Fantasy bust of the year
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I'd have to go with Cadillac Williams or Edgerrin James, probably Williams...
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Nice try. Have to say Shaun Alexander (I should know - I drafted him).
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<< <i>Its hard to call alexander a bust, he was injured. Its a little different. >>
Exactly...
<< <i>Its hard to call alexander a bust, he was injured. Its a little different. >>
How so?
He was taken no lower than third in most if not all fantasy drafts, and he's done nothing to show for it. Even before he went out, he only had about 200 yards total rushing.
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<< <i>If Vince Young, Matt Leinart, or any other first rounder were hurt for most of the season, would they be considered bust? No they would be considered injured. Plus the writing was on the wall for Alexander to get injured, he had 370 carries last season. You had to be very naive to think that those carries would not come back to haunt him. >>
It's an invalid comparison to take a rookie who wasn't expected to even play this year to last year's MVP.
And if a guy gets injured, he can't be considered a bust? How is that?
<< <i>I've got a fantastic idea. Why don't you guys build a 70 post thread debating whether or not a lack of production due to an injury qualifies a player as a bust? I think we can all agree that the fate of the developed world hangs upon finding an answer, and I'm sure you guys will come to some kind of consensus if you call each other enough names, so--- GO FOR IT!! >>
Okay, I'll start
A bust is someone who never plays up to their potential. A season in which a great player is sidelined due to an unforeseen injury is just that; an injured season, not a bust.
The only exception to the rule is if a hyped player never fully recovers because of injury prior to starting his career. That would be considered an unfortunate event/tragedy.
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<< <i>If Vince Young, Matt Leinart, or any other first rounder were hurt for most of the season, would they be considered bust? No they would be considered injured. Plus the writing was on the wall for Alexander to get injured, he had 370 carries last season. You had to be very naive to think that those carries would not come back to haunt him. >>
It's an invalid comparison to take a rookie who wasn't expected to even play this year to last year's MVP.
And if a guy gets injured, he can't be considered a bust? How is that? >>
1)That why i said or any other first rounder. A lot of them were expected to play and play well. Fantasy football is about projecting stats, not rewarding last years performance, so if you saw a running back with 370 carries, you should have at least realized he could were down in the next season regardless as to if he was an MVP last season or not.
2)No he cant. Granted, if a guy is injured on a yearly basis for a career than yes he would be a bust. But not for his rookie season. And that is why we can compare it. Because unless you play in a Dynasty league, Fantasy football is a season by season competition. So anyone has a chance to get injured which is why guys that have injury histories get drafted lower. And if you did any homework in your league before the draft instead of just looking blindly at last years stats, you would see that Alexander's risk of decline was high this year.
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<< <i>And if you did any homework in your league before the draft instead of just looking blindly at last years stats, you would see that Alexander's risk of decline was high this year. >>
Actually, all you had to do was look at this and know to avoid him like the plague:
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<< <i>And if you did any homework in your league before the draft instead of just looking blindly at last years stats, you would see that Alexander's risk of decline was high this year. >>
Actually, all you had to do was look at this and know to avoid him like the plague:
true dat
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1)That why i said or any other first rounder. A lot of them were expected to play and play well. Fantasy football is about projecting stats, not rewarding last years performance, so if you saw a running back with 370 carries, you should have at least realized he could were down in the next season regardless as to if he was an MVP last season or not. >>
So how can you sit there and tell me a guy who was taken #1-#3 overall, and has 515 yards though 13 games, isn't a bust this year? Look, I am by no means slamming him, but it's a bust of a year.
<< <i>2)No he cant. Granted, if a guy is injured on a yearly basis for a career than yes he would be a bust. But not for his rookie season. And that is why we can compare it. Because unless you play in a Dynasty league, Fantasy football is a season by season competition. So anyone has a chance to get injured which is why guys that have injury histories get drafted lower. And if you did any homework in your league before the draft instead of just looking blindly at last years stats, you would see that Alexander's risk of decline was high this year. >>
Oh boy here we go. Yes, let's do our home work and see a guy who has had no less than 15 TDs in each of the last 5 years...and see he was more than worthy of the #1 pick.
