will Florida be worthy?

rbdjr1

Ohio St vs. Florida Gators!

Pass the Tostitos pleeeeeze!



maybe we will see a few future NFL superstars playing in this game? edit: ...and some future PSA material too?

mcholke

As a Buckeyes fan I was rooting for Florida to get in but I know to be careful for what you wish for. I will be in attendance at the game this year cheering for another Buckeyes win in the desert.

ajmoeller81

I hope not.

I think Michigan is the only team capable of beating Ohio State, and much like the NFL, it's hard to beat the same team twice. Hopefully Michigan could win the more important of the two games and spoil OSU's perfect season.

I also don't like when coaches like Urban Meyer start crying about the system and try to change the rules to suit their perogatives. It worked back when Mack Brown did it but I hope it doesn't work this time.

jradke4

No. The BCS is total BS. Norte Dame in a BCS bowl game is a joke with Wisconsin and Auburn not in a BCS games shows what a scam the system is. Wisconsin was screwed since the BCS cant take 3 teams from the same conference. Yet in the latest USA Today poll its #5 and #6 in the AP poll.

NewJerseyMeatHook

I think Michigan is the only team capable of beating Ohio State

Amen, brother.

Don't care for either school, personally, but believe Big Ten football, year in and year out, is the best in the country.

Not a sermon, just a thought.

jradke4

<< <i> I think Michigan is the only team capable of beating Ohio State

Amen, brother.

Don't care for either school, personally, but believe Big Ten football, year in and year out, is the best in the country.

Not a sermon, just a thought. >>



Your not alone.

Carew29

I remember this shortly after the BCS started-----

B-----BAD
C----COMPUTER
S----SYSTEM

rbdjr1

This great-great grandmother from Michigan, let her feelings be known about the BCS title game!

rd

mkg809

Arsenal83

It just seems like 4 things hurt Michigan in the eyes of the voters:

1. Finishing their season earlier than Florida gave Florida one more week to impress voters without competition;
2. Losing later in the season than Florida and that loss is still fresh in the voters' mind
3. Voters not wanting to see a re-match of a game played a month or so earlier.
4. Coach Carr is not the most personable coach in the country.

It really sucks because I think Michigan proved very capable of beating OSU, especially at a neutral site. The good news is that it the Rose Bowl should wind up being a pretty entertaining game.

MPeter

Does anyone even eat Tostitos? I'm more for the Sour Cream and Onion Lays Stax!

lawnmowerman

Yes they are worthy and will probably win

ndleo

From Ohio State's point of view, if UM got in, why should they have to beat UM twice to win the national title and UM only has to beat them once? UM already had their shot at OSU and lost, why should Florida be denied a shot?

OSU beat UM solidly. The Buckeyes had a 14-point at halftime, a 12 point lead going into the fourth quarter, and a 11-point lead going into the last 2:13. UM scored a late TD and a 2pt to bring it within 3. OSU was never in a position to lose the game.

Believe me, I am not a Florida fan, but you can't say that 12-1 SEC Champ is undeserving. It's going to be a good game if Florida's defense can get to Troy Smith. Something UM wasn't able to do (316 yd, 4 TDs).

As for playoff, I'm not for it. College football already has a playoff, the regular season. If there was a playoff, the late regular season games wouldn't matter as much. Plus you would see fewer quality non-conference games. A Sept. OSU vs Texas wouldn't happen if there is a playoff since it is too risky. I for one don't need to see anymore MAC or Division 2 schools going into the Big 10 or SEC stadiums.

EDIT: They should make a BCS rule that only a conference champ can play in the title game.

Tabe

<< <i>From Ohio State's point of view, if UM got in, why should they have to beat UM twice to win the national title and UM only has to beat them once? UM already had their shot at OSU and lost, why should Florida be denied a shot? >>


Because a 3-point win at home, a win that came as a direct result of a bonehead penalty, means that the two teams are essentially equals.



<< <i>OSU beat UM solidly. The Buckeyes had a 14 point at halftime, a 12 point lead going into the fourth quarter, and a 11-point lead going into the last 2:13. UM scored a late TD and a 2pt to bring it within 3. OSU was never in a position to lose the game. >>


OSU was dominated in the second half and got outscored 25-14. But for the bonehead penalty, they get outscored 25-7.



