NFL MVP Set?

envoy98

I was curious why there was no NFL MVP set on the registry.

Is it because there are so many different "MVP" awards each year? (ie. United Press, Pro Football Writers, Maxwell Club, AP etc)
Is there no interest?
Is it because there is an intermingling of AFL/NFL for a short time? Could we have one of each?
Is there one in the works and I'm just getting ahead of myself?

Surely Jason can answer this.

I really like the Super Bowl MVP set and the newly added 75th Anniversary Team sets. I was just curious if there was any reason we didn't have the yearly award one yet. Also curious about the ROY and Off/Def Player of the year consideration as well. (as if I don't have enough to keep my collecting interest as it is)

Any thoughts?

andrewlaw

envoy,

at one time I put a spreadsheet together for the Off/Def ROY set...as well as the #1 overall pick set...but never followed through with them because i got busy and it didn't seem to be much interest in them...



andrewlaw

envoy98

Anyone else have any input? Is there any interest in the set at all?

gregm13

Envoy,

I might be interested. Count me in if you start the set.

Regards,

Greg M.

envoy98

If I put one together, do I include the NFL winners from 1938-1946? There was no other MVP award again until 1957 when the Associated Press started awarding it. I believe the AP MVP is the most recognized.

Jason, if you have any thoughts on this, I'd love to hear them. You have a lot more experience in putting these sets together than I do. I would like to take a crack at it, but would want it to have a following and be considered "The" MVP set that makes sense.

Here is a list of players and an unofficial list of their cards I would consider for consideration for the set. Most, if not all of these will be consisitent with the other cards these players have in the other assorted sets. HOF, All Time Team, or Decade Team sets etc.

Would love to hear anyone's thoughts on these.

1938 - Mel Hein, Center, New York Giants - 1955 Topps All American
1939 - Parker Hall, Halfback, Cleveland Rams - ???
1940 - Ace Parker, Halfback, Brooklyn Dodgers - - 1955 Topps All American?
1941 - Don Hutson, End, Green Bay Packers - 1955 Topps All American
1942 - Don Hutson, End, Green Bay Packers - 1955 Topps All American
1943 - Sid Luckman, Quarterback, Chicago Bears - 1948 Leaf
1944 - Frank Sinkwich, Halfback, Detroit Lions - 1955 Topps All American
1945 - Bob Waterfield, Quarterback, Cleveland Rams - 1948 Leaf
1946 - Bill Dudley, Halfback, Pittsburgh Steelers - 1948 Leaf

