Should a coach be kicked out for not voting?
IrishMike
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Anyone with more than an ounce of brain matter knew the BCS voting would be close and that every vote counted. The coach of Ohio State refused to cast a ballot, therefore helping to prevent one of his colleagues in the Big Ten from playing for a National Championship. Should this turncoat be stripped of his voting privileges?
Or should he be patted on the back for doing the politically correct thing?
Or should he be patted on the back for doing the politically correct thing?
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Maybe he was just hoping to avoid extra bulletin board material??
If JT would have voted for either........would it have mattered? Has anyone done the math?
He should have grown a set and voted.
<< <i>If he voted Florida #2 he's ducking Michigan, if he votes Michigan he's a Big Ten lover, he didn't vote and people are mad - he was damned no matter what he did.
Maybe he was just hoping to avoid extra bulletin board material?? >>
100% right.
No matter what he does he is a joke to everyone...
<< <i>If he voted Florida #2 he's ducking Michigan, if he votes Michigan he's a Big Ten lover, he didn't vote and people are mad - he was damned no matter what he did.
Maybe he was just hoping to avoid extra bulletin board material?? >>
Well he created bulletin board material forever against his main opponent every year. I was just surprised when I read the story. I don't know if he did the right thing or not.
Its long been a tradition among college coaches that you vote for your conference team. Everyone but Moss understands that.
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<< <i>If he voted Florida #2 he's ducking Michigan, if he votes Michigan he's a Big Ten lover, he didn't vote and people are mad - he was damned no matter what he did.
Maybe he was just hoping to avoid extra bulletin board material?? >>
Well he created bulletin board material forever against his main opponent every year. I was just surprised when I read the story. I don't know if he did the right thing or not.
Its long been a tradition among college coaches that you vote for your conference team. Everyone but Moss understands that. >>
Yup please come out from your bed after ND gets spanked in their undeserving BCS game.... Hopefully ND can pray to the man that they don't get blown out.
jibs right - no matter which way he votes, he'd be condemned for it. Screw it and move on. Not like it matters - OSU has been the only consistent team all year, and they are going to rout florida.
Tressel was the only eligible coach in the Big Ten or SEC not to vote. Now answer the question I posed or butt out, should he lose his voting privileges?
Here's why I think he abstained....
He made it clear during the week of the Michigan game that only conference champs should go to the game. If he votes for Michigan, it goes against everything he stated before the game and he's labelled a hypocrite. He didn't vote because of that and because he KNEW if he voted he would have to, as is customary, vote for UM.
Steve
<< <i>OK Goose then if he was true to his believes then why didn't he vote FL 2 and Michigan 3? >>
Because as someone stated above (you?)....he is SUPPOSED to vote for the team in his conference. If he votes for FL, then he's a traitor to the rest of The Big 11.
Seriously... I actually respect him more for not voting. He should not be kicked out, but folks should recognize that he had a significant conflict because he was in a different situation than other voting coaches... Give the man some credit here.
Besides most folks would rather have a Big Ten - Pac Ten match up in the Rosebowl... The USC-Michigan in the Rosebowl should be good... lets just _ _ _ _ can this whole BCS CRAP and have college football return to the tradition that seemed to manage to survive many decades. Cut the number of Bowl games to around 14 and stop the 6-6 match ups (now that there is a 12 game schedule) that are just not worth the time and effort.
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<< <i>I would think that the coach of the number one team should not get a vote. Voting determines who his team plays. No?
Steve >>
Well if that were the case, then any coach that's in a conference of a contending team shouldn't be able to vote. Unlike Tress the traitor, a coach will vote for his conference because it still brings money to the conference if theirs is represented.
<< <i>Because as someone stated above (you?)....he is SUPPOSED to vote for the team in his conference. If he votes for FL, then he's a traitor to the rest of The Big 11. >>
Abstaining is really the same thing as not voting. He didn't support his conference, so I don't feel that he's a solid representative of it. It wouldn't have made any difference anyways, but it's still the point. Hopefully he doesn't need a Michigan vote down the road when his team is in a close race.
Kinda goes along with what steve was saying.
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I live in the central ohio area, i know alot of buckeye fans i talked to said they would rather play Michigan.
I mean as a buckeye fan what could be better than to beat Michigan TWICE in one season !!
I`m the kinda fan that roots for Michigan to win every single game they play,,,,,,,,, EXCEPT ONE !!
And after listening to Loyd Carr the other day,, i would really like to see Michigan play Florida
And if Michigan beats USC and Ohio st. beats Fla. #1-OHIO STATE #2-MICHIGAN
All right i`m done
Lee
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huh?
Steve
<< <i>He did vote, he voted for Pedro! >>
cause he will make your wildest dreams come true!
<< <i>I would think that the coach of the number one team should not get a vote. Voting determines who his team plays. No?
Steve >>
<< <i>Well if that were the case, then any coach that's in a conference of a contending team shouldn't be able to vote.
huh?
Steve >>
The other coaches voting is partially why Ohio St is #1. If coaches like Meyer and even Traitor Tress don't vote for OSU, they may not be #1. Voting determines the two teams involved. Why should Meyer get to vote then, because his vote helped decide who he's facing in the championship.
Further, the conferences make more money for their teams to be in the championship game. So why allow SEC coaches or Big 10 coaches to vote when you know that they'll vote for their own conference (except for Traitor Tress).