<< <i>Believe me, I am not a Florida fan, but you can't say that 12-1 SEC Champ is undeserving. It's going to be a good game if Florida's defense can get to Troy Smith. Something UM wasn't able to do (316 yd, 4 TDs). >>


I don't consider Florida unworthy, I just don't think they're the second-best team this year. I think the voters voted on an anti-rematch basis rather than a pick-the-two-best-teams basis.

Ironic to see Urban Meyer complaining about the rematch aspect a week ago given that that's how Florida won their only national title - by winning a rematch game.

Either way, congrats to both Florida and Ohio State for earning a spot in the title game.

Tabe

ndleo

I think the voters voted for the two best teams in the nation.

In reality Florida should play UM for 2nd place because it seems unfair to OSU to potentially have 1-loss and not win the national title while Florida and UM could win with 1-loss.

Axtell

There's no way Florida is a better team than Michigan...what an utter crock.

Lothar52

OSU gave michigan 10 points off silly stupid turnovers and everyone thinks that OSU only TRULY beat michican by 3 points..HA!!! We did a good job of keeping them in the game with fumbled snaps, bad snaps and tipped interceptions (2 of which were in our territory giving them 10 points ...which OSU had not given ANY points away off turnovers all year....and another that killed a OSU drive deep in mich territory) but in the end the better team won. the CORRECT answer is: NOBODY IS GOOD ENOUGH TO PLAY OSU.....

rbdjr1

ndleo, said it best. Michigan had their chance to beat Ohio State and failed. Because of Florida's SEC Title win over Arkansas, that extra game (and impressive win) last Saturday was just enough to "shut the door on Michigan!

Most polls picked Florida ahead of Michigan this week, and, in my opinion, the BCS got it right also! In what seemed to be a very close vote on their (BCS) part.

We shall see if Florida is worthy or not? Both teams have over a month to prepare for this great title game!


rd

bobbybakeriv

I think UF will get smoked but I could be wrong. If the media starts saying as much, it could be quite motivational for the Gators. Florida has great athletes on both sides of the ball and Meyer is a very smart coach. Just my opinion. What do I know, I'm Sooner born and bred.

rbdjr1

Think about this:

The #13 Rutgers Scarlet Knights (were 10-2 this year!), lost this weekend to West Virgina in a thriller, 41-39, in triple overtime! And last month, lost to Cincinnati.

...and if they somehow won the those two games and went 12-0.

It most likely would have been: Ohio State vs. Rutgers! Wow!


rd


edit: Footnote: Nice try Scarlet Knights! A field goal in the third overtime by West Virginia gave the Big East Title to Louisville, and a BCS bowl birth. Wow! What a game! (Oh well! Rutgers will play Kansas State on December 28th, in the Texas Bowl)

RonBurgundy

I think Lothar 52 is right on the money. If Ohio State doesn't give up a late TD off it's prevent defense, they win 42-31 and scUM drops to #3 or #4, and they're not even part of the weekend conversation.



Ron

markj111

There is no way Michigan deserves to be in the title game. We do not know who the best team is. Ohio State is undefeated, but they beat two teams in the top 25-Texas (a 3 loss team with a freshman QB in his first big game, and Michigan). They barely beat a bad Illinois team, and Penn State was in a position to beat them late in the game. OSU had two pick sixes very late to make the game appear more lopsided than it was. Michigan beat Notre Dame and Wisconsin-neither of whom beat a top 25 team-and squeaked by a bad Ball State team.

Florida is 9-1 against Bowl eligible teams. It lost a 3 point game at Auburn in which it did not give up an offensive touchdown (I know the margin was actually ten-Auburn scored a defensive touchdown on the last play of the game).

Those of you who say the Big Ten is tougher than the SEC this year are delusional. To allow one conference to have two teams in the championship game, when there has been no intertsectional play, would be unconscionable. Boise and Louisville might have a beef, Michigan does not. Michigan is a 2nd place team in its own conference.

jradke4

USA Today Poll.