[edit] As awarded by the Associated Press
1957 - Jim Brown, Running Back, Cleveland Browns - 1958 Topps
1958 - Gino Marchetti, Defensive End, Baltimore Colts - 1952 Bowman
1959 - Charlie Conerly, Quarterback, New York Giants - 1948 Leaf
1960 - Norm Van Brocklin, Quarterback, Philadelphia Eagles and Joe Schmidt, Linebacker, Detroit Lions (tie) - Van Brocklin: 1951 Bowman | Schmidt: 1956 Topps
1961 - Paul Hornung, Running Back, Green Bay Packers - 1957 Topps
1962 - Jim Taylor, Running Back, Green Bay Packers - 1959 Topps
1963 - Y.A. Tittle, Quarterback, New York Giants - 1950 Bowman
1964 - Johnny Unitas, Quarterback, Baltimore Colts - 1957 Topps
1965 - Jim Brown, Running Back, Cleveland Browns - 1958 Topps
1966 - Bart Starr, Quarterback, Green Bay Packers - 1957 Topps
1967 - Johnny Unitas, Quarterback, Baltimore Colts - 1957 Topps
1968 - Earl Morrall, Quarterback, Baltimore Colts - 1957 Topps
1969 - Roman Gabriel, Quarterback, Los Angeles Rams - 1962 Topps
1970 - John Brodie, Quarterback, San Francisco 49ers - 1961 Fleer
1971 - Alan Page, Defensive Tackle, Minnesota Vikings - 1970 Topps
1972 - Larry Brown, Running Back, Washington Redskins - 1970 Topps
1973 - O.J. Simpson, Running Back, Buffalo Bills - 1970 Topps
1974 - Ken Stabler, Quarterback, Oakland Raiders - 1973 Topps
1975 - Fran Tarkenton, Quarterback, Minnesota Vikings - 1962 Topps
1976 - Bert Jones, Quarterback, Baltimore Colts - 1974 Topps ???
1977 - Walter Payton, Running Back, Chicago Bears - 1976 Topps
1978 - Terry Bradshaw, Quarterback, Pittsburgh Steelers - 1971 Topps
1979 - Earl Campbell, Running Back, Houston Oilers - 1979 Topps
1980 - Brian Sipe, Quarterback, Cleveland Browns - 1976 Topps
1981 - Ken Anderson, Quarterback, Cincinnati Bengals - 1973 Topps
1982 - Mark Moseley, Placekicker, Washington Redskins - 1971 Topps
1983 - Joe Theismann, Quarterback, Washington Redskins - 1975 Topps
1984 - Dan Marino, Quarterback, Miami Dolphins - 1984 Topps
1985 - Marcus Allen, Running Back, Los Angeles Raiders - 1983 Topps
1986 - Lawrence Taylor, Linebacker, New York Giants - 1982 Topps
1987 - John Elway, Quarterback, Denver Broncos - 1984 Topps
1988 - Boomer Esiason, Quarterback, Cincinnati Bengals - 1986 Topps
1989 - Joe Montana, Quarterback, San Francisco 49ers - 1981 Topps
1990 - Joe Montana, Quarterback, San Francisco 49ers - 1981 Topps
1991 - Thurman Thomas, Running Back, Buffalo Bills - 1989 Score
1992 - Steve Young, Quarterback, San Francisco 49ers - 1984 USFL
1993 - Emmitt Smith, Running Back, Dallas Cowboys - 1990 Score Supplemental
1994 - Steve Young, Quarterback, San Francisco 49ers - 1984 USFL
1995 - Brett Favre, Quarterback, Green Bay Packers - 1991 Stadium Club
1996 - Brett Favre, Quarterback, Green Bay Packers - 1991 Stadium Club
1997 - Brett Favre, Quarterback, Green Bay Packers and Barry Sanders, Running Back, Detroit Lions (tie) Favre: 1991 Stadium Club Sanders: 1989 Score
1998 - Terrell Davis, Running Back, Denver Broncos - 1995 Select Certified
1999 - Kurt Warner, Quarterback, St. Louis Rams - 1999 Pacific
2000 - Marshall Faulk, Running Back, St. Louis Rams - 1994 SP
2001 - Kurt Warner, Quarterback, St. Louis Rams - 1999 Pacific
2002 - Rich Gannon, Quarterback, Oakland Raiders - 1989 Pro Set
2003 - Peyton Manning, Quarterback, Indianapolis Colts and Steve McNair, Quarterback, Tennessee Titans (tie) - Manning: 1998 SP Authentic | McNair: 1995 SP
2004 - Peyton Manning, Quarterback, Indianapolis Colts - 1998 SP Authentic
2005 - Shaun Alexander, Running Back, Seattle Seahawks - 2000 SP Authentic ???
2006 - Ladanian Tomlinson, Running Back, San Diego Chargers - 2001 Topps Chrome

Once these are/would be agreed to, I will work on weights. I believe the value in PSA 8 is used for that as well??? Is that correct?

-Josh

envoy98

I'll have to reformat this, it doesn't look pretty or read very easily.
Here is a tentative (first attempt)

