How much is MOSH selling

Davalillo

A while ago the speculation was when will MOSH go into baseball collecting and could accomplash there what he has done in other sports.

In the Mastronet auction this week, he seems to be selling off at least the bulk of his basketball collection--some unbelievable stuff. My recollection is that he has sold off some hockey and some of his football stuff as well.

Anybody know anything here?

Jeremy???????

carew4me

Maybe the WORLDS GREATEST COLLECTOR OF PSA CARDS knows something we all don't?!?

Other collectors come and go, build and sell, but MOSH is a legend and he should be studied closely.

mmsportscards

All I can say is this I had a few tough fb cards that I know he needed which he didnt scarf up so he's out of the fb otherwise he would have grabbed them. At least always had!

koby

Lack of confidence in NM-MT graded cards?

fandango

is the Museum (MOSH) a single person, i thought it was an auction house's alias.....

Griffins

<< <i>Lack of confidence in NM-MT graded cards? >>



Or simply overextending themselves.

Davalillo

I think Anthony is most likely right.

MOSH is one guy perhaps with financial backing from others(at least that is my understanding).

koby

It seems the biggest collectors in the world are selling their cards. If MOSH and Branca are out, the only important collections remaining are Fogel, Merkel, and Louchios.

JasP24

I don't think MOSH is out, but maybe downsizing...

Possibly pooling resources to take over baseball???lol

Jason

Griffins

it would take a lot more than the money from the combination of football, hockey and basketball to take over baseball- if you could even find the cards.




<< <i>the only important collections remaining are Fogel, Merkel, and Louchios >>



those guys are only the tip of the iceberg, and I can think of at least 3 collections that are better. There are lots of collections that aren't even listed on the PSA registry.

Davalillo

MOSH not in top 7-8 that I know about and I think Anthony know more than me.

Guys with best collection on the registry are the two Dons.

koby

<< <i>
those guys are only the tip of the iceberg, and I can think of at least 3 collections that are better. There are lots of collections that aren't even listed on the PSA registry. >>



Everyone has an opinion and that is fine, but Fogel, Merkel, Louchious, Branca and MOSH are recognized by PSA as the best.

Davalillo

That is just not true--look at the HOF.

bishop

Gosh Koby, is not your collection important. Isn't everybodies.

koby

<< <i>That is just not true--look at the HOF. >>



HOF awards are just favors to people.

Look at the registry and see who has the most high grade sets. By high grade, I mean PSA 9 and PSA 10.

Griffins

In baseball I would say that Spence, Louchios, Merkel, Fogel and Jim would all be included as having the most extensive collections on the PSA registry. But that doesn't necessarily mean they have the only top collections in the hobby (no disrespect meant) and that the ones I know that are considerably more extensive are very bullish and continue to buy aggressively- as do all of the above. John Branca is the only one I know of that seems to be getting out, and while there is speculation I have yet to hear definitively why.
Can't speak for other sports (and non sports), as I don't follow them closely enough.

koby

Individual set awards are the fair barometer for the nicest sets and the nicest collections. Fogel, Merkel, Louchious, MOSH and Branca achieved the most awards.

HOF awards are merely given to "friends" of PSA.

koby

<< <i>Gosh Koby, is not your collection important. Isn't everybodies. >>




Mine is horrible. I thought I had a pretty decent collection going on until Kobe got in trouble in Denver.

Davalillo

Agree with Anthony.

Spence is very active--Don Louchios is quite active--Charlie is adding selectively--Marshall may be standing pat.

But there are others--a couple I know about--Anthony is likely aware of others that would exceed those on the first list.

If I was making a 3-5 year bet on who would have the best collection I might have to go with Don Spence--just check out the sets in his collection. He is a lock to be the next member of the Set Registry HOF.

Jim

koby

Back to the original topic, it would be a shame if MOSH is no longer collecting. In a short amount of time, MOSH has built more #1 sets than anyone. As mentioned above, perhaps MOSH is getting rid of football and basketball to concentrate on baseball. If MOSH does this, we can expect some fierce battles for baseball registry award in the next few years.

JasP24

MOSH hasn't gotten rid of any Football HOF RC's, but I wouldn't mind if he did...

All the stuff listed on ebay were his extras...

Jason

Griffins

<< <i><< Gosh Koby, is not your collection important. Isn't everybodies. >>




Mine is horrible. I thought I had a pretty decent collection going on until Kobe got in trouble in Denver. >>



As long as you have a passion for it, your collection is important. Regardless of the dollar value.

shagrotn77

<< <i>It seems the biggest collectors in the world are selling their cards. If MOSH and Branca are out, the only important collections remaining are Fogel, Merkel, and Louchios. >>



Don't forget about Dmitri Young. He's not on the PSA set registry, but his baseball HOF rookie card collection is second to none. Tom Candiotti also used to have quite an extensive collection. Not sure if he still does or not.

bishop

On the other hand, it may be best not to tell Mrs Kobe what you paid for your collection until the Kobe market fully recovers.