<< <i>sorry guys... sometimes doing what is right is more important than the conference... Tressel is earning respect on and off the field. >>
Doing what is right? He didn't do anything, which is the complaint. Further, the fact that he announced that he was abstaining from the vote seems absurd. Did he want a cookie? I don't see him getting a lot of respect from this. In fact, I'm sure this wont help his stature within his own conference as he didn't show the support the other coaches /universities expect. As I said, the vote wouldn't have changed anything but it may in the future for OSU. Again, he better hope that a close vote doesn't need a Michigan ballot to swing things his way.
I think Tressel was trying to do what he thought was fair, let someone else decide who OSU plays.
Plus I don't think this will have any effect on the UM/OSU rivalry. There is already tremendous hate between the two schools.
If UM wants to get back at Tressel, they should try winning a few games against them.
<< <i>Here's why I think he abstained....
He made it clear during the week of the Michigan game that only conference champs should go to the game.
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Which I think goes against the entire purpose of the BCS. The bowl games used to be decided by conference champions. The BCS was to make the top slotted teams able to compete for the national championship, regardles of conference. So why would it matter if a team won their conference played in the game?
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The entire fact that a poll has to be taken to determine such a game is a joke in and of itself.
How can the coach spend time to watch films of other teams to determine which should be in the top 20?
The coaches poll in NCAA basketball is meaningless come March. Same for NCAA baseball. Its ridiculous
<< <i>TextI just read that Illni coach Ron Zook (ex Fla. coach) voted for Forida >>
Well, that is interesting... Illinois did not play Michigan this year
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<< <i>For everyone arguing after the fact that his vote didn't matter I hope you realize that there was no way of Tressel knowing that before he chose not to vote at all so that arguement other than pointing out what happened after the game doesn't play. >>
I didn't say that Tressel knew his vote wouldn't matter. I said that Tressel probably didn't vote because he thought it was the fair thing for him to do. No matter which team he voted for, he would have been criticized.
If I were Tressel I would be more upset that my team could have one loss like UM or Florida and will not win the national title.
That is what i had been trying to say. the computers had Ohio as number 1. I think, and this is only opinion, that anytime a team is the clear number 1, that team should not be able to decide who they play.
Steve
<< <i>I think Tressel was trying to do what he thought was fair, let someone else decide who OSU plays.
That is what i had been trying to say. the computers had Ohio as number 1. I think, and this is only opinion, that anytime a team is the clear number 1, that team should not be able to decide who they play.
Steve >>
Yes, but the computers are only a portion of the formula that has OSU at #1. The human polls are the other parts. If the 3 human polls vote Florida as #1 & Michigan #2, then what the computers say is basically moot and OSU would be on the outside looking in (kinda like Boise). So my point is that even though we know the human vote shouldn't go that way, nobody knows that for sure until the votes have been tabulated. Thus, his vote actually helps preserve his position at #1. Did that make more sense to you than what I wrote before?
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<< <i>TextI just read that Illni coach Ron Zook (ex Fla. coach) voted for Forida >>
Well, that is interesting... Illinois did not play Michigan this year >>
Wow!!! DId zook really? I am a U of I grad and that is ridiculous that he did that. I don't think he'll make it too long at Illinois. He is having a real tough time winning games.
Does any one have a link to the coaches votes?
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I just thought it would bring up an interesting discussion and further show how unfair the system is.
Dirt, yes it makes more sense now to me.
Bottom line though, IMO, OSU was in 1st place for at least the last month. It is in that regard that i felt that it would be best for the number 1 team to not have a vote. That way they could not determine who they play. Is it possible that the 1st place team could vote for a weaker team and that team winds up playing them?
How else could they come up with rankings then? Wit so much money involved (I think each bowl team gets 11 mil?) you are going to get this sorta of crap happening.
Steve
<< <i>I personally do not have a problem with him for not voting, in fact I like Tressel very much. But as some have said the system sucks, all the Big Ten coaches lined up for Michigan and all the SEC coaches for Florida, so how honest is that poll. Anyway if OSU beats Florida by more than 3 points who deserves to be #2 then?
I just thought it would bring up an interesting discussion and further show how unfair the system is. >>
The voters are wishy-washy dumba$$es anyways. How can they still vote Michigan at #2 after a loss, and then drop them twice while they weren't even playing? Michigan had a small lead over USC and quite a large lead over Florida. But then first they drop because USC thumps Notre Dame, the same team Michigan had already thumped so that shouldn't have changed anything. Then they drop again after Florida beats Arkansas in a bonus game. Arkansas is a solid team, but they have lost 2 in a row so maybe they are finally crumbling. Honestly, Arkansas wasn't even ranked to start the season and got steamrolled by USC in the first game, 50-14. They then dropped a game right before the Florida game, so in the end Florida gets to move ahead of Michigan after they handed Arkansas their third loss. Arkansas, a team who struggled to close victories over Alabama, Vanderbilt & South Carolina...
So even though Florida finished off "strong" with nail biters against Vanderbilt, South Carolina and Florida St and handily beating a middle school, their perceived SOS (based on weak schedules bolstering an idiotic formula) has the voters pushing them ahead of Michigan? Yeah, that makes sense.
Hopefully we, the viewers/fans, don't have to pay for it with a totally lousy game to watch...
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Lee
<< <i>SI article with ILLNI coach Ron Zook saying he voted for FLORIDA. >>
He voted them #1...what a crock.
<< <i>TextHe voted them #1...what a crock. >>
Agreed...
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