This Trio Came Back In A Bag

LeeG · December 28, 2006 11:51AM

The graders didn't like this trio

Thanks Phil

pharmer · December 28, 2006 11:55AM

Well, you're sure taking it well, Lee. And you don't have to thank Phil. You paid for it. And, your images are better.

JRocco · December 28, 2006 12:03PM

Wow--not too good...
Those are some seriously sweet Lincoln's...

OneCent · December 28, 2006 12:25PM

That's a real bummer, Lee. They are some super-toned colorful Lincolns!

What was the problem?

FlyingEagle · December 28, 2006 12:49PM

<< <i>That's a real bummer, Lee. They are some super-toned colorful Lincolns!

What was the problem? >>

Fake color clearly on the top two and bottom one looks environmentally damaged.

RedneckHB · December 28, 2006 12:51PM

At least you did get the pics!!! Thats good.

I can understand the 36-d. That steely blue looks wrong although I have seen it before. I love the green on that coin.

The other 2 have me baffled.

LucyBop · December 28, 2006 12:52PM

I have had some with that kind of color grade before... In fact some of those were yours I think...

It's a gamble with toned Cents....

LeeBone · December 28, 2006 1:11PM

I also have a few "no grades" returned from PCGS....

clackamas · December 28, 2006 1:18PM

What was the BB reason?

LeeBone · December 28, 2006 1:25PM

I am prone to getting the...
1) Altered Surfaces (Thumbing,Hazing,Etc.)
2) Cleaned
And a new one...
3) Enviromental Damage

One day I`ll get a "Perfect" submission form back...one day.

mcheath · December 28, 2006 1:27PM

i agree that the 36-d does look questionable but the 40-d looks good to me.

BobaFett72 · December 28, 2006 1:52PM

perhaps you should have requested the MOC special designation lol.

Swampboy · December 28, 2006 2:16PM

My 37-D doesn't have that grin. Is that the image?

Burks · December 28, 2006 2:22PM

That's a kick in the old family jewels.

TomB · December 28, 2006 2:38PM

All three coins were purchased from me and all three coins came from the same Dansco Lincoln cent album that contained only MS coins. I had had the coins for several years along with the 1945 and 1957-D Lincoln cents that Lee has previously shown to the boards. At one point about three years ago I submitted the 1945 and 1957-D to PCGS where they graded MS66RB and MS65RB but did not include these three coins. The only reason that two of the five toned Lincoln cents were sent to PCGS was simply an act of throwing some toned coins into a submission while not throwing others into the submission.

My recollection of the 1936-D is that the color is a bit less dramatic in-hand and that the steely blue is not so pronounced, the 1937-D seems to be fairly accurate and the 1946-D has a deep ring of color around the rim, but I think the color is a shade or two lighter in-hand. Please note that I am not tearing apart the images. They are in fact far superior to anything I had been able to capture, it's just that I think they are a slight bit different than how I remember the coins.

One member has stated that the 1936-D and 1937-D are clearly fake color, but I did not then think this the case and I am still not sold that is indeed true. Perhaps if they were submitted at another time, such as with the 1945 PCGS MS66RB and 1957-D PCGS MS65RB they would have been slabbed without issue. Perhaps if they were submitted again tomorrow they would slab without issue. Perhaps NGC would slab them without issue. Perhaps neither PCGS nor NGC would slab the coins in the future. I do not know. I do know, however, that I did not sell them with the expectation that they would be bagged.

LeeG · December 28, 2006 6:56PM

All three coins were bagged for "Questionable Color". I fully understand the grading process and don't send coins that I feel will come home in a bag. Sometimes they do and that's just the nature of the process. All three are fully lustrous coins that doesn't show well in these pic's. I posted the coins mainly for selfish reasons. I like them and the pic's are awesome. Anyone who submit's copper for grading to PCGS has probably had similar results at one time or another. PCGS guarantee's the coins in their holders so it's their right to refuse to holder. Tom I trust your experience and knowledge in the series and never doubted the source or originality of these coins. I didn't post them to disparage you in any way. I wanted to share the pic's with others and let forum members know how the grading process can turn out sometimes on beautiful toners.

Thanks all for sharing your comments on this trio

Tom made reference to the 45 and 57-D Lincolns I purchased from him so here they are:

bhartman35 · December 28, 2006 10:01PM

I'm jealous that you got body-bagged coins imaged! The only submission I ever sent in to PCGS came back "Altered Surfaces" and they wouldn't image it!

STONE · December 28, 2006 10:29PM

What, PCGS doesn't like color anymore?

Those are some sweet coins nontheless.

66RB · December 29, 2006 12:14AM

Sorry to see this Lee

I see no reason why they should not have been graded. The 46-D reminded me of another coin that forum member DickyBetz sent to PCGS, which PCGS gradedMS61BN

Maybe these need another trip to PCGS

WaterSport · December 29, 2006 12:26AM

I am stunned that I can not even comment, Lee, Send them back to PCGS.

WS

Longacre · December 29, 2006 12:27AM

Those don't look like they should have been bagged.

BrianKuszmar · December 29, 2006 12:47AM

When in doubt, body bag them and send them back.

Buutttt Imho

If the paid experts dont know, why cant they just say "we dont know" and send your money back.

But lifes not perfect..

GoldenEyeNumismatics · December 29, 2006 1:08AM

i agree with PCGS on the last one, but the first 2 I think are NT

coppercoins · December 29, 2006 1:11AM

All three coins show natural toning. PCGS just wants more money.

Connecticoin · December 29, 2006 1:41AM

<< <i>All three coins show natural toning. PCGS just wants more money. >>

Lately, you have to wonder if there is some truth to this. PCGS Does seem to be bagging a lot more coins than previously.

morgansforever · December 29, 2006 1:58AM

Send em back, maybe they'll slab em. Gorgeous specimens,

morgans

FlyingEagle · December 29, 2006 9:17AM

<< <i>All three coins were bagged for "Questionable Color". I fully understand the grading process and don't send coins that I feel will come home in a bag. Sometimes they do and that's just the nature of the process. All three are fully lustrous coins that doesn't show well in these pic's. I posted the coins mainly for selfish reasons. I like them and the pic's are awesome. Anyone who submit's copper for grading to PCGS has probably had similar results at one time or another. PCGS guarantee's the coins in their holders so it's their right to refuse to holder. Tom I trust your experience and knowledge in the series and never doubted the source or originality of these coins. I didn't post them to disparage you in any way. I wanted to share the pic's with others and let forum members know how the grading process can turn out sometimes on beautiful toners. >>

The grading process turned out correct this time as the coins are bad. Compare them to your 1945 and 1957(D). They look very different in style.

techeff · December 29, 2006 9:28AM

Wait, they won't put them in plastic, but they'll photograph them? There must be an extra fee for taking the pics...

LeeG · December 29, 2006 9:09PM

<< <i>Wait, they won't put them in plastic, but they'll photograph them? There must be an extra fee for taking the pics...

>>

TruView cost $5 per coin in addition to the grading fee's. Super deal in my opinion.

Thanks everyone for commenting on the trio. Good possability of a return trip to PCGS at sometime in the future.

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