1878 7TF VAM help needed - - -

Yale68

The VAM 187 has an unusual and distinctive doubled R (in PLURIBUS). Are there any other VAMs that have this same doubled R?

Here is why I ask - - I have a 1878 7TF Morgan that was labeled VAM 187 (incorrectly) in a SEGS holder. It has the strongly doubled R (in PLURIBUS), but it does NOT have the B2c reverse of a VAM 187. The obverse is a Type II, and the reverse is a B2a (i.e. short nock with a closed"o"). I can't find anything in the VAM book that matches these characteristics. Any ideas??

Coxe

The only one that comes to mind with a doubled motto is 133 (and maybe 134), but it doess not have that characteristic extra foot on the right of the R. Leroy may have mistakenly attributed the 187 reverse as B2c. Check for the spikes at the front of the eye. If there are present, you have at least the 187 obverse and Leroy needs to revise 187 or give you a new designation. If not, this might be a new doubled motto obverse as unlikely as that might be.

jdsinva

I want to say off the top of my head maybe 111 or 114 or something like that, check some of those images. . .

Coxe

<< <i>I want to say off the top of my head maybe 111 or 114 or something like that, check some of those images. . . >>



Those are not Type II obverses.

Wolf359

<< <i>The VAM 187 has an unusual and distinctive doubled R (in PLURIBUS). Are there any other VAMs that have this same doubled R?

Here is why I ask - - I have a 1878 7TF Morgan that was labeled VAM 187 (incorrectly) in a SEGS holder. It has the strongly doubled R (in PLURIBUS), but it does NOT have the B2c reverse of a VAM 187. The obverse is a Type II, and the reverse is a B2a (i.e. short nock with a closed"o"). I can't find anything in the VAM book that matches these characteristics. Any ideas?? >>



I have a VAM-187 in MS62 in my set. The 'r' in 'trust' is broken. Other possibilities are VAM-123, 111, and 114. Can you share a photo?

The 1878-S VAM-22 also looks like a polished down version of VAM-187, however I've analyzed this to death and the obverses are different.

jdsinva

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<< <i>I want to say off the top of my head maybe 111 or 114 or something like that, check some of those images. . . >>



Those are not Type II obverses. >>



My apologies for presenting incorrect information. . .

Yale68

The VAMs suggested so far either have Type II/I obverses (e.g. the 111 and 114), so they can't be right, or they don't have the same type of doubled R (e.g. the 133). My coin has that crazy looking R with the doubling so strong at the top that there is a gap between the two parts, as seen on the 187. But it does not have the "broken r" in "trust" on the reverse. Will try to post a picture when I get home.

messydesk

VAM 187 should have a B2d reverse. B2c is VAMs 160-171. I have one I can look at later. The obverse is unique to the 7TFs.

AU58WALKERS

no way I could help

Yale68

John - - according to my VAM book, the 187 has the B2c reverse. Is it wrong?

messydesk

OK, I was mistaken. 187 has B2c reverse. My 187 does as well, with the 'r' clearly broken. Looking forward to the pictures. The VAM 133 has a doubled R with separation at the top, but it's not as strong as the VAM 187.

Coxe

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<< <i>I want to say off the top of my head maybe 111 or 114 or something like that, check some of those images. . . >>



Those are not Type II obverses. >>



My apologies for presenting incorrect information. . . >>



I apologize if my reply was received as confrontational, as that was not intended.

Yale68

Here are some pix, but the close-up of the R is not very good:

Coxe

I would say VAM-133 based on those limited images.

Yale68

Thanks!!

messydesk

<< <i>I would say VAM-133 based on those limited images. >>


I would concur.