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Griffey Jr. is a moron and is less and less deserving of the HOF each and every year!!

Reds outfielder Griffey breaks his left hand


Fri Dec 22, 12:40 PM ET

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Cincinnati Reds center fielder Ken Griffey Jr. broke his left hand during an accident at his Florida home, the National League baseball club said Friday.

The 18-year veteran's hand was placed in a hard cast and he will next be examined in three weeks, the Reds said, according to mlb.com.

"We'll know more then," Reds general manager Wayne Krivsky said when asked if Griffey would be fit in time for the start of training in February.

The club did not reveal details of how the 12-times All-Star was injured.

In 109 games last season, Griffey batted .252 with 27 home runs and 72 RBIs. His 563 career home runs tie him with Reggie Jackson for 10th on the all-time home run list.

Griffey, 37, has been plagued by injuries since he joined the Reds before the 2000 season. He played 145 games that year but has not come close to that mark since.

Last season, a strained tendon in his right knee in April put Griffey on the disabled list for a month. A dislocated right toe suffered September 4 while trying to climb the outfield fence to make a catch limited him to just two pinch-hit at-bats over Cincinnati's last 24 games.

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  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,970 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well why dont we find out what really happened before we call him a moron.


  • << <i>Well why dont we find out what really happened before we call him a moron. >>


    you are right. moron is harsh, but come on. He has been injured in about 50 different possible ways in the past 6 years.
    It is just freaking rediculous how sad this once promising career has crashed.

  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,970 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Well why dont we find out what really happened before we call him a moron. >>


    you are right. moron is harsh, but come on. He has been injured in about 50 different possible ways in the past 6 years.
    It is just freaking rediculous how sad this once promising career has crashed. >>



    I dont disagree at all, it is absolutley ridiculas but its not like he is a wimp or anything. Funny, one of my good friends Joe works with me in a prison and this kid gets injured every time he has hands on with an inmate, for instance.... torn shoulder # 1, torn shoulder # 2, Shoulder injury # 3 again ( 5 screws inserted this time ), broken finger, broken bone in hand.... He will be there everytime on time for you, he has the heart of a lion but he just breaks easy, his nick-name is Joe-Glass. Loooks like Griffey is in Fragile Fred (Taylor) Lavar (injury) Arrington, Courtney (injury) Brown, and my buddy Joey Glass's company
  • stevekstevek Posts: 29,253 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yes he's had a lot of injuries, but with no steroids his body is breaking down "normally" like most athletes heading up towards 40 years old and trying to play sports full time. But at least when he's 50 years old, he won't be diagnosed with some form of liver cancer or other type of cancer such as Bonds, McGwire and many others who used steroids most likely will.
  • kcballboykcballboy Posts: 1,405 ✭✭✭
    I don't think you could say that his career has crashed. He has had a string of bad luck injuries, but he has been productive when he has played. That tends to happen with age and you can't blame him for it. I don't think there has ever been any question of his heart of playing through injuries. Back in the day they tried to get him to stop making all those incredible leaping catches for injury sake.

    I just don't think you can discredit a guy's career accomplishments because of injuries suffered in his twilight. To say that he is less deserving of the Hall is, no offense, absolutely ridiculous. Going by your logic, every 'moron' that missed significant amounts of time in his older years should be pulled from the HOF. Guys like stupid Tony Gwynn, and dummy Andre Dawson, and of course there's idiotface Mickey Mantle, all missed significant time due to injuries. Does that mean that they are less deserving of praise?

    PS - I'm only joking with the sarcastic name calling, not trying to be a dik.

    Edited because I left out a word in the first sentence that totally changed my argument.
    Travis
  • Griffey Jr, should have drank more Milk as a kid. In the early 90's he was the king. Now in 2006 he ranks among the "water boy"..........it is sad
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  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,711 ✭✭✭✭✭
    No doubt that Griffey's been snakebit by injuries, but to call him a "moron" is idiotic. He's a first ballot LOCK for the HOF, has hit nearly 600 homers, has never been linked to steroid abuse, and was the most dominant player in baseball for an entire decade. I'm virtually certain he didn't break his hand on purpose. Talk about kicking a guy when he's down, sheesh!


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  • SOMSOM Posts: 1,555 ✭✭✭
    I sure hope it wasn't domestic violence, because I really love the guy.

    Why couldn't it have happened to Bonds?

    Nick
  • I really would love to see Griffey come back and these days anything is possible. Griffey still has skill and his bat is dangerous, maybe even with one hand............
    "Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum"
    (If you want peace, prepare for War).........Semper Fi
  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,970 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Another thing, Who says he will miss time anyways? A broken hand I believe typically takes what? 6 weeks? Spring Training is about 2 months away most likely he will be ready. Im rooting for him !
  • metalmikemetalmike Posts: 2,152 ✭✭
    I agree with Grote Ken has been playing for almost 17 years ! First ballot HOF for sure.
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  • 53BKid53BKid Posts: 2,174 ✭✭✭
    Nope. Won't get a lot of writers votes first time around, especially in Ohio.

