Barry Zito 7 Years $126 M. WHAT ARE THEY THINKING?
pb19991
Posts: 271
in Sports Talk
Barry Zito to the Giants for $126 Million for 7 Years??????? has everyone in baseball lost their minds? he's a very good not great pitcher, when the big 3 were in tact in Oakland Hudson, Mulder and Zito he was clearly the number 3 starter in that rotation. Is he even in the top ten current best pitchers in Baseball??? Teams will be regretting contracts from this winter for years to come, just ask the Texas Rangers about the ridiculous contract they gave then clearly the best player in baseball at the time Alex Rodriguez, they're still paying for that mistake all these years later. Wow wheres Charlie Finley when we need him. Phil
0
Comments
Link
<< <i>Zito's agreement, reached late Wednesday night, includes an $18 million option for 2014 that could increase the value to $144 million. The option would become guaranteed if Zito pitches 200 innings in 2013, 400 combined over 2012 and 2013 or 600 combined from 2011-13. >>
But, I feel bad for Oakland fans - who now watch Zito essentially go across town (it would be like going from the Yanks to the Mets) and they have to see him in a Giants uniform. I figured he would sign for a ton of money, but wow - the Giants are going to hear a lot of criticism for this move.
<< <i>Looks like Matsuzaka was a steal, by comparison.
>>
Are you kidding me? You are comparing Zito to a guy who hasnt thrown one pitch in MLB?
So, yes, another team with deep pockets. Baseball in trouble? NOPE! Fans wallets in trouble? YUP!
Zito is smiling all the way to the bank with this deal! (And so is Boras! WOW)
J
<< <i>Looks like Matsuzaka was a steal, by comparison. >>
You are joking, right?
D-Mat was about $105M, not including incentives. You don't think Zito deserves +/- 20% more considering he's a proven commodity in MLB?
Edited to add: And please do not attempt the "He's only getting $50M" response because you won't get anywhere with that argument
<< <i>Edited to add: And please do not attempt the "He's only getting $50M" response because you won't get anywhere with that argument >>
Kind of - the Sox have to look at the $51.1M as an investment, which they will recoup by building their brand in the Far East. It hopefully will also lead to other signings from that region as well. So, while the total investment tops $100M, you can look at the way they smacked Boras around at contract time as the Sox doing a nice job on getting him signed for what appears to be a steal.
<< <i>Pitching is an extreme premium right now. If you have a pulse in your body, and you're a left-hander, teams will still pay through the nose for you. Take a look at what Jamie Moyer got. It's little wonder David Wells is reconsidering retirement. >>
Excellent point, Brian. That's also the reason so many teams are interested in Randy Johnson, even if we all think he is washed up, there are many who think he has plenty of worth.
Hand son a baseball. Have him practice throwing it. Repeatedly. Left handed. Do this from now until he is ready for little league/junior varsity/varsity. Pick up the pace with practicing after he's in little league/junior varsity/varsity.
Forget blocking him; find out where he lives and go punch him in the nuts. --WalterSobchak 9/12/12
Looking for Al Hrabosky and any OPC Dave Campbells (the ESPN guy)
Try and recall that I was once a heavily touted pitcher when at age 17 I was a 150 lb lefty who threw mid 80's with massive movement on his fastball, a great changeup and pinpoint control...before a car accident ruined chances at pursuing further...
Try and further remember that the arm has healed and although I am now 33 there is still life in this old arm and at the money they are throwing lefties it may be worth giving a tryout another chance !!!!!!!
-- Yogi Berra
37 is not too old to teach myself to throw left handed. Teach self to throw knuckleball and even if I can just get it to the plate at about 45-50 mph, I should still garner at least $1mil per year. Winter workout will start tonight----first step--- start drinking my beer with left hand***
See you all in spring training!!!
<< <i>
<< <i>Edited to add: And please do not attempt the "He's only getting $50M" response because you won't get anywhere with that argument >>
Kind of - the Sox have to look at the $51.1M as an investment, which they will recoup by building their brand in the Far East. It hopefully will also lead to other signings from that region as well. So, while the total investment tops $100M, you can look at the way they smacked Boras around at contract time as the Sox doing a nice job on getting him signed for what appears to be a steal. >>
What a joke.
Using this TWISTED logic the Yankees can axe TONS of payroll with the HUGE amount of money earned with "their brand" in the Far East over the years. I love ya Jerry, but you don't call em the same between the Yanks and Sox. The thought that the Red Sox can just drop that number paid becuase of potential money made over their is a CROCK. The Yankees have been doing that for years .......
ISO 1978 Topps Baseball in NM-MT High Grade Raw 3, 100, 103, 302, 347, 376, 416, 466, 481, 487, 509, 534, 540, 554, 579, 580, 622, 642, 673, 724__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ISO 1978 O-Pee-Chee in NM-MT High Grade Raw12, 21, 29, 38, 49, 65, 69, 73, 74, 81, 95, 100, 104, 110, 115, 122, 132, 133, 135, 140, 142, 151, 153, 155, 160, 161, 167, 168, 172, 179, 181, 196, 200, 204, 210, 224, 231, 240
Acquiring a pitcher of this calibre through free agency is very very difficult. The last big time free agent pitcher in his prime that signed for a long term contract that I recall was Mike Mussina and Mussina was 32 when the Yankees signed him. That contract worked out very well for the Yankees.
