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Feedback appreciated: A very cool Battle Creek -reverse toner DPL

dizzyfoxxdizzyfoxx Posts: 9,823 ✭✭✭
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This is a great example of a very impressive reverse-toned Proof-like Morgan from the Battle Creek collection.
It sure seems like a very image example.image
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  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    You sure spend an inordinate amount of time singing the praises of these coins. Exactly who are you trying to convince? Yourself?

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  • Newcomp103Newcomp103 Posts: 2,223 ✭
    Very nice coin...looks to be graded conservatively also. I like it a lot!
  • dragondragon Posts: 4,548 ✭✭
    Just going from those pics, that coin looks to me like an average 64 with very borderline mirrors for a DPL designation and just so-so color on the reverse. Maybe it looks a lot better in person?

  • JJMJJM Posts: 8,080 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I wouldnt kick it out of the slab box !......whats the dark mark on the cheek though??????
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  • mgoodm3mgoodm3 Posts: 17,497 ✭✭✭
    Looks OK, photography better than most.
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  • LastExitInNYLastExitInNY Posts: 600 ✭
    nice coin. thank GOD its not another ugly KENNEDY thread
  • pharmerpharmer Posts: 8,355 ✭


    << <i>Looks OK, photography better than most. >>



    Agreed. I'd like to see Michael or you image one of the garish ones.
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  • SmittysSmittys Posts: 9,876 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Just going from those pics, that coin looks to me like an average 64 with very borderline mirrors for a DPL designation and just so-so color on the reverse. Maybe it looks a lot better in person? >>


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  • JJMJJM Posts: 8,080 ✭✭✭✭✭
    lil rim ding there at 3 oclock too ??....I agree a soft 64, but I like the color image
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  • airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 22,359 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It's an attractive coin, but nothing special. I'd rather have more color on less mirrored surfaces. That's just one of the very many ho-hum coins to come out of the BC hoard. And yes, it's a hoard, not a pedigree or collection. Maybe hoard isn't even the correct term.
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  • MyqqyMyqqy Posts: 9,777 ✭
    I like it, but think that it's overpriced- like many of the bc hoard coins....
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  • RichieURichRichieURich Posts: 8,547 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Here's another BC Morgan on Teletrade tonight. In the interest of full disclosure, I don't own this coin and won't be bidding on it. Any thoughts on it? I'll post my comments on it after the auction ends.
    BC Morgan on Teletrade

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  • dragondragon Posts: 4,548 ✭✭


    << <i>Here's another BC Morgan on Teletrade tonight. In the interest of full disclosure, I don't own this coin and won't be bidding on it. Any thoughts on it? I'll post my comments on it after the auction ends.
    BC Morgan on Teletrade >>







    I think NGC hands out that dumbass star designation on many coins that don't deserve it. image
  • WoodenJeffersonWoodenJefferson Posts: 6,491 ✭✭✭✭
    image
    Albeit a nice example of a toned Morgan, I still don't see it
    breaking a genetic pedigree barrier.
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  • ArgentumRexArgentumRex Posts: 620 ✭


    << <i>I think NGC hands out that dumbass star designation on many coins that don't deserve it. image >>





    Now bite your tongue, mister! Check out this (non-BC) NGC star toned beauty. I guess it must really be stunning in hand.



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  • dizzyfoxxdizzyfoxx Posts: 9,823 ✭✭✭


    << <i>You sure spend an inordinate amount of time singing the praises of these coins. Exactly who are you trying to convince? Yourself?

    Russ, NCNE >>



    image No Russ, I'm actually trying to convince you to buy one.image
    Then I'll know they're something special.imageimage
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  • dragondragon Posts: 4,548 ✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>I think NGC hands out that dumbass star designation on many coins that don't deserve it. image >>





    Now bite your tongue, mister! Check out this (non-BC) NGC star toned beauty. I guess it must really be stunning in hand.



    image >>






    Uh huh, see what I mean?
  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Here's another BC Morgan on Teletrade tonight. Any thoughts on it? >>



    Here's my thoughts:

    image

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  • MyqqyMyqqy Posts: 9,777 ✭
    That bc morgan on teletrade is a freakin' joke. It doesn't deserve a star, and did you see that ginormous rim hit on the obverse side!!! image
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  • dizzyfoxxdizzyfoxx Posts: 9,823 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Here's another BC Morgan on Teletrade tonight. Any thoughts on it? >>



    Here's my thoughts:

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    Russ, NCNE >>



    Well Russ, at least you have thoughts regarding the BC's... that's a start, at least.image
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  • dragondragon Posts: 4,548 ✭✭


    << <i>That bc morgan on teletrade is a freakin' joke. It doesn't deserve a star, and did you see that ginormous rim hit on the obverse side!!! image >>





    I have seen firsthand that some of the grading on these NGC graded "hoard" coins like Binion and Battle Creek has been very erratic to say the least, some coins undergraded by as much as 2 points and some way overgraded and some have star designations that make no sense whatsoever to me.

