Vintage Football Grades Popped - OUCH

envoy98

All I have to say is OUCH. I've had most of these sitting in card savers since the Nationals 2 years ago in Chicago. Finally get a special to submit them and I got crushed. Also wrote No Qualifiers on the sub form I thought, but I guess not. This is my worst submission ever. Hopefully my 71-Present sub isn't as bad. I honestly had just about all of these pegged one full grade higher. I'm usually about 75% on my pregrades with my misses being about equal amounts overgraded and undergraded but this one I just whiffed. I had all the 55 Bowmans pegged as 7's and I know I didn't miss any creases. The 61 Fleer Otto was so nice I bought it raw and paid SMR for a 7. My PSA 7 Starr isn't as nice as some of these 57's I submitted so I thought they'd get 7's as well. Oh well, upgrades are always fun to chase down....right?

Anyway, here's the carnage. If there are dupes, the lower grade will be available for sale or trade if anyone has any interest.

1 1956 TOPPS 44 JOE SCHMIDT 6
2 1956 TOPPS 60 LENNY MOORE 5
3 1956 TOPPS 47 BILL GEORGE 8
4 1957 TOPPS 80 HOWARD CASSADY 5
5 1957 TOPPS 124 TOMMY McDONALD 6
6 1957 TOPPS 2 PETE RETZLAFF 6ST
7 1964 TOPPS 93 ED BUDDE 7
8 1968 TOPPS 163 ANDY RUSSELL 6
9 1963 TOPPS 169 1963 ROOKIE STARS 8
10 1963 TOPPS 54 1962 ROOKIE STARS 6
11 1959 TOPPS 36 GENE LIPSCOMB 4
12 1959 TOPPS 51 SAM HUFF 6
13 1959 TOPPS 103 ALEX KARRAS 5
14 1959 TOPPS 116 JERRY KRAMER 5
15 1959 TOPPS 140 BOBBY MITCHELL 6
16 1961 TOPPS 45 HENRY JORDAN 6ST
17 1960 FLEER 76 PAUL LOWE 5
18 1960 FLEER 98 LARRY GRANTHAM 7
19 1964 TOPPS 108 JIM TYRER Not Holdered, Miscut
20 1961 FLEER 197 JIM OTTO 7
21 1961 FLEER 24 SONNY RANDLE 7
22 1962 FLEER 16 BILLY SHAW 7OC
23 1962 FLEER 30 E.J. HOLUB 8OC
24 1962 FLEER 48 CHARLIE HENNIGAN 6
25 1963 TOPPS 155 LARRY WILSON 6
26 1963 TOPPS 34 ROGER BROWN 7
27 1963 TOPPS 96 RAY NITSCHKE 3
28 1955 TOPPS ALL-AMER. 23 DICK KAZMAIER 4
29 1955 BOWMAN 70 JIM RINGO 4
30 1955 BOWMAN 62 GEORGE BLANDA 5
31 1955 BOWMAN 36 DICK STANFEL 6
32 1955 BOWMAN 14 LEN FORD 5MC
33 1955 BOWMAN 8 ALAN AMECHE 4
34 1956 TOPPS 71 STAN JONES 5
34 1956 TOPPS 71 STAN JONES 6
35 1956 TOPPS 41 ROOSEVELT BROWN 5
35 1956 TOPPS 41 ROOSEVELT BROWN 6

jimq112

Ouch!

If you decide to sell some of the lower ones I'm interested in

63 nitschke
59 kramer
61 jordan
55 ringo

let me know? thanks!

envoy98

I don't have dupes of any of those, but once I get them in if I decide not to crack and resubmit them I will let you know.

RonBurgundy

Eh, before you sell anything you need to examine them carefully for crack and resubmit candidates or to find the flaws that they did. That much variance between your expected grades and what you got is too odd for you not to examine them.




Ron

envoy98

Well I hate to admit this, but I actually was a little closer than I thought. Out of the 37 cards (36 really since one was a miscut and not graded) I was dead on on 21 of them and predicted a grade low on 4 of them. The other 11, I will take a closer look at. The 55 Bowmans really surprised me. Those ones I was literally 1-3 grades high on and I don't know why. I'll also check the OC ones that I didn't expect to see if they'll fall inline with one grade lower, unqualified. The PSA 8 Bill George is nice. it's not a low pop by any stretch (1/66) but it's a moderately tough set and it's a HOF'er, so that's always nice.

I hope my "modern" sub of 160 cards pops soon!

falcon0173

Quite a coincidence. I just received back about 60 1955 Bowman FB that I submitted. I have submitted cards from that set several times before and I was shocked as to the grades I recieved this time. I was 1-2 grades off on almost every card. That has never happened to me before. Do you think it has anything to do with it being such a popular special? I was really surprised how mine graded. Anyone have thoughts?

carew4me

falcon,
let see your results