MVP Year Player Card CardNo SMR 8 Weight
1938 Mel Hein 1955 Topps All American 28 115 1.5
1939 Parker Hall
1940 Ace Parker 1955 Topps All American 84 125 2
1941 Don Hutson 1955 Topps All American 97 385 4.5
1942 Don Hutson 1955 Topps All American 97 385 4.5
1943 Sid Luckman 1948 Leaf 1 1400 10
1944 Frank Sinkwich 1955 Topps All American 80 1.5
1945 Bob Waterfield 1948 Leaf 26 700 7
1946 Bill Dudley 1948 Leaf 36 600 6
1957 Jim Brown 1958 Topps 62 1300 9.5
1958 Gino Marchetti 1952 Bowman 23 385 4.5
1959 Charlie Conerly 1948 Leaf 53 1300 9.5
1960 (tie) Norm Van Brocklin 1951 Bowman 4 1100 8
1960 (tie) Joe Schmidt 1956 Topps 44 100 1.5
1961 Paul Hornung 1957 Topps 151 1150 8.5
1962 Jim Taylor 1959 Topps 155 90 1.5
1963 Y.A. Tittle 1950 Bowman 5 650 6.5
1964 Johnny Unitas 1957 Topps 138 1100 8
1965 Jim Brown 1958 Topps 62 1400 10
1966 Bart Starr 1957 Topps 119 1250 9
1967 Johnny Unitas 1957 Topps 138 1100 8
1968 Earl Morrall 1957 Topps 104 120 1.5
1969 Roman Gabriel 1962 Topps 88 185 3
1970 John Brodie 1961 Fleer 59 120 1.5
1971 Alan Page 1970 Topps 59 48 1
1972 Larry Brown 1970 Topps 24 22 1
1973 O.J. Simpson 1970 Topps 90 125 2
1974 Ken Stabler 1973 Topps 487 105 1.5
1975 Fran Tarkenton 1962 Topps 90 700 7
1976 Bert Jones 1974 Topps 7 1
1977 Walter Payton 1976 Topps 148 180 2.5
1978 Terry Bradshaw 1971 Topps 156 425 5
1979 Earl Campbell 1979 Topps 390 20 1
1980 Brian Sipe 1976 Topps 5 1
1981 Ken Anderson 1973 Topps 34 30 1
1982 Mark Moseley 1971 Topps 14 1
1983 Joe Theismann 1975 Topps 416 45 1
1984 Dan Marino 1984 Topps 123 55 1
1985 Marcus Allen 1983 Topps 294 10 1
1986 Lawrence Taylor 1982 Topps 434 20 1
1987 John Elway 1984 Topps 63 50 1
1988 Boomer Esiason 1986 Topps 255 6 1
1989 Joe Montana 1981 Topps 216 105 1.5
1990 Joe Montana 1981 Topps 216 105 1.5
1991 Thurman Thomas 1989 Score 211 3 1
1992 Steve Young 1984 Topps USFL 52 110 1.5
1993 Emmitt Smith 1990 Score Supplemental 101T 30 1
1994 Steve Young 1984 Topps USFL 52 110 1.5
1995 Brett Favre 1991 Stadium Club 94 27 1
1996 Brett Favre 1991 Stadium Club 94 27 1
1997 (tie) Barry Sanders 1989 Score 257 14 1
1997 (tie) Brett Favre 1991 Stadium Club 94 27 1
1998 Terrell Davis 1995 Select Certified 126 5 1
1999 Kurt Warner 1999 Pacific 10 1
2000 Marshall Faulk 1994 SP 10 1
2001 Kurt Warner 1999 Pacific 10 1
2002 Rich Gannon 1989 Pro Set 2 1
2003 (tie) Steve McNair 1995 SP 3 8 1
2003 (tie) Peyton Manning 1998 SP Authentic 14 275 5
2004 Peyton Manning 1998 SP Authentic 14 275 5
2005 Shaun Alexander 2000 SP Authentic 140 45 1
2006 Ladanian Tomlinson 2001 Topps Chrome 221 27 1

FavreFan1971

I have a problem with sets like these.

2006 Tomlinson wins the award. So why add his rookie card? Why not his 2006 SP or his "Best" card from the year he won?

I understand the earlier winners may not have a card from their year (Don Hutson etc) and for them the rookie card is fine by me. I just think adding this set it is just another derivative of the HOF Rookie and Heisman sets. Yes, I know Boomer and others were not included in those but my big gripe is the year of the card.

This would allow us as collectors to see more cards and not just the ONE rookie of the modern guys.

jradke4

I agree, I would rather see a card from either the year he won or the next year which has its stats. Otherwise some of these sets get very redundant. There arent that many MVP's that also arent in HOF, decade teams, all-time and position Key cards sets. Lets try to make it something different more of a challenge.

Its the same reason why I am not fond of the mega sets. Its just a rehash of the same cards.

Gabbs

envoy,

I think it would be a fun set and i appreciate the work you have done to get the discussion started.

I would definately participate if the set goes.

I think the guys have a good idea in including the MVP's card from the year he was givin the award.

That way you could have different cards for the multiple winners. The older guys would have to be whatever you could come up with

as some would not have cards from their MVP year.