1. OSU
2. Florida
3. Michigan
4. LSU
5. Wisconsin
6. Lousiville
7. USC

AP Poll

1. OSU
2. Florida
3. Michigan
4. LSU
5. Lousiville
6. Wisconsin
7. Oklahoma

BCS

1. OSU
2. Florida
3. Michigan
4. LSU
5. USC
6. Lousiville
7. Wisconsin


So in every poll there are 3 Big Ten teams in the top 7. The real scam about the BCS is that a team like Wisconsin is out because their can only be 2 teams max, from the same conference in BCS bowl games. Both Conference's have two in the top 4. So its hard to say which is the best. But that will be settled in the bowl games.

RonBurgundy

Well, if you want to get into squeakers, you left out Florida's squeaker over LSU. And Tennessee. And Vanderbilt. And S. Carolina. But I digress.



Ron

ldferg

...ndleo, said it best. Michigan had their chance to beat Ohio State and failed. Because of Florida's SEC Title win over Arkansas, that extra game (and impressive win) last Saturday was just enough to "shut the door on Michigan!

Most polls picked Florida ahead of Michigan this week, and, in my opinion, the BCS got it right also! In what seemed to be a very close vote on their (BCS) part.

We shall see if Florida is worthy or not? Both teams have over a month to prepare for this great title game!...


my thoughts as well.

tennesseebanker

Until they let the teams settle it on the field there will always be arguments of who should be worthy to play for the National Title.
Do I think Florida is worthy ? Yes, I think they are the most worthy team to play in the title game against OSU.

And being from Tennessee I dont like saying this But,

GO GATORS ! Win one for the SEC !

larryallen73

I am a west coast guy so have no strong allegience to either Fla or Michigan. In my uneducated opinion you could pick either of them as there are good arguments on both sides. It's just a toss up. Is the SEC better than the Big 10? Who played a tougher schedule? What wouldof, couldof, shouldof happened if, if, if.... Who can really say all that for sure. Both are very good conferences with many great teams, a few pretty good teams, and a couple of cupcakes. Listenening to Colin Cowherd on ESPN radio this morning, who I really enjoy, I feel confident that Fla was the slightly better choice. However, I hope OSU beats them down as I get tired of SEC blowhards saying how great their conference is.
P.S. Also, strongly routing for Boise State to show that the little guys can be competitive!

tennesseebanker

You mean Cowherd actually had something good to say about the SEC ?
I'm Surprised he wasnt crying about the Trojans not making it in.

markj111

"Well, if you want to get into squeakers, you left out Florida's squeaker over LSU. And Tennessee. And Vanderbilt. And S. Carolina. But I digress. " I guess you will digress since the facts are not on your side.


The South Carolina game was closer than it should have been, but SC is much better than Ball State and is going to a bowl.

Florida beat LSU (going to a BCS Bowl) by 13, and they beat Tennesse (which emabarassed Cal) on the road. The Vandy score was 25-19, but only after Vandy scored 13 4th quarter points. Remember that Michigan-Vandy was 10-7 at the half.

I an not saying that Florida is better than Michigan, because I do not know. I do know that if you have an off week in the SEC you will get beat. That is not the case in the Big Ten. Michigan's two big wins are against ND and Wisc. What do those two teams have in common-neither beat a top 25 team.

Michigan had its chance.

FavreFan1971

OSU is the cream this year.

The BCS is BS. Wisconsin is in the top 7 of every poll and no BCS Bowl. What a crock. Here is my solution.

A playoff is needed. You can keep the crappy BCS computer rankings and put in the top 8 teams regardless of conference. There would be only three games to win the national championship. This yearThe #1 vs #8 would be the Capital One Bowl #2 vs # 7 Gator Bowl #3 vs #6 Sugar Bowl #4 vs #5 Cotton Bowl Winners move on to next week. For simlicity sake no upsets. #1 vs #4 Rose Bowl #2 vs #3 Orange Bowl Winners move on. #1 vs #2 Fiesta Bowl.