As a proud Alexander owner, I can say without guilt that he was by far the biggest bust of the year.
And just because he is YOUR biggest bust does not mean that a guy that has 700 yards with 1, yes 1, rushing td through 12 games is not a bigger bust. He was still drafted in the first round if you are in a 12 team league.
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<< <i>Im just gonna go ahead and make the assumption that you meant 6 games instead of 13. So 515 yards through six games isnt to bad, its actually very good. >>
No, I meant 13, because that's how many games have been played. Even using your flawed logic of 6 games, that's only 85 per game, which is terrible for a top 3 pcil
<< <i>And just because he is YOUR biggest bust does not mean that a guy that has 700 yards with 1, yes 1, rushing td through 12 games is not a bigger bust. He was still drafted in the first round if you are in a 12 team league. >>
700 yards, 515 yards.
Seems 700 yards is far, far superior. And Caddy wasn't a top 3 pick, anywhere.
Thanks for playing though!
No one in their right mind should have expected Alexander to maintain or even exceed his previous history.
In fact, two things pretty much guaranteed it.
1) Signed an 8-year deal in the off-season -> Link
2) The Madden Curse
With all things considered, how in the world can you consider Alexander a bust?
<< <i>A bust is when a player is expected to perform up to their expectations.
No one in their right mind should have expected Alexander to maintain or even exceed his previous history. >>
No one was wrong in expecting 15 TDs from the guy. NOBODY was thinking he'd equal last years record setting pace.
<< <i>In fact, two things pretty much guaranteed it.
1) Signed an 8-year deal in the off-season -> Link
2) The Madden Curse
With all things considered, how in the world can you consider Alexander a bust? >>
Madden Curse? No such thing!
But, the biggest fantasy bust? No one mentioned Randy Moss? He is absolutely invisible now, and a few weeks ago actually caught zero passes. It's like he gave up on 2006.
<< <i>Madden Curse? No such thing! >>
From Wikipedia
The "Madden Curse"
Main article: Madden curse
Prior to 2000, all of the Madden NFL game box covers prominently featured John Madden only. When EA started to have NFL players on the cover of the Madden NFL games, some later (half-jokingly) speculated that there was a "Madden curse": a coincidental series of misfortunes that befell the product's cover-athletes.
In the 2002 edition of the game, Minnesota Vikings quarterback Daunte Culpepper appeared on the cover, and suffered an injury plagued year. People started noticing a pattern with St. Louis Rams running back Marshall Faulk, who appeared on the 2003 edition cover of Madden, witnessed a sharp statistical decline the following year. The next year, Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick was injured during the 2003 preseason after posing for the cover of Madden 2004. Vick suffered a broken fibula the day after Madden 2004 was released to retailers. The injury resulted in a 5-11 year for Vick's team. Baltimore Ravens linebacker Ray Lewis broke his wrist and failed to record a single interception the season after he appeared on the cover of Madden 2005. Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb suffered two injuries during the 2005 NFL season, and the Eagles finished in last place after he posed on the cover of Madden 2006. Then Shaun Alexander suffered a broken foot and was out for more than three weeks after being on the cover of Madden 2007. In late 2006, a commercial for Madden (PS3 version) depicted the Indianapolis Colt's tight end Dallas Clark being tackled hard by an Eagles defender. A few weeks later, Clark suffered a sprained knee against the Philadelphia Eagles.
"EA officials point out that Ray Lewis and Eddie George appeared on the covers of the 2005 and 2001 versions, respectively, and had successful seasons without injury."
Curses are believed in by weak minded men.
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If Tomlinson is on the cover of Madden next year and I have the overall # 1 pick I will NOT take him.
I hope i land in your league next year with the #2 pick
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as he was in the top 3 in almost every league. I mean look at what LJ and LT are doing. Shaun isn't even around. As mentioned
Caddy and Edge have to be the next in line, they have done NOTHING, even though in defense of Caddy, if you have no passing
game, you aren't going to be able to run it.