Edited to add: And the extra revenue the Giants will make from keeping Bonds for this season will pay for both his 16 million dollar salary and the first year of Zito's contract.
<< <i>
<< <i>Looks like Matsuzaka was a steal, by comparison. >>
You are joking, right?
D-Mat was about $105M, not including incentives. You don't think Zito deserves +/- 20% more considering he's a proven commodity in MLB?
Edited to add: And please do not attempt the "He's only getting $50M" response because you won't get anywhere with that argument
Matsuzaka is a steal in comparision to Zito moneywise. They payed around 105M total it is true. However the part they paid his Japanese team is done and gone. Only the contract counts toward any luxury tax the Sox might have to pay. The whole 127M for Zito counts. Even if Matsuzaka is not great he has an very tradeable contract. The Red Sox will not have a contract that weighs them down for years to come like SF with Zito. If he is as good as the hype this contract is downright spectacular considering the contracts that have been signed this off-season.
<< <i>Matsuzaka is a steal in comparision to Zito moneywise. They payed around 105M total it is true. However the part they paid his Japanese team is done and gone. Only the contract counts toward any luxury tax the Sox might have to pay. The whole 127M for Zito counts. Even if Matsuzaka is not great he has an very tradeable contract. The Red Sox will not have a contract that weighs them down for years to come like SF with Zito. If he is as good as the hype this contract is downright spectacular considering the contracts that have been signed this off-season. >>
I can see your reasoning but it doesn't hold water.
Doesn't matter what D-Mat's actual Contract stipulates, they are out $100M+ regardless of how you want to spin it. If they attempt to trade him, I can guarantee you that they will look to recoop some of that $50M signing fee.. Be it with cash or additional players.
This is MLB and you don't have to trade contract value for contract value; A-Rod got traded with a $250M Contract with Hicks still on the hook.
To be perfectly blunt and compare apples to apples: Hypothetically speaking, if D-Mat is a bust, Boston is on the hook for $100M+ Having said that, if Zito fails to live up to his previous accomplishments, SF is on the hook for $126M.
Easy to say when it's not your millions on the table.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<<Easy to say when it's not your millions on the table. >>
Grote I have to say that is easy to say. Look at a guy like Karl Malone he took a massive paycut to play for the Lakers hopeing for a ring. Instead he got nothing but thats a respectfull player. If the Giants were contenders i'd say hats off but it is about the money and I agree I have no respect for guys like Zito. Pretty soon well be paying 50 for a beer just to pay these overpaid egos
One gallop away from "something snaping" or one pitch away from "something snapping".
But there is a difference, a horse may get "put down". The pitcher? Gets Tommy John surgery!
rd
Quicksilver Messenger Service - Smokestack Lightning (Live) 1968
Quicksilver Messenger Service - The Hat (Live) 1971
Go Phillies
<< <i> makes me even more furious that he stole that Cy Young from Pedro. >>
That's funny. Zito didn't steal the Cy Young for that year, but he is stealing money from the Giants and that's ok for me being a Dodger fan.
BTW, I remember he was sent to the bullpen but it seems that didn't last more than a week or two. I'm guessing it didn't do much.
If YOU were Zito would you, if your performance continues to stink, over to renegotiate the contract? If so, then you have a basis for your complaints [to the extent they are directed at him, as opposed to the Giants]. If not, then you have NO basis for your complaints [to the extent they are directed at him, as opposed to the Giants].
What would be very interesting and refreshing to see would be to have the Giants demand to renegotiate Zito's contract. So many times the athlete signs a long term contract, thinking at the time that it is a great deal. Two years later [after seeing other similar or lesser players sign contracts for much, much more; or after the player has a monster season] the athlete becomes dissatisfied with the contract and demands that it be renegotiated. Many times the team caves in and renegoiates, even though the current contract is legally binding.
It sure would be fun to see the Giants demand that Zito renegotiate the contract downward. It would be fun to see Zito's reaction to that type of a demand and it would be fun to see the Players Association's reaction to that type of a demand
i remember someone mentioning that this actually happened. Or, at least, the team provided some slight "pressure" on a player to redo his contract to free up money to sign other players. it was revealed later that the player did it not only to help his team financially, but also because he was guilty that his performance didnt match his salary.
the giants blew it a long time ago when they didnt sign guerrero. Guerrero and bonds in the same lineup for a few years...and then have guerrero as the star attraction after bonds leaves....makes sense from nearly every perspective (financially, chemistry, competitive) ive thought of.
I do call the East Bay home.
Bronco fan I am. However I am so busy with stuff that my attention to the NFL is not like it was when I was a kid growing up in Denver. Thus I do not have any problem being in the Raider's back yard. Further, Denver has had the Raider's number for many years now, so most of the time I can look forward to Denver winning one or both games against the Raider's each season. Funny thing though, even with Denver's recent run of success against the Raiders, the Raider's still are far ahead in the wins and losses between the two teams. Denver is still about 20 games behind the Raiders in the win column. That just shows how lopsided the rivalry was between Denver and the Raiders from 1960 until the start of the Elway era.