 hold overs with 5 newbies for 2009 18 candidates total. Say Rickey makes it and Grace survives for 2010, we're down to 17 possible for 2010. With candidate numbers dwindling like that, we should see many more of these holdovers getting in. The writers know it--The Hall likes having live bodies at ceremonies.
    Next MONTH? So he's saying that if he wins, the best-case scenario is that he'll be paying for it two weeks after the auction ends?

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  • SoutherncardsSoutherncards Posts: 1,384 ✭✭
    I hope Raines makes it. I just picked up a nice Raines game used bat.
  • ejguruejguru Posts: 618 ✭✭✭
    Onlyanumber:

    Totally agree that the years without an inductee is like a "Year without Santa Claus." It happened a few years back, and I just have to think there's too much money at stake NOT to induct someone that isn't hall-worthy. Plus, the Veterans are going to be electing (or could elect) at the end of February and every other year, so odds are that there will never be a year without at least one inductee--or maybe once every other decade.
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