Yankees and Igawa
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Looks like the Yanks inked a 5 year 20 million dollar deal. I believe their bid to negotiate was around the 25 million range. This will put Igawa around the 9 million dollar per year investment.
A good investment? Like D-Mat, will be hard to guage until he throws some innings in the bigs. Looks like he will be battling Pavano for the 5th starter spot. With his age, I could see Igawa in middle relief this year and the Yanks letting Pavano begin the season as a starter, barring no injuries.
The Yankees really do look good with young arms coming into the next 2-3 years!
A good investment? Like D-Mat, will be hard to guage until he throws some innings in the bigs. Looks like he will be battling Pavano for the 5th starter spot. With his age, I could see Igawa in middle relief this year and the Yanks letting Pavano begin the season as a starter, barring no injuries.
The Yankees really do look good with young arms coming into the next 2-3 years!
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<< <i>Looks like the Yanks inked a 5 year 20 million dollar deal. I believe their bid to negotiate was around the 25 million range. This will put Igawa around the 9 million dollar per year investment.
A good investment? Like D-Mat, will be hard to guage until he throws some innings in the bigs. Looks like he will be battling Pavano for the 5th starter spot. With his age, I could see Igawa in middle relief this year and the Yanks letting Pavano begin the season as a starter, barring no injuries.
The Yankees really do look good with young arms coming into the next 2-3 years! >>
Detroit gets some thanks for this. It would be interesting to actually see Pavano pitch again past April.
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Anyway, I was just curious to see if anyone else thought this was a good investment. Or maybe even a safer investment than D-Mat.
Everyone, please refrain from posting your opinions.
<< <i>Why am I not surprised to see this thread? So, it's okay for the Yanks to spend $9M a season on a guy who might either be a 5th starter or headed to the bullpen as a middle reliever? A guy who is nowhere near the talent level of Matsuzaka, yet you guys are quick to point fingers at Boston for signing him - and he projects to be a front of the rotation starter. >>
Thats fine Jer ..... they both might be busts. Hey just because the Red Sox acted like children in a candy factory with fists full of money and blowing 100 million PLUS on a guy who "might" be a front of the rotation guy is not a reason to come whining about it.
Spring will answer all questions. We will find out if Matsuzaka is truly a ace. If he is not a ACE, then the huge amount of money spent by the Red SOx will look more foolish and frivilous then it does now. And Igawa? Hey, he was cheaper then Gil Meche and Ted Lilly!
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<< <i>Sorry CT, I'll try to refrain from bringing up a Yankees topic on the Sports Talk Thread next time. Either that or maybe you should skip by it.
Anyway, I was just curious to see if anyone else thought this was a good investment. Or maybe even a safer investment than D-Mat.
Everyone, please refrain from posting your opinions. >>
Please, post away - but just realize how crazy this sounds. I know the Yankees got burned by a craftier Red Sox front office on the Matsuzaka dealings, and picked up the far more lightly regarded Igawa to try and keep up. But, $9M for a guy who even NY writers are saying is a marginal junk ball pitcher at best, is a good investment?
The Yankees only bid $7M more for Matsuzaka than they did for Igawa. Amazing, if you think about it.
How are the Red SOx "craftier"? Because they plunked down a absurd bid?
Well in that case, all of the years you have been crying about the Yankees spending meant you were simply jealous of their "craftiness"
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<< <i> But, $9M for a guy who even NY writers are saying is a marginal junk ball pitcher at best, is a good investment?
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Please post any proof that writers are calling him a "junk ball" pitcher. You can't just make stuff up Jer .... you should know better. I have already showed you that in the last 3 years Igawa has the SAME amount of strikeouts as wonderboy. So .... D-Mat is a junkballer too?
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The Yankees only bid $7M more for Matsuzaka than they did for Igawa. Amazing, if you think about it. >>
That is because the wreckless big market Red SOx blew up the market with that insane 51 million dollar bid for wonderboy
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As Dan said, Red Sox won the D-Mat bid that was outrageous. They are paying more for D-Mat than they would have for Zito! REAL crafty!
Thinking they were blocking the Yankees, the Yankees were 3rd in bidding! Do you think any of the Red Sox management were plunking themselves in the head wondering how they could have bid 14 MILLION more than the next highest bid?
Im not disagreeing that Igawa may be an unnecessary investment. Like D-Mat, we will see when he throws some innings in the bigs.
A couple things that I would guess the Yanks like about Igawa is that he can strike people out (NO, not such a junk ball pitcher) and that he is a left handed arm in Yankee Stadium.
Only time will tell who made a good investment, if either.
Dan, I never make stuff up - you should know that by now...