Davalillo

Both Dmitri and Candiotti have sold at least a good chunk of what they owned. Their collections were more individual cards than high-end vintage sets.

shagrotn77

<< <i>Both Dmitri and Candiotti have sold at least a good chunk of what they owned. Their collections were more individual cards than high-end vintage sets. >>



I know Dmitri's still going strong, at least as far as baseball rookies are concerned. Must be nice to know that if you want a card that's currently being auctioned off, you're all but guaranteed to get it. He's outbid me several times. It's frustrating, but what can you do? Can't fault the guy for having more power at the plate than I do. LOL.

jradke4

Some of MOSH's sets he is the only one collecting them. I just started on the Inscriptions sets.

jayhawke

Jim,

I believe you speculated that MOSH was co-owners with the people from Mastros. Did you ever confirm? With the prices MOSH paid for his fb cards, he will be hard pressed to make back his investment. Who knows.

SDSportsFan

I'm sure we'll all know if Tom Candiotti gets completely out, since he owns the only PSA 8 T206 Plank, and that's the only T206 HOFer that Brian Seigel needs to finish his HOFer set in 8 or better.


Steve

PROMETHIUS88

Question?????
If MOSH goes strictly to baseball....and no other sports, does that mean the they have to change the name to MOBH??? Seems like it would be false advertisement if they didn't!! 8-)

glossycrazy

I hope that Mosh sells some more of their football sets! I have a few that I want to get ahold of!
Paul

JasP24

The official MOSH sets for sale count is as follows--

Basketball: 10 Sets
Boxing: 4 sets

No football for sale at this time, and I would guess they are in "hold" mode there, as football has the highest upside in value right now...

Jason

flatfoot816

I know that someone asked earlier...but what does MOSH stand for? from what I have read it is a group of buyers joined at the hip?

Griffins

Museum of Sports History.

fandango

Most of the football sets that MOSH has, they ARE THE ONLY REGISTERED SET....its like they invented a bunch of odd-ball sets, got them listed on registry, and now their name is everywhere......are they involved in any sets that other people actually want...

As far as the sets they have for sale now, for all i know, its 1 MOSH member selling the stuff to another MOSH member to make it seem like that oddball stuff is in demand......

JasP24

<< <i>Most of the football sets that MOSH has, they ARE THE ONLY REGISTERED SET....its like they invented a bunch of odd-ball sets, got them listed on registry, and now their name is everywhere......are they involved in any sets that other people actually want...

As far as the sets they have for sale now, for all i know, its 1 MOSH member selling the stuff to another MOSH member to make it seem like that oddball stuff is in demand...... >>



I'd take this set in a HEART BEAT..

-----Museum of Sports History - Football Hall of Fame Rookie Players - Best Overall Specialty Set of the Year
If you have been following major auctions over the past year or so, you may have noticed a huge upswing in HOF rookie card interest. It has become one of the most popular categories on the Registry and in the hobby. Rookie cards of legends like Johnny Unitas, Bart Starr, Jim Brown, Joe Namath, Dick Butkus, Terry Bradshaw, Walter Payton are all here and there’s a ton more! Of course, the key to the whole set is the legendary 1935 National Chicle Bronko Nagurski card, the most valuable football card in the hobby. The beauty of sets like this one is that they are ever evolving, much like the Registry itself. This year’s winner is 100% complete with a GPA of 8.25.------

As would probably any of the other 58 people collecting the set...

I've done a TON of business with MOSH, and it is headed by ONE BUYER, with employees that control the shipping and receiving part of the operation..It's not a group of buyers joined at the hip...

I agree most of the sets are BS, but that's because MOSH is/was attempting to complete EVERY football set on the Registry. But to say they hold nothing of value is crazy...MOSH owns MANY of the top football cards in existence from every decade, 1930s-present..

Jason

fandango

i stand corrected

speeder

My understanding is that MOSH was a group of attorneys pooling their money and investing in cards.
I believe i also heard they were from the Chicago ILL. area

Lee

JasP24

<< <i>My understanding is that MOSH was a group of attorneys pooling their money and investing in cards.
I believe i also heard they were from the Chicago ILL. area

Lee >>



You are correct, the home office is in Illinois...It's very possible the lead buyer has funding other than from his own pockets, not really my business there. But I can tell you the guy making the decision as to what to buy/sell/trade is and has been the exact same guy since MOSH was born a couple of years ago.

So if there is a "group" of money, there's still only ONE GUY you go to if you want to buy/sell/trade with MOSH.

Just curious where this information comes from??? Have you ever dealt with anyone from MOSH or is this rumor mill stuff?

Jason

Fuzz

Jason,
Do you include Darth Jeremy on the emploee list of the empire as well? While he may not be the final decision maker I think he does have access to the secret MOSH cave.
Fuzz

speeder

jasp24

A few yrs. ago i dealt with them on some Tiger Woods items.

My understanding at that time, was that they were thinking of opening an actual museum displaying the top trading cards and sets.

A restaurant theme (along the same lines) was also being looked at. Kind of a smaller scale "Hard Rock Cafe" but with a sports card/memorabilia theme.

But i think there has been a change in investors and/or their timetable for returns.

