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Do all of yourselves a HUGE favor and wear brown paper bags to the Garden. What a joke this franchise has become ..... and it was already BAD before the brawl.
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ISIAH should have been suspended 15 games!!!
the only reason Isiah is where he is , is because hes a SMOOOOOOTH talker, it sounds like he knows what he is talking about....
But many NBA fans know this to be NOT TRUE....Isiah wants to make a whole team up of 6-2 guards...that doesnt work....
BEST THING TO DO IS NOT WEAR BAGS, its DONT GO TO THE GAMES then maybe Dolan will get the POINT
DONT GO TO THE GAMES!
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BEST THING TO DO IS NOT WEAR BAGS, its DONT GO TO THE GAMES then maybe Dolan will get the POINT
DONT GO TO THE GAMES! >>
that would do well tooo .... although those who do go should wear bags. Nice peaceful way to protest utter disgust of the franchise
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BEST THING TO DO IS NOT WEAR BAGS, its DONT GO TO THE GAMES then maybe Dolan will get the POINT
DONT GO TO THE GAMES! >>
that would do well tooo .... although those who do go should wear bags. Nice peaceful way to protest utter disgust of the franchise
My thoughts on the Knicks have lightened considerably over the past 48 hours. Let's face it-- basketball fights are fun. So are hockey fights, of course, but a good hoops brawl is a close second. In any case a brawl is certainly better entertainment then game 24 or whatever of the regular season. David Stern wants to get rid of this stuff, but what he forgets is that in its best years (I'm thinking '85 to '95) there were some great fights between teams that really didn't like each other. He's under the impression that on-court violence needs to be dealt with swiftly, but he's barking up the wrong tree; fighting isn't the problem-- apathy is. If people aren't consuming his product in the quantity that would suit him it's not because the players have too many tattoos, or wear cornrows or old Wash. Bullets gear on the sideline. It's because the league consists of about 450 filthy rich pot smokers who've never taken the time to learn the game of basketball, aren't interested in learning now that they've been paid, and can't even be bothered to pretend that they have any real emotional investment in the outcomes of their games.
At least a good fight suggests that someone out there still gives a rip-- and that's a good sign, IMO, especially from a league where it frequently seems fair to question the players' desire.
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BEST THING TO DO IS NOT WEAR BAGS, its DONT GO TO THE GAMES then maybe Dolan will get the POINT
DONT GO TO THE GAMES! >>
that would do well tooo .... although those who do go should wear bags. Nice peaceful way to protest utter disgust of the franchise
You see, this is why people hate NY sports fans. The Knicks have only sucked for six years now, and six years doesn't even get you in the door in places like, well, Detroit (Lions), L.A. (Clippers), New Orleans (Saints), Arizona (Cardinals), Chicago (Cubs) and so forth. Heck, in 2000 the Knicks went to the Conference Finals. You try and tell a KC Royals fans how tough it is to be stuck with the Knicks, then come back and tell us how that went over.
Sorry, but NY sports fans shouldn't be moaning about how tough it is being stuck with the Knicks as their representative franchise in the NBA. They've hit a bad patch with a lousy GM, but it's not like you guys are burdened with a franchise that has nothing behind it but a history of ineptitude.
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You see, this is why people hate NY sports fans. The Knicks have only sucked for six years now, and six years doesn't even get you in the door in places like, well, Detroit (Lions), L.A. (Clippers), New Orleans (Saints), Arizona (Cardinals), Chicago (Cubs) and so forth. Heck, in 2000 the Knicks went to the Conference Finals. You try and tell a KC Royals fans how tough it is to be stuck with the Knicks, then come back and tell us how that went over.
Sorry, but NY sports fans shouldn't be moaning about how tough it is being stuck with the Knicks as their representative franchise in the NBA. They've hit a bad patch with a lousy GM, but it's not like you guys are burdened with a franchise that has nothing behind it but a history of ineptitude. >>
I am not a NY Knicks fan. I have been a New Jersey Nets fan since Dr. J had a afro.
Now, I appreciate your analysis. And trust me, it has nothing to do with you Boo. but your comments above are pretty much garbage. Yep, not a ounce truth.
