here's another of ebay's finest to block

mozeppa

howard5379 in this ad of mine.


his lame excuse...

Hi Mike,

Please forgive me. My letter was returned because of a bad address.
But more important I just lost $183. to a seller who didn't take paypal,
therefore I don't feel comfortable completing this transaction. I'm very sorry.

Howard

this is the 2nd time i've sold this same coin (in a row!) to a non paying bidder!

Myqqy

That's really weak! And you even had free shipping!!

TwoSides2aCoin

LAME, at best

flaminio

Make sure to NPB/FVF him and neg him too. Others must be warned.

ILikeMercs

I'd ask to see the returned letter with the wrong address.

mozeppa

<< <i>Make sure to NPB/FVF him and neg him too. Others must be warned. >>




is there a way to neg him on the last day...without being retaliated on?....

or does leaving feedback on the last few minutes of the last day re-set the clock for him...so to speak.

giving him a chance to retaliate?

GoldenEyeNumismatics

pathetic!

Bochiman

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<< <i>Make sure to NPB/FVF him and neg him too. Others must be warned. >>




is there a way to neg him on the last day...without being retaliated on?....

or does leaving feedback on the last few minutes of the last day re-set the clock for him...so to speak.

giving him a chance to retaliate? >>



You have a retur policy (minus return shipping) so why screw with negging? He emailed you, asked to cancel the transaction.
He didn't lead you on.

He also has 100% feedback and seems fine. Sounds like he got spooked.

IMHO, it is childish to neg him for telling you he wanted to cancel the auction when you have the return privileges you have (he saved you time/effort). If his story is true, he is spooked. If it isn't, he saved you from the time/problem of a return.
Would you have negged him if he returned it?

And, flamino, what would you "warn" others of? Buyer spooked and wants to cancel auction instead of return? Sheesh!

Btw...I have had a winner try to pay with someone else's paypal to a non-confirmed address (though my auction states such is needed). When I asked to call him just to verify, he got huffy and wanted out of the auction (he had since won one slightly cheaper). I knew he didn't want to complete as he got a cheaper one and just wanted to get out of it, but I figured "hey, I have a return policy anyway and it would just be a pain to go through".

usually, I am the PITA but some people here are quite jaded and think the world should think/do things their way

bhartman35

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<< <i>Make sure to NPB/FVF him and neg him too. Others must be warned. >>




is there a way to neg him on the last day...without being retaliated on?....

or does leaving feedback on the last few minutes of the last day re-set the clock for him...so to speak.

giving him a chance to retaliate? >>



You have a retur policy (minus return shipping) so why screw with negging? He emailed you, asked to cancel the transaction.
He didn't lead you on.

He also has 100% feedback and seems fine. Sounds like he got spooked.

IMHO, it is childish to neg him for telling you he wanted to cancel the auction when you have the return privileges you have (he saved you time/effort). If his story is true, he is spooked. If it isn't, he saved you from the time/problem of a return.
Would you have negged him if he returned it?

And, flamino, what would you "warn" others of? Buyer spooked and wants to cancel auction instead of return? Sheesh!

Btw...I have had a winner try to pay with someone else's paypal to a non-confirmed address (though my auction states such is needed). When I asked to call him just to verify, he got huffy and wanted out of the auction (he had since won one slightly cheaper). I knew he didn't want to complete as he got a cheaper one and just wanted to get out of it, but I figured "hey, I have a return policy anyway and it would just be a pain to go through".

usually, I am the PITA but some people here are quite jaded and think the world should think/do things their way >>





As long as no merchandise has been sent, there's no foul. As long as Ebay doesn't charge for relisting the item, why penalize him for it? IMO, a NPB is someone who gets the merchandise, and then doesn't pay. That's a serious thing. Simply wanting out of an auction where nothing has yet changed hands isn't much different from taking an item up to the counter and then deciding you don't want it.

mozeppa

bochiman and bhartman....

i dis-agree with you just a little.

its not childish to neg someone over this...its one of the tools of ebay, if your too un-comfortable over 43 bucks...don't play!

bhartman said "Simply wanting out of an auction where nothing has yet changed hands isn't much different from taking an item up to the counter and then deciding you don't want it.

4 other people also expressed a desire to own this coin for a total of 11 other bids!...so he in effect picked it up off my counter by outbidding
the other 4 (on 11 separate occasions)....when i said "sold! to the highest bidder"....the other 4 left my counter.

THEN HE PUTS IT DOWN AND SAYS "no thanks"...??????????...........i lose my ebay fees!?....and 4 potential bidders!?

hows that "no foul" ?

if i file "non payer" then i get negged...why is this NOT a foul?

no matter ...one of our own wants it.

so i guess ...end of rant.

BigDaddyz

I think it best to report it to ebay as an unpaid item. Then they will try to get him to pay. If that fails doesn't it go on his record without you having to put any feedback on it?

notwilight

I agree with OP. The ebay process is to file NPB and then neg him. I think the NPB protects you from retaliatory negs now. I would warn him that is what I plan to do and give him a chance to pay. --Jerry

TwoSides2aCoin

I tend to agree with NOT NEGGING. What I would do is write the guy, tell him how inconvenienced you are and that you are out X amount on fees. Put the ball in his court, so to speak. If his conscience led him to retract or NOT PAY what he agreed to pay, maybe his conscience will lead him to pay your fees, at least !

To say : Sorry, I got ripped off somewhere else, so I ain't paying you is LAME !