Regards,

Gabbs

JasP24

<< <i>I agree, I would rather see a card from either the year he won or the next year which has its stats. Otherwise some of these sets get very redundant. There arent that many MVP's that also arent in HOF, decade teams, all-time and position Key cards sets. Lets try to make it something different more of a challenge.

Its the same reason why I am not fond of the mega sets. Its just a rehash of the same cards. >>



Bingo..this is the reason I never requested this set. The same reason I didn't create the 75th anniversary team set until just recently(3 years after requesting the all-decade team sets). And only did that because I had gotten 4-5 requests/questions as to why all the Decade sets were listed, but not the 75th anniversary team...Which is basically an all-decade set for the first 75 years of the NFL...

For me, I collect only rookie cards. A 2006 Topps Chrome Tomlinson would be a waste of limited funds for me. I try and stick with the cards that matter most to the hobby, and that's rookie cards. That's not to say you can't request any set you wish to be loaded. But I personally wouldn't collect any non-RCs.

From 1957-present, definitely the AP award is the one to go by. It is the most recognized and "official" award by the NFL. From 1938-1946, the Joe Carr award was the "official" NFL MVP award. From 1951-1956, the UPI was the most recognized yet unofficial. They are:

1956 Frank Gifford New York Giants Quarterback
1955 Otto Graham Cleveland Browns Quarterback
1954 Joe Perry San Francisco 49ers Fullback
1953 Otto Graham Cleveland Browns Quarterback
1952 No Selection
1951 Otto Graham Cleveland Browns Quarterback

There was no award given in the NFL from 1947-1950.

Personally, i don't have much interest in the set because like jradke stated, its basically a re-tread. With the positive being that you do get to add the newer/modern players who win the award.

Best of luck,
Jason

envoy98

I agree with all these points. However, like Jason said, for me to collect the 2006 Topps card of Ladanian Tomlinson in a PSA 10 is kind of a waste from my perspective, and quite honestly it's the reason I never got into any of the actual manufacturer sets. I don't have interest in the 7th year card of Darrell Evans or Steve Lombardozzi, though I can appreciate the interest others do have. It's just not for me. The one thing I do like about the concept of this set is the fact it's ever-evolving. Similar to the Super Bowl MVP and Heisman sets. You know that every year you'll have another card to add, and personally I like that.

The reason I posted this for discussion is that the football sets are getting a little big now, and all of the teams aren't even included yet. I realize it does have a lot of rehash, but quite honestly every set in there has a large overlap. I think it's hard not to.

There would be a few new names on this set that aren't in any of the other key card sets, at least not until Jason finishes the rest of the all time team sets.

MAD

Envoy,

I agree with all points stated by you and Jason.

I further agree that collecting the Rookie Card would be the way most feasible way for those of us who are collecting all the HOF and Key Card sets in high grade.

Marc.

braves72078

I am putting together Raw sets of:

Baseball: MVps, CY Winners, HR Leaders, and Strikeout Leaders

Football: MVPs, Rushing, Passing, Receiving and TD Leaders

Basketball: MVPs, Scoring, Rebounding, and Assist Leaders

Hockey: MVPs, Scoring Leaders, and Vezina Trophy Winners

This focus has really brought collecting back to me. I enjoy it with my son and don't worry about GPA or set rating and ITS FUN for me again.

I have spreadsheets for all these if anyone is interested shhot me a PM and I will email them.

I also prefer a card from the year the award was won if possible.

Bill

NickM

Why not have 2 different sets - one for the rookie cards and one for the card from the MVP year (or as close to it as can be found)?

Nick

envoy98

I suppose you could treat it like a basic and master set, or like one "mega-set".

Would that be of more interest to everyone?

I'm just trying to facilitate discussion on the topic as I would like to see the set.

envoy98

Or, here's another idea. I was just looking at how baseball did it and they just have the player listed. So all cards are weighted the same (1) and any card from that player counts. This is how the HOF Player/Coach/Admin set is done although I think someone who has a PSA 8 Jim Brown RC should get more "points" than someone who picked up 2002 SP Authentic in a PSA 10. However in that set, and this scenario, that would not be the case.

braves72078

Envoy

I would be glad to help with weighting the sets if you need a hand.

Bill