At QB perhaps Trent Green..hurt most of the season, but put up big numbers this week. Delhomme hasn't been the superstar
he was in the last few years.
At WR you have to mention Moss. Holt hasn't been that great either.
At TE, you HAVE to mention Whitten. I had him in both leagues Im in and he didn't do squat.
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bust2 (bst)
n. A failure; a flop:
I guess it just depends on if you consider shaun alexander a failure for breaking his foot. An injury is an injury and a bust is when you dont play well.
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bust2 (bst)
n. A failure; a flop:
I guess it just depends on if you consider shaun alexander a failure for breaking his foot. An injury is an injury and a bust is when you dont play well.
Tell that to the guy who drafted him No. 1 or 2 and had to sit him on the bench all season. It may not be fair to call Alexander a "bust' in real life because of his injury (in fact, I don't think you can), because Seattle will have him healthy now for the rest of this year (presumably) and many more years to come, but the subject of this thread was about FANTASY football and this guy is on your team for one single year (usually only 13 weeks actually) and the truth of the matter is that he did absolutely NOTHING for any fantasy owner because of the injury.
As far as backs who actually played, I agree that Lamont Jordan was a huge bust this year, too, though he's hurt now, too.
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<< <i>Lets put it this way, if he was a bust then he probably wouldnt get drafted as high the next year(top 3). that is why i think that an injury is different. He will still be a top 3 pick next season since his skills as a running back have nothing to do with his down season. >>
What are you talking about?
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS YEAR.
He's been a bust. End of story.
Why is this so difficult for you to comprehend?
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<< <i>Lets put it this way, if he was a bust then he probably wouldnt get drafted as high the next year(top 3). that is why i think that an injury is different. He will still be a top 3 pick next season since his skills as a running back have nothing to do with his down season. >>
What are you talking about?
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS YEAR.
oh my bad it must be some other season he injured his foot and missed a large chunk of the season that i am talking about. Read is agian s l o w l y and sii if you can figure my point out.
He's been a bust. End of story.
he has been a dissapointment. Find me a defintition were bust means a decline of production to to injury and ill let you "win" your argument.
Why is this so difficult for you to comprehend? >>
Like i said, read my last post again slowly, sentence by sentence, and concentrate the next 60 seconds to this thread and this thread alone. Forget about gruden, and Donnie baseball for a minute. You can argue all night long if it pleases you but your brain is overloding and it needs you to slow down. So try hard to understand and if you get it, then try to make a reply that makes sense to the post i made, not just some angry jibberish. I know you have it in you. Godspeed to you!
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Oh, okay. Sure. Makes perfect sense.
<< <i>So a player that's considered a bust will still be drafted in the top 5 next year.
Oh, okay. Sure. Makes perfect sense. >>
You people have completely forgotten the original title of the thread:
Fantasy bust of the YEAR.
No one is talking next year. No one is talking last year. THIS YEAR.
Jesus christ you people are dense.
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<< <i>Cadillac Williams - one touchdown total, rushing and receiving. Pathetic! >>
But he'll likely finish the year, which we can't say for donovan 'glass joe' mcnabb, can we?
Is he going to finish any more regular seasons, or is he going to find a way to get injured every year and miss significant playing time?
Knees now, number of other ailments...what else can possibly go wrong with this cupcake? Talk about soft!
<< <i>I'd have to go with Cadillac Williams or Edgerrin James, probably Williams... >>
If I had James, I would have dumped him like a hot potato as soon as he went to a perennially anemic offensive team like the Cardinals.
Other candidates: Randy Moss? Ben Roethlisberger (14 TD/20 INT)? The Steelers' defense?
<< <i>Cadillac Williams - one touchdown total, rushing and receiving. Pathetic! >>
can you please refute the 'madden curse' entry I pointed out that obviously refuted your mindless claim that such exists?
"EA officials point out that Ray Lewis and Eddie George appeared on the covers of the 2005 and 2001 versions, respectively, and had successful seasons without injury."
I see you conveniently ignored these facts.