In your eyes "people" dislike NY sports fans because after six years fans want a winner? They can't complain about a sorry franchise just because other unlucky areas have had to deal with ineptness for generations? Nah .... thats garbage. Fans of citys around the NBA or any other sport have the perfect right to show disdain for ineptness. So, it is pretty interesting that a fan outside of NY feels he can tell NY fans what they should or shouldn't be moaning about. If other places demanded a winner like the NY area and a few other areas do then maybe some of these other sad sack franchises would be better.
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<< <i> that would do well tooo .... although those who do go should wear bags. Nice peaceful way to protest utter disgust of the franchise
My thoughts on the Knicks have lightened considerably over the past 48 hours. Let's face it-- basketball fights are fun. So are hockey fights, of course, but a good hoops brawl is a close second. In any case a brawl is certainly better entertainment then game 24 or whatever of the regular season. David Stern wants to get rid of this stuff, but what he forgets is that in its best years (I'm thinking '85 to '95) there were some great fights between teams that really didn't like each other. He's under the impression that on-court violence needs to be dealt with swiftly, but he's barking up the wrong tree; fighting isn't the problem-- apathy is. If people aren't consuming his product in the quantity that would suit him it's not because the players have too many tattoos, or wear cornrows or old Wash. Bullets gear on the sideline. It's because the league consists of about 450 filthy rich pot smokers who've never taken the time to learn the game of basketball, aren't interested in learning now that they've been paid, and can't even be bothered to pretend that they have any real emotional investment in the outcomes of their games.
At least a good fight suggests that someone out there still gives a rip-- and that's a good sign, IMO, especially from a league where it frequently seems fair to question the players' desire. >>
So what are your thoughts if one of those idiots plastered a child in those front rows? Fighting has no place in the NBA.
Tell me Boo, how do you in one post admonish NY area fans for having the gall to complain about its poorly run franchises and its a reason so many people "hate" NY sports fans ...... and then in another post try and find a reason that all out brawls like the other night that spill into the stands and endanger citizens have a place in the game ????/
Hitting the EGG NOG tonight Boo?
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<< <i> that would do well tooo .... although those who do go should wear bags. Nice peaceful way to protest utter disgust of the franchise
My thoughts on the Knicks have lightened considerably over the past 48 hours. Let's face it-- basketball fights are fun. So are hockey fights, of course, but a good hoops brawl is a close second. In any case a brawl is certainly better entertainment then game 24 or whatever of the regular season. David Stern wants to get rid of this stuff, but what he forgets is that in its best years (I'm thinking '85 to '95) there were some great fights between teams that really didn't like each other. He's under the impression that on-court violence needs to be dealt with swiftly, but he's barking up the wrong tree; fighting isn't the problem-- apathy is. If people aren't consuming his product in the quantity that would suit him it's not because the players have too many tattoos, or wear cornrows or old Wash. Bullets gear on the sideline. It's because the league consists of about 450 filthy rich pot smokers who've never taken the time to learn the game of basketball, aren't interested in learning now that they've been paid, and can't even be bothered to pretend that they have any real emotional investment in the outcomes of their games.
At least a good fight suggests that someone out there still gives a rip-- and that's a good sign, IMO, especially from a league where it frequently seems fair to question the players' desire. >>
So what are your thoughts if one of those idiots plastered a child in those front rows? Fighting has no place in the NBA.
Tell me Boo, how do you in one post admonish NY area fans for having the gall to complain about its poorly run franchises and its a reason so many people "hate" NY sports fans ...... and then in another post try and find a reason that all out brawls like the other night that spill into the stands and endanger citizens have a place in the game ????/
Hitting the EGG NOG tonight Boo?
A good fight always has a place in any professional sports league. If a kid got injured then (duh) that would be a tragedy. Just as it would be a tragedy if a bat boy got trampled under foot and died in the wake of a bench clearing baseball fight.
The Knicks suck now, but they won't suck forever. Although I do think it's silly that you think some level of 'fan intolerance' would ever be responsible for a reversal in the fortunes of a hitherto inept franchise.
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You see, this is why people hate NY sports fans. The Knicks have only sucked for six years now, and six years doesn't even get you in the door in places like, well, Detroit (Lions), L.A. (Clippers), New Orleans (Saints), Arizona (Cardinals), Chicago (Cubs) and so forth. Heck, in 2000 the Knicks went to the Conference Finals. You try and tell a KC Royals fans how tough it is to be stuck with the Knicks, then come back and tell us how that went over.
