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quarterback rating???

Officially the most unimportant stat in my mind now.

Manning is 26 of 29 with 4 touchdowns and 0 interceptions so far tonight.

Let me repeat..........26 of 29 with 4 TOUCHDOWNS AND ZERO INTERCEPTIONS...........

and he has a QB rating of 141.

Not near the 158 perfect rating.

What's a guy gotta do??

Go Colts!!!!

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  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,694 ✭✭✭✭✭
    He still hasn't won a Super Bowl, though...


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  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,656 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yea Theisman mentioned that during the game and I agree, it is a weird stat.
  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,656 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>He still hasn't won a Super Bowl, though... >>





    He still is one of the best QB's though...
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,694 ✭✭✭✭✭
    < He still hasn't won a Super Bowl, though... >>





    He still is one of the best QB's though...


    Regular season, I agree 100%/


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  • BigRedMachineBigRedMachine Posts: 2,563 ✭✭✭
    I don't want to let my man-crush for Manning show but............

    Football is the ultimate team sport. Manning's defense sucks, and there is NOTHING he can do about it. One guy can't win a Super Bowl.

    It's why guys like Doug Williams and Trent Dilfer have a ring, and guys like Dan Marino and Dan Fouts do not. If you can't see past that, I won't waste my time argueing. It's absurd.

    shawn
  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,656 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I don't want to let my man-crush for Manning show but............

    Football is the ultimate team sport. Manning's defense sucks, and there is NOTHING he can do about it. One guy can't win a Super Bowl.

    It's why guys like Doug Williams and Trent Dilfer have a ring, and guys like Dan Marino and Dan Fouts do not. If you can't see past that, I won't waste my time argueing. It's absurd.

    shawn >>




    Agreed 100 PERCENT. Thank You
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,694 ✭✭✭✭✭
    All that is well and good, but great QBs are judged by championships and until Manning wins one, he'll always have that stigma attached to him like John Elway did before he won those 2 Super Bowls.

    I'm not saying it's fair, but that's the way it is, and any QB who claims otherwise is lying.

    Edit: Indy also had the #2 ranked Defense in the NFL last season.


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  • I agree 100% too, except I'm not sure what I'm agreeing to. I was too busy looking at PerkDog's FSU gals!! How did they come up with 158 as perfect anyway?
  • wolfbearwolfbear Posts: 2,759 ✭✭✭


    << <i>26 of 29 with 4 TOUCHDOWNS AND ZERO INTERCEPTIONS...........
    and he has a QB rating of 141.
    Not near the 158 perfect rating.
    What's a guy gotta do?? >>



    It's because 90 % of his passes were of the little dink variety.
    Nothing wrong with a 141 rating. Most QB's would kill for one that high.

    It was very effective and that's what's important,
    but to get a perfect rating you have to throw some completions down the field once in a while.

    Here's the QB rating link page.

    It's kind of fun to punch in different numbers and see how the rating changes.


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  • joestalinjoestalin Posts: 12,473 ✭✭
    by my calculations, you have to have at least 300 yards passing and 4 TD's to get the 158?

    js


  • << <i>by my calculations, you have to have at least 300 yards passing and 4 TD's to get the 158?

    js >>



    If you throw one pass for 100 yards and a touchdown, you get 158.333333333

    The thing I don't like about these stats is that it might have nothing to do with the QB. If the QB tosses one to the WR one yard past the line of scrimmage and he then runs the ball 99 yards for a touchdown, the QB gets credit for 100 yards passing and a TD when he may have had very little to do with it.

    In general, I don't like individual stats in football. I wonder how things would work if every player on the field at the time of a play got credit.

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  • I just backed out the values you need to get a perfect rating of 158.33333333

    Completions/Attempt greater than or equal to 0.775
    Touchdowns/Attempt greater than or equal to 0.119
    Zero interceptions
    Yards/Attempt greater than or equal to 12.5

    Robert
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    Any high grade OPC Jim Palmer
    High grade Redskins (pre 1980)
  • IrishMikeIrishMike Posts: 7,737 ✭✭✭
    They have these silly stats because folks talk about them. Someone is always trying to quantify everything. There is no quantifiable measure of greatness. We just like to argue about it. Anyone remember superbowl XXXV? Dilfer completes 12 passes for 153 yards and wins the superbowl. Next year he gets replaced by Grbac. Was he a great QB?
  • BigRedMachineBigRedMachine Posts: 2,563 ✭✭✭
    Thanks for the link wolfbear.

    shawn
  • I believe it has shown in the past how this formula isn't really that good, nor accurate in common sense or logic. I forgot exactly how, but I punched a couple of numbers in to show. Either this site isn't working right, or the formula is way off. For example.

    Which of these two passing lines do you think would tend to score more points, and ultimately win you more games?

    1 for 2 with 20 yards ....0 INT 0 TD

    or

    1 for 3 with 95 yards....0 INT 0 TD

    The first one comes up with an 85.4 passer rating.
    The second one comes up with an 81.9 passer rating.

    Common sense says that the guy with 95 yards has guaranteed a field goal attempt, or given a superb opportunity for a TD. Any way you look at it, the second guy is doing more for scoring and winning.

    I don't know. Either the site is messed up, or the formula isn't very accurate.
  • 3 for 7 299 yds = 89.8

    4 for 7 80 yds = 97.3

    ????What?
  • BigRedMachineBigRedMachine Posts: 2,563 ✭✭✭


    << <i>3 for 7 299 yds = 89.8

    4 for 7 80 yds = 97.3

    ????What? >>



    You got me?image
  • ziggy29ziggy29 Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Which of these two passing lines do you think would tend to score more points, and ultimately win you more games?

    1 for 2 with 20 yards ....0 INT 0 TD

    or

    1 for 3 with 95 yards....0 INT 0 TD

    The first one comes up with an 85.4 passer rating.
    The second one comes up with an 81.9 passer rating.

    Common sense says that the guy with 95 yards has guaranteed a field goal attempt, or given a superb opportunity for a TD. Any way you look at it, the second guy is doing more for scoring and winning.

    I don't know. Either the site is messed up, or the formula isn't very accurate. >>

    True. Sounds like they are weighting completion percentage more than yardage. Seems to me that you could combine the two in one measure -- "yards per attempt" -- and all else being equal (i.e. same number of TDs and picks), the higher yards per attempt would be a higher rating.

    Of course, considering TDs and INTs has its own set of problems, too. A guy who throws a Hail Mary in the last play of the first half and gets it picked off -- basically a harmless interception -- is penalized as much as the guy who throws a bad pick in the end zone while driving for a potential game-winning score.
  • QB's today are not anything but dump pass or running QB.
    Check your stats, how many 15+ yard attempts? Not 15 yard pass play(dump & run).
    Most long pass attempts are @ the end of half or game.
    Football has become more about stats and high percentage plays.
    Team has 3rd & 1,most throw 1 yard out to WR. Take away all those dump passes and you'll see the actual STAR QB"s.
    IMHO
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