    I have 2 Morgans with the Binion pedigree and the coin graded a 63 is no question a better coin in every respect then the one graded a 65. If you put them side by side it's laughable.
  • DD Posts: 1,997 ✭✭✭
    Must be something wrong with the coin, the saturation isn't tweaked. I'd stay away!

    -D
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  • SkyManSkyMan Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭✭✭
    While I appreciate Dizzy's enthusiasm for BC's, I have to say it does make me wince from time to time. The BC dpl he is advocating is lot # 254 from BC 5. The majority of BC coins sold at BC 5 were the sweepings of the BC collection (not quite the dregs, but including some of that too). This coin, lot 254, in hand is, IMO, thoroughly uninspiring. There were 3 dpl's in BC 5, lots 254 (reverse), 255 (obverse), and 256 (reverse). In my catalogue (SEE ya' can't do this with the auction website page... well actually you can, but it takes more work) I marked them as, "Blah, OK, OK". I bought lot 256, because the little bit of toning looked nice (kind of watery) on the mirrors and the price was right. Personally, while I think 256 is pretty I would not give it a star. I did not bid on lot 254 period as it did zippo for me.

    The other BC linked by Dragon definitely looks like something that would have been unloaded at BC 5. I CERTAINLY would not have given it the star.

    Here are a couple images of lot 256, the coin I won, which, IMO looked a heck of a lot better than the one Dizzy is refering to, but as mentioned I still wouldn't give it a star. The first image is a luster shot and the second is a color shot.

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  • pharmerpharmer Posts: 8,355 ✭
    He's outta control. But does serve to provide an opening for additional BC posts like yours.
    Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

    Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."

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  • fountainheadgoldfountainheadgold Posts: 2,467 ✭
    a reverse toned Pl BC

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  • pharmerpharmer Posts: 8,355 ✭
    See? More opportunities to see the infamous images. So, let's see, bad PR, but more posts. The judges have ruled dizy a net plus for the guild.
    Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

    Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."

    image
  • dizzyfoxxdizzyfoxx Posts: 9,823 ✭✭✭


    << <i>See? More opportunities to see the infamous images. So, let's see, bad PR, but more posts. The judges have ruled dizy a net plus for the guild. >>



    image

    Now Bill, regarding the BC's, you don't feel that I'm... image Do You?imageimage
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  • dizzyfoxxdizzyfoxx Posts: 9,823 ✭✭✭
    For the record, I image the Battle Creeks and the pedigree, as mystical as it may be. Some of the coins are ok, some are image and some are just plain dazzling. I only have one example so I don't think I can be labeled as biased. The coins will grow in popularity more and more over time without a doubt in my opinion, and the top 10% of the BC coins are within the top 1% of the best toned Morgans in the hobby.image
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  • stmanstman Posts: 11,352 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>The coins will grow in popularity more and more over time without a doubt in my opinion, >>



    Keep tryin' Dizzy!!imageimage
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  • dizzyfoxxdizzyfoxx Posts: 9,823 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>The coins will grow in popularity more and more over time without a doubt in my opinion, >>



    Keep tryin' Dizzy!!imageimage >>



    Man!!! Tough crowd!imageimage
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  • DD Posts: 1,997 ✭✭✭


    << <i>For the record, I image the Battle Creeks and the pedigree, as mystical as it may be. Some of the coins are ok, some are image and some are just plain dazzling. I only have one example so I don't think I can be labeled as biased. The coins will grow in popularity more and more over time without a doubt in my opinion, and the top 10% of the BC coins are within the top 1% of the best toned Morgans in the hobby.image >>



    I had no idea these were your feelings.

    -D
    "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."

    -Aristotle

    Dum loquimur fugerit invida aetas. Carpe diem quam minimum credula postero.

    -Horace
  • dizzyfoxxdizzyfoxx Posts: 9,823 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>For the record, I image the Battle Creeks and the pedigree, as mystical as it may be. Some of the coins are ok, some are image and some are just plain dazzling. I only have one example so I don't think I can be labeled as biased. The coins will grow in popularity more and more over time without a doubt in my opinion, and the top 10% of the BC coins are within the top 1% of the best toned Morgans in the hobby.image >>



    I had no idea these were your feelings.

    -D >>



    I know, I know, that's why I had to set the record straight once and for all.image
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  • SkyManSkyMan Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I was hoping you'd post that one FHG. A fun coin. As you mentioned, it was a PL not a DPL. IMO the single best reverse toner of the BC's was a PL coin, BC 1 lot 1300.