<< <i>Lets put it this way, if he was a bust then he probably wouldnt get drafted as high the next year(top 3). that is why i think that an injury is different. He will still be a top 3 pick next season since his skills as a running back have nothing to do with his down season. >>
Bottom line if you drafted Alexander or Portis before say Steven Jackson then your draft pick was a bust. Its not that hard to understand, you can talk about next year all you want but it does not meen a thing.
2000
| Eddie George career stats | 2000 Tennessee Titans |
+----------+-------------+--------+----+
| WK OPP | RSH YD | RECYD | TD |
+----------+-------------+--------+----+
| 1 buf | 17 37 | 44 | 1 |
| 2 kan | 21 80 | 17 | 0 |
| 4 pit | 27 74 | 2 | 1 |
| 5 nyg | 35 125 | 52 | 1 |
| 6 cin | 36 181 | 33 | 1 |
| 7 jax | 30 165 | 42 | 1 |
| 8 bal | 1 4 | 0 | 0 |
| 9 was | 22 71 | 42 | 0 |
| 10 pit | 34 98 | 3 | 0 |
| 11 bal | 12 28 | 36 | 0 |
| 12 cle | 36 134 | 15 | 3 |
| 13 jax | 24 69 | 109 | 1 |
| 14 phi | 32 101 | 24 | 0 |
| 15 cin | 24 81 | 20 | 3 |
| 16 cle | 34 176 | 0 | 3 |
| 17 dal | 19 83 | 14 | 1 |
+----------+-------------+--------+----+
| TOTAL | 404 1507 | 453 | 16 |
+----------+-------------+--------+----+
2001
| Eddie George career stats | 2001 Tennessee Titans |
+----------+-------------+--------+----+
| WK OPP | RSH YD | RECYD | TD |
+----------+-------------+--------+----+
| 1 mia | 18 49 | 18 | 0 |
| 2 jax | 20 79 | 17 | 0 |
| 4 bal | 13 26 | 25 | 0 |
| 5 tam | 29 85 | 47 | 1 |
| 6 det | 26 51 | 9 | 0 |
| 7 pit | 10 13 | 14 | 0 |
| 8 jax | 22 70 | 45 | 0 |
| 9 bal | 22 71 | 21 | 0 |
| 10 cin | 23 61 | 4 | 0 |
| 11 pit | 15 58 | 16 | 0 |
| 12 cle | 23 51 | 0 | 1 |
| 13 min | 21 96 | 0 | 1 |
| 14 gnb | 15 26 | 10 | 0 |
| 15 oak | 11 23 | 15 | 0 |
| 16 cle | 26 130 | 20 | 2 |
| 17 cin | 21 50 | 18 | 0 |
+----------+-------------+--------+----+
| TOTAL | 315 939 | 279 | 5 |
+----------+-------------+--------+----+
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2004 Baltimore Ravens 15 146 100.0 46 1 0 0 0.0 0 0 5
2005 Baltimore Ravens 6 46 38.0 8 1 1 0 0.0 0 0 1
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<< <i>you might want to check the facts before calling someone out. I would say 600 yards and 11 tds is quite a drop off.
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What are you talking about? Man you are confusing me with your banter
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<< <i>you might want to check the facts before calling someone out. I would say 600 yards and 11 tds is quite a drop off.
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What are you talking about? Man you are confusing me with your banter >>
He's talking about the Madden Curse
Needless to say, I didn't make our playoffs and ended up with a 5-8 record on the season.
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<< <i>We were in a keeper league and I had Shaun Alexander (thought I was in fantastic shape!) from the previous year and the 3rd pick overall. Mind you, nearly every team of the 12-team league kept a RB, so there weren't a lot of options. Therefore, I had the choice between Edgerrin James or Lamont Jordan (both highly ranked going into the years for different reasons) and I selected Edge. Now, either way I was screwed and I didn't even know it.
Needless to say, I didn't make our playoffs and ended up with a 5-8 record on the season.
That STINKS, those players you mentioned are officially termed a ................................................................BUST. Thank You
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He's talking about the Madden Curse
There is no such thing as a madden curse...but for simple folk like you who still believe in those types of things, I suppose its how you rest at night.