Lee

JasP24

<< <i>Jason,
Do you include Darth Jeremy on the emploee list of the empire as well? While he may not be the final decision maker I think he does have access to the secret MOSH cave.
Fuzz >>



No, I wasn't including Jeremy, but I guess you could now since he is selling stuff for MOSH. Oh and that cave???It's actually a warehouse...lol

The employees I am talking about are Denise and Stephanie. They USED to handle any shipments in and out for MOSH. But yes, Jeremy has been selling most of the doubles for MOSH on ebay. Great decision by MOSH IMO..

Luckily I got "first dibs" on the for sale list and picked up a few toughies before the rest of the ebay world snapped them up..

Jason

fandango

<< <i>

<< <i>Jason,
Do you include Darth Jeremy on the emploee list of the empire as well? While he may not be the final decision maker I think he does have access to the secret MOSH cave.
Fuzz >>



No, I wasn't including Jeremy, but I guess you could now since he is selling stuff for MOSH. Oh and that cave???It's actually a warehouse...lol

The employees I am talking about are Denise and Stephanie. They USED to handle any shipments in and out for MOSH. But yes, Jeremy has been selling most of the doubles for MOSH on ebay. Great decision by MOSH IMO..

Luckily I got "first dibs" on the for sale list and picked up a few toughies before the rest of the ebay world snapped them up..

Jason >>





seems you know these mosh people pretty well...are you affiliated with them?

JasP24

<< <i>seems you know these mosh people pretty well...are you affiliated with them? >>



Not at all..Just dealt with them quite a bit as they collect many of the same sets, specifically the NFL HOF RC set. We were both always interested in trading extras for cards we need, so it only made sense to do business.

I've found everyone associated with MOSH to be friendly and helpful, even including Jeremy ..lol

Jason

thefootballcardstore

Thank you Jason, for the resounding vote of confidence. I’ve enjoyed our dealings as well, even when they don’t go just right (my bad of course). Oh, and for the record there is still plenty of buying going on. MOSH is still always looking for what MOSH needs.

Just to comment briefly on the subject, with the number of sets MOSH manages, even selling off a small fraction of those can create a large wake. Granted, some of the Basketball sets were high profile, but nonetheless, a small percentage of the total.

Every investor, collector and dealer I’ve ever known, with almost no exception, has sold some of what they have bought based on reorganization, recommitment or speculation. I don’t think it would make too much sense to play it any other way.

MOSH will eternally be evaluating the cave and will be entering 2007 eyes wide open.

Thanks for the good read all, will revisit the thread Sunday. Take care, Jeremy

Davalillo

Jeremy,

Small percentage in terms of numbers of cards but a much larger percentage in terms of value. The 48 Bowman, 57 Topps and 61 Fleer are three of the most valuable sets he owned.

Cash flow problems or just changing direction in midstream?

Fuzz

Jason,
I applaud Jeremy for helping the man out with selling dups and the like. Not a bad way to go and honestly a problem that a lot of us do not have a good solution for at this time. Jeremy does provide a valuable service that probably more of us should use.
However, it is the buying that kills me MOSH and Dav both have competent and knowledge associates that handle some of the buying and/or inventorying and the like.
For those of us that do not have this luxury, it just adds to the frustrations. Even if you have a "money no object" budget, competing against one is always an issue. We all collect well over a hundred sets and it is complicated to manage and bandwidth and focus is often an issue. So when I lose an auction to "an associate" the love just grows because I wonder if I would have lost the card if they did not have the help. Just keeps me spending the kids inheratance.
Fuzz

Davalillo

Fuzz,

I no longer have an "associate".

Dav

wolfbear

I've been way too busy this fall
to keep up with eBay, the message boards, and all the auction houses.

So, I'm currently in the market for an 'associate'.
Looking for someone loyal and trustworthy who is willing to put in long hours.

Potential rewards : A pat on the head followed by the occasional "good boy!"
Also a chance for advancement within my vast empire to possibly the position of Premier Card Sorter Extraordinaire.

Must enjoy the challenge of remaining humble while a drunken tyrant bullies you.
Did I mention the applicant must also be willing to relocate to Winnipeg? For no particular reason?

SKINSFAN is in charge of pre-screening the written tests, so please contact him if interested ...

marz

<< <i>Agree with Anthony.

Spence is very active--Don Louchios is quite active--Charlie is adding selectively--Marshall may be standing pat.

But there are others--a couple I know about--Anthony is likely aware of others that would exceed those on the first list.

If I was making a 3-5 year bet on who would have the best collection I might have to go with Don Spence--just check out the sets in his collection. He is a lock to be the next member of the Set Registry HOF.

Jim >>




you mention Anthony in every other post of yours.

thefootballcardstore

I don't think that any sale could ever be attributed to cash flow problems. Change of direction might make more sense here, but I wouldn't characterize it as changing in midstream. Those sets have been sitting at or near 100% complete for some time now.

Truth is, the sale of those sets will mean different things to different people. If you think those sales were midstream, then who knows, maybe you are right.

No doubt, those sets were valuable, but in overall terms of percentage of total value of sets registered, it really is a drop in the bucket.

Hey Wolfie, classic! Winnipeg – isn’t that reason enough!
I’m there (if it’s still available)!