All three coins were purchased from me and all three coins came from the same Dansco Lincoln cent album that contained only MS coins. I had had the coins for several years along with the 1945 and 1957-D Lincoln cents that Lee has previously shown to the boards. At one point about three years ago I submitted the 1945 and 1957-D to PCGS where they graded MS66RB and MS65RB but did not include these three coins. The only reason that two of the five toned Lincoln cents were sent to PCGS was simply an act of throwing some toned coins into a submission while not throwing others into the submission.
My recollection of the 1936-D is that the color is a bit less dramatic in-hand and that the steely blue is not so pronounced, the 1937-D seems to be fairly accurate and the 1946-D has a deep ring of color around the rim, but I think the color is a shade or two lighter in-hand. Please note that I am not tearing apart the images. They are in fact far superior to anything I had been able to capture, it's just that I think they are a slight bit different than how I remember the coins.
One member has stated that the 1936-D and 1937-D are clearly fake color, but I did not then think this the case and I am still not sold that is indeed true. Perhaps if they were submitted at another time, such as with the 1945 PCGS MS66RB and 1957-D PCGS MS65RB they would have been slabbed without issue. Perhaps if they were submitted again tomorrow they would slab without issue. Perhaps NGC would slab them without issue. Perhaps neither PCGS nor NGC would slab the coins in the future. I do not know. I do know, however, that I did not sell them with the expectation that they would be bagged.
All three coins were bagged for "Questionable Color". I fully understand the grading process and don't send coins that I feel will come home in a bag. Sometimes they do and that's just the nature of the process. All three are fully lustrous coins that doesn't show well in these pic's. I posted the coins mainly for selfish reasons. I like them and the pic's are awesome. Anyone who submit's copper for grading to PCGS has probably had similar results at one time or another. PCGS guarantee's the coins in their holders so it's their right to refuse to holder. Tom I trust your experience and knowledge in the series and never doubted the source or originality of these coins. I didn't post them to disparage you in any way. I wanted to share the pic's with others and let forum members know how the grading process can turn out sometimes on beautiful toners.
Thanks all for sharing your comments on this trio
Tom made reference to the 45 and 57-D Lincolns I purchased from him so here they are:
Sorry to see this Lee I see no reason why they should not have been graded. The 46-D reminded me of another coin that forum member DickyBetz sent to PCGS, which PCGS gradedMS61BN
Those don't look like they should have been bagged.
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<< <i>All three coins were bagged for "Questionable Color". I fully understand the grading process and don't send coins that I feel will come home in a bag. Sometimes they do and that's just the nature of the process. All three are fully lustrous coins that doesn't show well in these pic's. I posted the coins mainly for selfish reasons. I like them and the pic's are awesome. Anyone who submit's copper for grading to PCGS has probably had similar results at one time or another. PCGS guarantee's the coins in their holders so it's their right to refuse to holder. Tom I trust your experience and knowledge in the series and never doubted the source or originality of these coins. I didn't post them to disparage you in any way. I wanted to share the pic's with others and let forum members know how the grading process can turn out sometimes on beautiful toners. >>
The grading process turned out correct this time as the coins are bad. Compare them to your 1945 and 1957(D). They look very different in style.
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Those are some seriously sweet Lincoln's...
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<< <i>That's a real bummer, Lee. They are some super-toned colorful Lincolns!
What was the problem? >>
Fake color clearly on the top two and bottom one looks environmentally damaged.
I can understand the 36-d. That steely blue looks wrong although I have seen it before. I love the green on that coin.
The other 2 have me baffled.
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My recollection of the 1936-D is that the color is a bit less dramatic in-hand and that the steely blue is not so pronounced, the 1937-D seems to be fairly accurate and the 1946-D has a deep ring of color around the rim, but I think the color is a shade or two lighter in-hand. Please note that I am not tearing apart the images. They are in fact far superior to anything I had been able to capture, it's just that I think they are a slight bit different than how I remember the coins.
One member has stated that the 1936-D and 1937-D are clearly fake color, but I did not then think this the case and I am still not sold that is indeed true. Perhaps if they were submitted at another time, such as with the 1945 PCGS MS66RB and 1957-D PCGS MS65RB they would have been slabbed without issue. Perhaps if they were submitted again tomorrow they would slab without issue. Perhaps NGC would slab them without issue. Perhaps neither PCGS nor NGC would slab the coins in the future. I do not know. I do know, however, that I did not sell them with the expectation that they would be bagged.
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Thanks all for sharing your comments on this trio
Tom made reference to the 45 and 57-D Lincolns I purchased from him so here they are:
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Those are some sweet coins nontheless.
I see no reason why they should not have been graded. The 46-D reminded me of another coin that forum member DickyBetz sent to PCGS, which PCGS gradedMS61BN
Maybe these need another trip to PCGS
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<< <i>All three coins show natural toning. PCGS just wants more money. >>
Lately, you have to wonder if there is some truth to this. PCGS Does seem to be bagging a lot more coins than previously.
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<< <i>All three coins were bagged for "Questionable Color". I fully understand the grading process and don't send coins that I feel will come home in a bag. Sometimes they do and that's just the nature of the process. All three are fully lustrous coins that doesn't show well in these pic's. I posted the coins mainly for selfish reasons. I like them and the pic's are awesome. Anyone who submit's copper for grading to PCGS has probably had similar results at one time or another. PCGS guarantee's the coins in their holders so it's their right to refuse to holder. Tom I trust your experience and knowledge in the series and never doubted the source or originality of these coins. I didn't post them to disparage you in any way. I wanted to share the pic's with others and let forum members know how the grading process can turn out sometimes on beautiful toners. >>
The grading process turned out correct this time as the coins are bad. Compare them to your 1945 and 1957(D). They look very different in style.
<< <i>Wait, they won't put them in plastic, but they'll photograph them? There must be an extra fee for taking the pics...
TruView cost $5 per coin in addition to the grading fee's. Super deal in my opinion.
Thanks everyone for commenting on the trio. Good possability of a return trip to PCGS at sometime in the future.