Sorry, but NY sports fans shouldn't be moaning about how tough it is being stuck with the Knicks as their representative franchise in the NBA. They've hit a bad patch with a lousy GM, but it's not like you guys are burdened with a franchise that has nothing behind it but a history of ineptitude. >>
I am not a NY Knicks fan. I have been a New Jersey Nets fan since Dr. J had a afro.
Now, I appreciate your analysis. And trust me, it has nothing to do with you Boo. but your comments above are pretty much garbage. Yep, not a ounce truth.
In your eyes "people" dislike NY sports fans because after six years fans want a winner? They can't complain about a sorry franchise just because other unlucky areas have had to deal with ineptness for generations? Nah .... thats garbage. Fans of citys around the NBA or any other sport have the perfect right to show disdain for ineptness. So, it is pretty interesting that a fan outside of NY feels he can tell NY fans what they should or shouldn't be moaning about. If other places demanded a winner like the NY area and a few other areas do then maybe some of these other sad sack franchises would be better. >>
Oh, for God's sake. Look-- I don't know if anyone else in the free world dislikes NY sports fans. Hell, I don't even dislike NY sports fans. And if said fans want to rail on about the Knicks then that's fine with me. I'm just generally making a point about keeping the Knicks' recent misfortunes in perspective-- of course they 'can complain' about their team. I'd like to think it would be clear to you now, after two years or so of exchanging posts on these boards, that I don't take sports all that seriously--- or, for that matter, that I don't take 'serious fans' all that seriously-- so anything I say on a subject like this is going to laced with at least a touch of irony.
And quit getting so defensive. There are enough people on these boards who squeal like little girls every time they feel like their toes (or their teams, if you prefer) have been stepped on. We don't need to add another to the list.
Then you said "Oh, for God's sake. Look-- I don't know if anyone else in the free world dislikes NY sports fans"
You said "
Sorry, but NY sports fans shouldn't be moaning about how tough it is being stuck with the Knicks as their representative franchise in the NBA"
Then you said "of course they 'can complain' about their team."
<< <i>And quit getting so defensive. There are enough people on these boards who squeal like little girls every time they feel like their toes (or their teams, if you prefer) have been stepped on. We don't need to add another to the list. >>
I was just responding to a couple of pretty strong and wrong comments. Those rants deserved an answer. And I don't care about your "list" Put me on it 100 times for all I care.
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<< <i>You said "You see, this is why people hate NY sports fans"
Then you said "Oh, for God's sake. Look-- I don't know if anyone else in the free world dislikes NY sports fans"
You said "
Sorry, but NY sports fans shouldn't be moaning about how tough it is being stuck with the Knicks as their representative franchise in the NBA"
Then you said "of course they 'can complain' about their team."
<< <i>And quit getting so defensive. There are enough people on these boards who squeal like little girls every time they feel like their toes (or their teams, if you prefer) have been stepped on. We don't need to add another to the list. >>
I was just responding to a couple of pretty strong and wrong comments. Those rants deserved an answer. And I don't care about your "list" Put me on it 100 times for all I care.
Right-o. I used to think that righteousness was the calling card of the Internet poster, but now you've got me curious: Has indignation lapped it?
It's just sports, Dan. If you want to scream to the high heavens about the unwashed hordes from the Midwest (and other points West) hurling insults at the Big Apple, then good on ya. But consider the words of Henry Kissinger: When speaking once about academics he said (and this is a paraphrase) "The reason debates in academe get so nasty is because, ultimately, so very little is at stake".
But alas, we move on. If kicking me in line gave you that warm, fuzzy feeling that's usually reserved for nights spent with good Scotch and pretty redheads then hey-- I'm glad I could contribute. And no, I actually don't have a 'list'. Just as I don't have an insatiable hatred for everything that takes place near the Hudson River. But isn't it fun to pretend that I do?
Have a safe and happy Holiday season Boo
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<< <i>Sorry, but NY sports fans shouldn't be moaning about how tough it is being stuck with the Knicks as their representative franchise in the NBA. They've hit a bad patch with a lousy GM, but it's not like you guys are burdened with a franchise that has nothing behind it but a history of ineptitude. >>
Not only that, but when a New York team sucks, it's usually self-inflicted due to bad management (or a temporary condition like a rash of injuries).
It's not like a New York team is ever going to be at a long-term competitive disadvantage because of the economics of the game.