Shamika

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flaminio

<< <i>And, flamino, what would you "warn" others of? Buyer spooked and wants to cancel auction instead of return? Sheesh! >>

Hey, I didn't start it -- I'm just piling on. The OP wanted others to block this guy, when no one has be legitimately harmed. I'm just suggesting that the OP take it all the way, if that is his intention.

FWIW, I did *not* block the bidder in question.

<< <i>is there a way to neg him on the last day...without being retaliated on?.... >>

Neg sniping? No, there's not really any way to do that. As long as the auction is in eBay's database, the participants have an opportunity to leave feedback. If by some magic you knew the exact date and time the auction was going to get dropped, you could theoretically neg snipe him, but most likely once you leave the neg, it'll show up at the top of his feedback page, and he can just click on the auction link there and leave feedback for you.

That said: Man up, nancy-boy. Do your worst, damn the torpedoes.

lkenefic

Thanks for the heads-up!!

L

Russ

<< <i>IMO, a NPB is someone who gets the merchandise, and then doesn't pay. >>



Huh? How does a bidder on eBay get the item and not pay? NPB is Non Paying Bidder. That's exactly what this buyer is, and Mozeppa damned sure should file it. As for negging him, I'd let that go. I reserve negs for buyers who lie or try to screw me over. But, I ALWAYS file the NPB.



<< <i>I think the NPB protects you from retaliatory negs now. >>



Only if the buyer fails to respond to the process. One response, even if it is to tell the seller to FOAD, and the buyer can still neg away.

Russ, NCNE

Tassa

<< <i>As long as no merchandise has been sent, there's no foul. As long as Ebay doesn't charge for relisting the item, why penalize him for it? IMO, a NPB is someone who gets the merchandise, and then doesn't pay. That's a serious thing. Simply wanting out of an auction where nothing has yet changed hands isn't much different from taking an item up to the counter and then deciding you don't want it. >>



Um...if most people thought that Ebay should work that way, it would be a mess. Well, a bigger mess. If you're not sure if you really want something don't bid. Bidders do have the option to retract bids before the auction ends.

Bochiman

I found the way to do it was just do the process and say that both seller and buyer agreed not to complete the auction.
I don't sell much on ebay, and it has been awhile since my sitiuaton happened, but I don't think I was out anything...and, if I was, it was a buck or so at the most.

I can understand the frustration (I called my "winner" a few names when he pulled his thing), but, it really isn't worth getting worked up over.
Mozeppa, glad you found a buyer. Sorry you lost 2 "winners" on the same coin.

This is one of those things that can happen on ebay. It isn't perfect. If you wanted to sell it with no one backing out, take it to a coin show/shop and sell it for whatever you can get there.

Again, as for negging the person, sure, it is an ebay "tool" you have. And, the other person has the same tool available, right?
I doubt he is going to neg you since he quit the transaction and you probably didn't try to "force" it back onto him, right?
Now, you want to puff your chest up and screw him with a neg, over a $43 coin?
That says a bit....to me at least

It's the XMas season and there are a lot of scrooges out there, it seems, that just want to "do unto others".

(worst thing I would do is file the NPB or, preferably the "buyer and seller agree not to complete the auction", get the fees back, if I can, tell the person NICELY what happens to the seller (the costs) when backing out of an auction after winning it, and then, if not happy, leave a NEUTRAL explaining buyer backed out........and, remember, I am a bad person anyway and this is still the worst I would do...especially if only a part time ebay seller).



btw...Mozeppa, if you have these kinds of problems, particularly if you don't sell often/much, why not set up a paypal account with a "spare" bank account? Lose a little bit in fees, save a lot in aggravation...and maybe get more bids/$$$

bhartman35

I did forget about the fees for selling, but if you make a Second Chance offer, there are no fees, so it would be as if the second person had won the item in a normal auction. (I would still see if I could retrieve the fee for the listing from the first bidder, though.) The fact is, you're not going to get the asking price from the first bidder if he/she doesn't want to give it to you. Why create ill will when you don't need to? I would want to cause enough pain to the non-paying bidder that he didn't want to do it again, but not so much that I'd create ill will. There are all kinds of message boards on the Internet, and for a couple of bucks, I'd rather have people remember me as the guy that let a guy off the hook for a bid he couldn't uphold than the guy who wouldn't back down, both getting and receiving a pointless neg.

As a matter of fact, one of the first auctions I held, something like this happened. The winner sent me a message saying that he couldn't pay, because he'd accidentally bid too much. (For some reason, he thought he'd bid $100 on a $40 item.) In that case, it turned out that he'd bid the amount he'd intended to bid, but I told him I'd let him off the hook entirely, minus the Ebay fees. He went through with the bid, and (after a little hand-holding getting him through PayPal) everything was fine.

I want everyone who comes in contact w/ me on Ebay to have as pleasant an experience as possible, so in the end, I'm willing to eat a few bucks here or there if it means someone might look at my next auction. Now, anyone who does it more than once -- that's another story.

In your particular case, I don't know if a Second Chance offer would apply, and if it doesn't, I can understand how you feel, but I still wouldn't burn any bridges over some Ebay fees. That's just how I see it.

Edited to Add One More Thing: If you use PayPal (and maybe even if you don't -- I don't remember), you can require immediate payment on an auction. That way there's no question that the winning bidder would have to pay.

Gemineye

Geez....Gimme a break ..read before you bid..that's all. I bid on a coin once and didn't read the whole auction...well then I sent an e-mail and then I sent a check..Read before you bid........!!!!!