    << <i>Some of the coins are ok, some are image and some are just plain dazzling. >>



    Dizzy, let's not forget that a good chunk, say 400 to 500 out of 1400, are just, well, I wouldn't call them trash, but let's say your basic Morgan... MS60 to 63 white widgets. There is NO way they should have been included under the BC heading.
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  • JRoccoJRocco Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>See? More opportunities to see the infamous images. So, let's see, bad PR, but more posts. The judges have ruled dizy a net plus for the guild. >>



    It isn't just you noticing Pharmerimage
    Some coins are just plain "Interesting"
  • dizzyfoxxdizzyfoxx Posts: 9,823 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I was hoping you'd post that one FHG. A fun coin. As you mentioned, it was a PL not a DPL. IMO the single best reverse toner of the BC's was a PL coin, BC 1 lot 1300.



    << <i>Some of the coins are ok, some are image and some are just plain dazzling. >>



    Dizzy, let's not forget that a good chunk, say 400 to 500 out of 1400, are just, well, I wouldn't call them trash, but let's say your basic Morgan... MS60 to 63 white widgets. There is NO way they should have been included under the BC heading. >>



    Sy, your posts (as well as Sunnywood's and coingame2000's) on the Battle Creek subject, are always appreciated and contain valueable substance.
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  • JRoccoJRocco Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hey Dizz man you have to be careful...................... keep this brown nose stuff up and everything will always have that "off" smell for youimage
    Some coins are just plain "Interesting"
  • dizzyfoxxdizzyfoxx Posts: 9,823 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Hey Dizz man you have to be careful...................... keep this brown nose stuff up and everything will always have that "off" smell for youimage >>



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  • HighReliefHighRelief Posts: 3,717 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Toned DMPL Morgans are always tops on my list. That 1886 Battle Creek reverse toner sure is showing some nice color against those mirrors.

  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,194 ✭✭✭✭✭
    IMO, this coin got the star not for the color but for the lovely frost on Liberty's cheek. Premium for a 64 [Not that I know Jack Schitt about Morgans.]

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  • HighReliefHighRelief Posts: 3,717 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Here is one of my favorite frosty cameo toned DMPL's

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  • MyqqyMyqqy Posts: 9,777 ✭
    and the pedigree, as mystical as it may be

    Are you high? There is nothing mystical about a hoard of morgans. And I love morgans. image
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  • dizzyfoxxdizzyfoxx Posts: 9,823 ✭✭✭


    << <i>and the pedigree, as mystical as it may be

    Are you high? There is nothing mystical about a hoard of morgans. And I love morgans. image >>



    Mystical regarding the sequence of events as to the complete provenance of this collection... Are you high?image
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  • dragondragon Posts: 4,548 ✭✭
    <<< and the top 10% of the BC coins are within the top 1% of the best toned Morgans in the hobby. >>>



    Have you been around long enough to make a statment like that with any conviction or substance, or just a wild guess from looking at a few online pics here and there?
  • RichieURichRichieURich Posts: 8,547 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Here's another BC Morgan on Teletrade tonight. Any thoughts on it? >>



    Here's my thoughts:

    image

    Russ, NCNE >>



    Just how big does an obverse rim dent have to be, for the coin not to be an NGC-MS65* grade?

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  • dizzyfoxxdizzyfoxx Posts: 9,823 ✭✭✭


    << <i><<< and the top 10% of the BC coins are within the top 1% of the best toned Morgans in the hobby. >>>



    Have you been around long enough to make a statment like that with any conviction or substance, or just a wild guess from looking at a few online pics here and there? >>



    First of all, what's a Morgan dollar???imageimage
    Now, to answer your question seriously... Yes, I can make that statement with conviction and substance. But of course it's JMWO.image
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  • clw54clw54 Posts: 3,815 ✭✭✭
    If it's a "collection," who had them before?
  • dizzyfoxxdizzyfoxx Posts: 9,823 ✭✭✭
    For the most part I can see my enthusiasm regarding Battle Creeks falls on deaf ears (or at least uninterested ears) here on the forum. I will cease from creating threads on these coins, but, I will certainly reply to any threads that pertain to them. Ding, dong the 'witch' is dead.image
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  • clw54clw54 Posts: 3,815 ✭✭✭


    << <i>For the most part I can see my enthusiasm regarding Battle Creeks falls on deaf ears (or at least uninterested ears) here on the forum. I will cease from creating threads on these coins, but, I will certainly reply to any threads that pertain to them. Ding, dong the 'witch' is dead.image >>


    The thing that bothers me is that it's not known where they came from, which precludes it from being a "collection." It also precludes it from being a "pedigree." How can coins ostensibly from unopened bags be a collection when the previous owner never set eyes on them? It's a submission, that's all. If they called it the "Battle Creek Submission," much of the controversy would go away.
  • michaelmichael Posts: 9,524 ✭✭✭
    Just going from those pics, that coin looks to me like an average 64 with very borderline mirrors for a DPL designation and just so-so color on the reverse.
  • notwilightnotwilight Posts: 12,864 ✭✭✭
    Sorry, I don't collect morgans but threads like this are fun so I read them. Does anyone have a link to the story of these coins. Was is a famous collection or what? -Jerry

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