Here's some quotes from LI Newsday, after the Yanks won the bidding rights to this guy -
<< <i>The Yankees' large posting bid surprised the baseball world because scouts have not been overly impressed with the 27-year-old. One international scout who has seen Igawa pitch multiple times told Newsday, "I wouldn't mind having him on my team - he's no dud. But wow. That's a large chunk of change for a guy who is ... not going to knock your eyes out." One person who follows Japanese baseball closely called him "a thin David Wells" because of his repertoire. Igawa throws a fastball, changeup and curveball, and the scout said his curve could be his best pitch if he learned to control it.
Igawa's pitches were on full display this month at the Japan All-Star series and he did not impress scouts, giving up two runs with six walks in six uneven innings against Major League Baseball's team.
David Wright crushed a pitch over the leftfield wall, and the NL scout said, "I've never see a ball hit that far in that facility."
Even Wright seemed to question Igawa's major-league potential, telling Newsday after that game, "I just don't know. I'd have to see him when he's in midseason form. You send a guy up there after a month layoff and you can't get a handle on a guy."
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Also, from the NY Times that same day -
<< <i>“He’s nowhere near Matsuzaka,” said a Pacific Rim scout who was granted anonymity because he was not authorized to share scouting reports. “He’s down the list a ways as far as his stuff and his ability to make pitches. But he’s left-handed and he could fit in on a club that needs someone in the fourth or fifth slot.”
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And, crazy old man Murray Chass (a NY Times writer who has the biggest agenda when it comes to the Red Sox of any professional sports writer) said this -
<< <i>The Yankees would be ecstatic if they could get twice the pitcher for half the price. Right now, though, they have the poor man’s Matsuzaka.
Not a team to let money burn a hole in its pockets, the Yankees took the $33 million they did not spend on a winning bid for Daisuke Matsuzaka, a 26-year-old right-hander, and used it to bid for another Japanese pitcher, Kei Igawa, a 27-year-old left-hander.
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His stats are available, and they show him to have had moderate success against Japanese pitching the last few years. And, when you factor in the posting fee and luxury tax the Yanks have to pay, Igawa will cost them $10M a season.
But, they had to show the Red Sox, right?
<< <i>His stats are available, and they show him to have had moderate success against Japanese pitching the last few years. And, when you factor in the posting fee and luxury tax the Yanks have to pay, Igawa will cost them $10M a season. >>
Where are the articles calling him a "junkball pitcher" ???????? THAT is what I asked from you Jer ..... because THAT is what you claim. I challenge you once again. These two pitchers who have the SAME strikeout stats the last three years pitching in the SAME league are so far apart like the Boston hype maching will have you believe? One guy is a junkball pitcher and one guy is the savior with the SAME strikeout totals in the last THREE years combined???????
The Yankees very well may have gotten the better deal here. "D-Mat" has no other option then become the ACE of the Sox staff. Anything less will lead to the lynching of Theo Epstein. Igawa can blend in and help the Yankees either in the rotation or the bullpen without the overpriced tag on him.
Also, Jerry is so eager to count the posting bid in with Igawa's salary and then tack on luxury tax. Yet, he refuses to add in wonderboy's posting bid to the cost of the Red Sox. Under the same thought process of Jerry's extremely flawed finances it will be costing the Red SOx 20 million per year for D-Mat if he ever reaches any of the performance numbers in his contract.
Now, the Yankees had to show the Sox what? How to be a third place team with way over hyped farm hands that will almost certainly never be quality big leaguers? Yeah right!
THAT along with the hilarious contract thrown at J.D. Drew and combined with the rest of the Sox ..... they are not far off from the luxury tax threshhold either.
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D-Mat has to be Johan Santana-ish while Igawa has to be Gil Meche-ish (actually not even!)
And what is LI Newsday? Even news worthy enough to quote? I dont think so! LOL
A poor man's D-Mat...I'll take that! And as pointed out, a lefty in Yankee Stadium! And a guy who can be a 4th or 5th starter...I dont see much wrong with that if he eats up innings and can give his team a chance to win!
I would like to know how signing Igawa shows up the Red Sox? Maybe because Im a Yanks fan? but Im seeing a signing of a left handed arm that can strike some guys out and is exactly what the Yankees were looking for.
He is also young enough to be given some teachings from a major league pitching coach (As the same will be for D-Mat) to help him be successful in MLB.
Damn, I cant wait for the season to begin! Woooo hoooooo!!!
<< <i>Not only that Dan, but I havent seen anyone claim that Igawa is the pitcher that D-Mat is.
D-Mat has to be Johan Santana-ish while Igawa has to be Gil Meche-ish (actually not even!)
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Jerry is the ONLY person comparing the two. He feels the need because of the enormity of wonderboys contract. It does not matter that Igawa's contract is dog food compared with many of the contracts handed out to mediocre guys this off-season. The only thing that matters is trying to deflect any attention involving the outrageous money being blown by the newest of baseballs super markets.
I still want to know how the Red SOx were "craftier" then the Yankees by plunking down 51 million dollars in a bid
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