    The last several years he's contributed very little, relative to the original expectations.

    Inconsistency and mediocrity are not H-O-F characteristics.

    (Sorry about the spelling)
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  • kcballboykcballboy Posts: 1,405 ✭✭✭
    Anyone who thinks that a guy who will end up with 600 homers (with no steroids) won't be a first ballot HOFer just because he was injury prone for a few seasons needs to get a clue.
    Travis
  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭
    I wouldn't say he's less deserving of the Hall because if anyone from this era deserves it, it's Griffey along with a handful of others.
    So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
  • despite his decline, this guy is definitely a first ballot HOF.
    Cincy overpaid for his services and he is just a shell of his former greatness.


  • << <i>Won't get a lot of writers votes first time around, especially in Ohio.

    The last several years he's contributed very little, relative to the original expectations.

    Inconsistency and mediocrity are not H-O-F characteristics. >>

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  • kcballboykcballboy Posts: 1,405 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Won't get a lot of writers votes first time around, especially in Ohio.

    The last several years he's contributed very little, relative to the original expectations.

    Inconsistency and mediocrity are not H-O-F characteristics. >>

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    What's mediocre about ranking in the top 10 in all-time home runs?
    Travis
  • I think it is he was referring to the fact that that is a long time ago
    and was his only real trick. sure he hit a lot of long balls, years ago
    but heck, that is not really novel anymore. everyone and their brother
    that plays ball these days are smacking home runs.
    the ones that deserve the hall are the ones that are CONSISTANT
    through out a WHOLE CAREER and not constantly on the bench because they
    have bones made of glass.

    at some point numbers dont make all the difference. there has to be something
    else to point to besides hitting a lot early.

    Definitions of flash in the pan: Someone who enjoys transient success but then fails in the end.

    The term flash in the pan is taken to mean a transient happening which results in no long-term success.

    It comes from the age of flintlock guns, where the main charge was intended to be fired by a small charge of gunpowder in the priming pan. If the resultant fire did not pass through the touch-hole and ignite the main charge, it was a "flash in the pan".
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  • <<I just don't think you can discredit a guy's career accomplishments because of injuries suffered in his twilight. To say that he is less deserving of the Hall is, no offense, absolutely ridiculous. Going by your logic, every 'moron' that missed significant amounts of time in his older years should be pulled from the HOF. Guys like stupid Tony Gwynn, and dummy Andre Dawson, and of course there's idiotface Mickey Mantle, all missed significant time due to injuries. Does that mean that they are less deserving of praise?>>image
  • kcballboykcballboy Posts: 1,405 ✭✭✭
    I don't know that anyone that follows baseball could call a Griffey a one trick horse when he was in his prime. .300 average, 10 Gold Gloves, nearly 200 steals, and an All Century Team nod constitutes much more than one trick.

    I am having a hard time going along with your points because you are implying that just because he has a history of injuries, his talents are negated. I have heard several times about how hard he works in the offseason to try and stay healthy and his body just keeps breaking down. If he truly does work as hard as they say he does, then he cannot be held liable for the body he was given. It is out of his control. Just like it was out of Lou Gehrig's control when he got sick. For that matter, was Mickey Mantle any less talented because he notoriously abused his body to the point that it killed him? Should he be removed from the Hall because he could have hit 700 home runs, but "only" hit 536?

    It takes nothing away from his talents and his accomplishments on the field. He is a class act, was the best player in the game from about 93-99, and is still considered one of the best when healthy. It is unfortunate that we will never know what he really could have accomplished, but I don't think it takes away from what he DID accomplish.
    Travis
  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭
    Griffey is a flash in the pan?

    Wow.

    How do you figure?
    So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
  • Griffey is one of the best of all time! In his prime he was the best in the game-how can anyone say he is not deserving of the Hall?!?!? If he had got on the juice like Barry, Mark & Sammy, maybe he would have remained healthy and be pushing 800 HRs right now. His defence in center way jaw-dropping. First ballot for sure!
  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,970 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yea, this thread is getting a bit out of hand here...Griffey JR. is a sure fire first ballot HOF'er bottom line. As mentioned earlier he is one bright spot in this age of steroid filled bats. Griffey is one guy a parent would not mind their kid having for a role model, good #'s and a good reputation is a good mix.
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,711 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Griffey is a LOCK for the HOF on the first ballot. Anyone who thinks otherwise is totally clueless. Case closed.


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  • << <i>Griffey is a LOCK for the HOF on the first ballot. Anyone who thinks otherwise is totally clueless. Case closed. >>

    I never actually said he was not going to get INTO the hall, I just said he is less and less deserving because about half his career is a pathetic injury prone debacle.

    now, the case is closed. image
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,711 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I never actually said he was not going to get INTO the hall, I just said he is less and less deserving because about half his career is a pathetic injury prone debacle.

    Obviously, you have a strong opinion about Griffey, so I'm not going to try to change that, but the fact of the matter is that Griffey is a first ballot HOFer and will be rightfully inducted into Cooperstown on the first try, so I wouldn't say most of the baseball world shares your opinion, thankfully.


