When attempting to cross over from SGC to PSA..

asphaltman76

Can anyone explain the reasoning behind completely removing the SGC slab before sending card to PSA? They do allow you to send the card in with the SGC slab....why wouldn't you do that? Seems like your taking a big risk cracking it....what if PSA deems it trimmed or altered? then your out a card you payed good money for and its now unslabbed? If I send in a SGC 88/8 in the holder, I can specify that if PSA doesn't feel the card will be an 8, to just leave it in its current holder. Just curious about this....if someone can enlighten me on this subject, great.

storm888

Many people think that each grading service has an
incentive to downgrade cards submitted inside of a
competitor's slab. In theory, it is good for each service
to show its customers that it is the most conservative
grader and that the other guys "over-grade."

Asking for a minimum grade would solve your concerns,
but it would probably also eliminate the chance that your
SGC card might receive a higher grade from PSA.

A good way to avoid the challenge in the future is to only
buy PSA-graded cards. The market, currently, has decided
that is the safest solution.

storm

Brian48

Also, it is very difficult to properly grade a card through a holder. GAI and SGC holders are especially difficult because the black insert adds more depth. When this occurs, PSA will conservatively err on the side of safety and either not assign a grade or assign a grade that would have otherwise graded higher if they had a better look.

asphaltman76

I agree.....and this was the first time I had done it. Ended up picking up two T206 HOF'ers in SGC 20's that I couldn't pass up for the price...and obviously 20's seem like they could go either way...a PSA 1 or 2. I guess however with them being in SGC 20 holders..i'm not risking that much breaking them open.

gregmo32

I leave the cards in the holder and send them in. For me it comes down to two factors.

1. The possibility, no matter how small, that I damage the card while taking it out of the holder. I can't risk that when they are willing to do it for me and take responsibilty for its safety.

2. The possibility that they will grade it much lower than the other company. Apart from Set Registry purposes (which are very important), I would usuallyrather have an SGC 88 than a PSA 7 of the same card. I send the cards in with a "minimum grade" for crossover.

Ultimately, I choose to "trust" the professionalism of the process, and the fact that they will judge the card on its individual merits and not on political motives.

gregmo32

And that said, sometimes the grades go up, sometimes they go down, sometimes they stay the same.

ripkenintheminors

I have an SGC card that I'm debating on crossing over, but the key word there is debating. The card was featured in an auction catalog, which in a way makes me want to keep it in the SGC holder. Then again, all of the other graded cards I have of this player are in PSA holders. With that being said, I'd like to have some consistency in all of the cards.

storm888

"Ultimately, I choose to "trust" the professionalism of the process,
and the fact that they will judge the card on its individual merits and
not on political motives. "

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storm888

"Then again, all of the other graded cards I have of this player
are in PSA holders. With that being said, I'd like to have some
consistency in all of the cards. "

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The eye-appeal of grouped cards is greatly diminished when the
holders are mis-matched.

BUT, a catalog picture may increase the appeal of an individual card.
If you put such a card in a PSA holder, you can still, sort of, validate
that the crossed card is the one in the catalog. (Photograph the
group - pre-cross - with a picture of the catalog page. Photograph the
group - post-cross - with a picture of the catalog page AND a picture
of the PSA submission form.)

storm

asphaltman76

These are the two cards in question.....either look like they may get a 2 instead of a 1 from PSA?

storm888

"....either look like they may get a 2 instead of a 1 from PSA?"

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The cards look nice enough, but the grades on the current holders
could negatively influence the next neutral grader.

IMO, they might get a 2 out of the holders, and they are less likely
to do so if submitted in the holders.

Tough call.

The ONLY way to know, obviously, is to send them.

Ahmanfan

I think they look good in the SGC holders, why cross them?

asphaltman76

They are going in my T206 registry set...otherwise wouldnt worry with it