<< <i>You said "You see, this is why people hate NY sports fans"
Then you said "Oh, for God's sake. Look-- I don't know if anyone else in the free world dislikes NY sports fans"
You said "
Sorry, but NY sports fans shouldn't be moaning about how tough it is being stuck with the Knicks as their representative franchise in the NBA"
Then you said "of course they 'can complain' about their team."
<< <i>And quit getting so defensive. There are enough people on these boards who squeal like little girls every time they feel like their toes (or their teams, if you prefer) have been stepped on. We don't need to add another to the list. >>
I was just responding to a couple of pretty strong and wrong comments. Those rants deserved an answer. And I don't care about your "list" Put me on it 100 times for all I care.
Boo,
You can add me to that list all you want also.
Lately I am really surprised at some of the crap I have heard you spew. Is there some medication you have been forgetting to take ?
Id really love to know where some of the self serving, know it all nonsense that has been spewing from that hole 6 inches above your neck has been caused by.
If your aim is to lose all respect and credibility around here you are well on your way with quite a few people.
-- Yogi Berra
<< <i>Wait, the Knicks still have fans????? >>
Nah.
-- Yogi Berra
1) One of the top 5 centers in the game. Say what you want about Eddy Curry - he JUST turned 24 and he's turning into a monster - he can be so unstoppable at times it's not funny. When he brings it every night (like he has for the last 10 games or so) he goes for 25-30 with 8-10 rebounds. He's getting better at recognizing the double team and hitting the open guy. Last year was a lost season of development for him, one I blame on Larry Brown (more on him later).
2) Two emerging stars in Frye and Lee. Say what you want about Isiah but the man can draft. Frye has a good inside/outside game and has regained his confidence after last seasons sporadic PT. I can't say enough abot Tenacious Lee. Averaging a double double when he starts, providing spark and 10 boards when he comes off the bench. Best white PF since, well ???? and I'm sure Dolan doesn't mind a guy the fans can feel they relate to to put behinds in seats. That tip-in with .01 to beat the Bobcats was one of the sickest plays I've ever seen.
3) A decent, young, core. Lee, Frye, Balkman (another great draft pick), Curry, Jeffries, Crawford, Robinson, and Collins all have their primes in front of them. Steph is playing better (and though I don't really like the guy, he is a team key and does some nice things for underpriveleged kids).
4) No more next-town Brown. This is where the venom should be pointed. Dude sandbagged us last year, turned us into Team Titanic. Won a championship with a great team and his head got too big to fit in the front doors at MSG. He turned this team to crap, running an offense that did not fit these players, butting heads with everyone on the team, and putting out the most ridiculous lineups night in and night out. 25 games under .500, starting Malik Rose and Mo Taylor, not developing the kids, requesting the disastrous jalen Rose and Steve Francis deals, so much more... Why he chose to sabotage the Knicks I don't know, but I'm glad he's gone on to the next 5 teams he'll coach.
This team is destined for failure in the minds of many fans and the snakes (like Peter Vecsey) in the NY media. Isiah gets thrown on the back page of the Post wearing a clown suit, you'd never see Doogie Frank treated that way, despite the Nets poor showing so far. If "fans " aren't watching or going to the Garden, they are missing out on a lot of fun - F last year, these guys don't quit, are resiliant, and can win any game. These three OT wins the last couple of weeks have been a pleasure to watch. They would have lost all of these games in the last couple of years, but no quit - they were down 5 in 2 of the OTs last night, and down 4 in the 2nd OT with 10 seconds to go, against the best team in the East with a still-depleted roster (like when they beat Utah with 8 guys last week).
So we're not going to win a championship this year, or next. This team is better and more fun to watch than it has been in years, and for the first time in a while there seems to be light and the end of the tunnel. Cry about the Curry deal if you want, but I've seen Tyrus Thomas play and we got the better end of this one.. We aren't finishing with the worst record this year, so Chicago won't get the No. 1 pick that will be Greg Oden, and there will be nothing to lament.
Watch a game or 3 or 4 before you write these Knicks off. See how entertaining they are, how they are coming together as a team, how kids are learing to play and win like men. Have fun watching this, and for once have some patience - life isn't always about winning right away. That's why we have the Yankees -
2. Ticket prices are through the roof
3. The Garden used to be the number one place to be during the late 60s, through the 70s and 80s--its nowheresville now. Its hard to GIVE tickets away.
4. However, last night's game against Detroit gives some hope for the future.