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  • kcballboykcballboy Posts: 1,405 ✭✭✭
    Looks like Griffey dodged a bullet this time. It would have reserved his seat next to McGwire at the HOF inductions had he missed any time. image



    CINCINNATI -- Ken Griffey Jr.'s broken left hand should be fully healed before the Cincinnati Reds start spring training next month, his agent said Tuesday.

    Griffey broke his throwing hand in an accident at home last month and had it placed in a hard cast. X-rays over the weekend indicated that it was healing as expected. He will be examined again in about 10 days.

    "From our conversations from the medical people, we don't expect it to linger into even the beginning of spring training," agent Brian Goldberg said Tuesday in a telephone interview.

    The Reds open spring training in Sarasota, Fla., on Feb. 17. The voluntary reporting date for position players is Feb. 21.

    Details of the accident and the injury have been kept private, at Griffey's request. The outfielder wants to wait until he reports for spring training to discuss what happened.

    "It's all just respecting Junior's request to tell all of the local media at the same time what happened when he gets to spring training," Goldberg said.

    The 37-year-old Griffey has become more reluctant to talk about injuries over the years. Since he came to his hometown team in a trade before the 2000 season, he has spent a lot of time overcoming injuries.

    Griffey has been on the disabled list eight times since 2000. Last year, he missed nearly a month early in the season because of swelling behind his right knee. He sat out 22 of the last 24 games after dislocating a toe.

    Overall, he hit .252 with 27 homers and 72 RBI in 109 games, his fourth-highest total with the Reds. He finished the season with 563 homers, tying Reggie Jackson for 10th place on the career list. His 1,608 RBI rank 22nd on the career list, which goes back to 1920 when it became an official statistic.

    The various injuries -- torn hamstrings, torn knee tendon, dislocated shoulder, torn ankle tendon, dislocated toe -- severely diminished his playing time and his ranking as one of the game's top players.

    For three years in a row, Griffey didn't play in more than 83 games in a season. He finally played a full season in 2005, when he won the NL comeback player award for hitting .301 with 35 homers in 128 games.

    Griffey has two seasons left on the $116.5 million, nine-year contract he signed when he came to Cincinnati. He will get $12.5 million each of the next two seasons, with $6.5 million deferred each year. There's an option for 2009 at $16.5 million, with a $4 million buyout.
    Travis
  • I think griffeys a lock for the HOF


  • << <i>Reds outfielder Griffey breaks his left hand


    Fri Dec 22, 12:40 PM ET

    NEW YORK (Reuters) - Cincinnati Reds center fielder Ken Griffey Jr. broke his left hand during an accident at his Florida home, the National League baseball club said Friday.

    The 18-year veteran's hand was placed in a hard cast and he will next be examined in three weeks, the Reds said, according to mlb.com.

    "We'll know more then," Reds general manager Wayne Krivsky said when asked if Griffey would be fit in time for the start of training in February.

    The club did not reveal details of how the 12-times All-Star was injured.z

    In 109 games last season, Griffey batted .252 with 27 home runs and 72 RBIs. His 563 career home runs tie him with Reggie Jackson for 10th on the all-time home run list.

    Griffey, 37, has been plagued by injuries since he joined the Reds before the 2000 season. He played 145 games that year but has not come close to that mark since.

    Last season, a strained tendon in his right knee in April put Griffey on the disabled list for a month. A dislocated right toe suffered September 4 while trying to climb the outfield fence to make a catch limited him to just two pinch-hit at-bats over Cincinnati's last 24 games. >>

    Am I speaking Chinese?



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  • gregmo32gregmo32 Posts: 2,648 ✭✭✭
    Imagine, if you will, in today's game, a sort of skinny, fantastic defensive center fielder, with a .300 career average and 600 HR's -- despite being injury prone.

    And if we knew THEN, what we know NOW... how good do those seasons look where he was belting 50+ HR's (winning gold gloves, batting .300) and coming in second or third in HR's to Lou Ferigno and Lee Haney?

    He would certainly look like he did earlier in his career - like a once-in-a-generation player and an All Time Great!
    I am buying and trading for RC's of Wilt Chamberlain, George Mikan, Bill Russell, Oscar Robertson, Jerry West, and Bob Cousy!
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  • Calling Griffey Jr. a flash in the pan is one of the most ignorant statements I have ever heard. The guy put up enormous numbers for 12 seasons before the injuries hit him. 12 years is long enough to qualify for the Hall of Fame. He could have retired right then and been a lock. In his 12th season alone the guy had 40 hrs and 118 RBI, and he was with the Reds by then, I might add. Griffey had 438 hrs in just those first 12 years. This is more than Jim Rice hit in his career and is exactly how many Andre Dawson hit. Both of these guys will probably eventually end up in Cooperstown.
  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,970 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Again, the whole thing is ridiculas. Im just suprised so many people (including myself) would even respond to anyone saying Griffey is not a HOF'er.
  • Griffey is a god
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