Now the cool part is the Cotton, Gator and Capital One Bowl will change each year to other low end bowls. Therefore EVERYONE wins. BCS bowls (Rose, Orange, Fiesta and Sugar) will always have the three top games and the 4 vs 5 game each year. They don't lose their money. Now think of the ratings. Saturday two weeks before Christmas you have three bowl games and one the Friday before. You are rivaling NFL ratings for this. The NCAA Basketball tourny has amazing ratings in this format. The second round of games would the week before Christmas and the final would be the week after New Years.

My 2 cents. I hate the BCS!

larryallen73

You mean Cowherd actually had something good to say about the SEC ?

TN - Interesting you say that as I feel Cowherd is more west coast bias than any other ESPN announcer, BUT he also gives huge credit to the SEC. I have heard him many times talk about SEC football with a great deal of respect. If you asked him to rank the conferences I bet he puts SEC first... just a guess.

Boopotts

<< <i>I am a west coast guy so have no strong allegience to either Fla or Michigan. In my uneducated opinion you could pick either of them as there are good arguments on both sides. It's just a toss up. Is the SEC better than the Big 10? Who played a tougher schedule? What wouldof, couldof, shouldof happened if, if, if.... Who can really say all that for sure. Both are very good conferences with many great teams, a few pretty good teams, and a couple of cupcakes. Listenening to Colin Cowherd on ESPN radio this morning, who I really enjoy, I feel confident that Fla was the slightly better choice. However, I hope OSU beats them down as I get tired of SEC blowhards saying how great their conference is.
P.S. Also, strongly routing for Boise State to show that the little guys can be competitive! >>



These are my sediments exactly. It's a close call between Florida or Michigan, so neither team-- nor their fans-- should start whining about not getting a crack at the Buckeyes in January. the Great Doofus Lloyd Carr was already started sniveling about Florida's inclusion in the BCS championship game, but screw that guy. The Wolverines got worked by the Buckeyes--nobody I know who watched it thought that was really a 'three point game'-- so as far as I'm concerned they have no right to cry. And I would feel the exact same way about Urban Meyer if Michigan had gotten the nod.

But in the final analysis there's no sense in getting fired up about all of this since the BCS is so clearly a fraudulent excercise. When you consider that a loss early in the season counts for less than a loss later in the season, that the first polls (which go a long way towards determining your final ranking) are conducted before anyone has even taken the field, and that 'the general perception' of a team informs the voter's decisions on where to rank them, it becomes impossible to take anything the BCS does seriously. Consider the ram jobs that Oregon, USC and Auburn have suffered in the past because of this stupid system. When a team that DOESN'T EVEN PLAY IN IT'S CONFERENCE CHAMPIONSHIP GAME is invited to play for the 'national title' you know you can dismiss outright any future decisions that the BCS may make.

Boopotts

<< <i>OSU is the cream this year.

The BCS is BS. Wisconsin is in the top 7 of every poll and no BCS Bowl. What a crock. >>




Wisconsin fans have no right to complain. The Badgers played one ranked team all year, and they lost that one. If Wisky wants to be taken seriously then they need to do something other than schedule Buffalo, Bowling Green, Western Illinois and San Diego State-- or at least make an effort to schedule up those years that they don't play OSU. Bill Snyder would be proud of their schedule, but I don't think anybody else should be.

sagard

OSU should be playing LSU, Florida should be playing Michigan.

bhl2359

<< <i>OSU should be playing LSU, Florida should be playing Michigan. >>


Why would LSU get a shot at Ohio State over the Gators when
1. Florida beat them
2. They have 2 losses
3. They aren't a conference champion?

Unless you were proposing the format for a 4-team playoff?

tennesseebanker

<< <i>You mean Cowherd actually had something good to say about the SEC ?

TN - Interesting you say that as I feel Cowherd is more west coast bias than any other ESPN announcer, BUT he also gives huge credit to the SEC. I have heard him many times talk about SEC football with a great deal of respect. If you asked him to rank the conferences I bet he puts SEC first... just a guess. >>



You are correct at times, he does speak with some deal of respect for the SEC. But in the same breath he will run them down in the next sentenece.

Kurtman9

<< <i>Do I think Florida is worthy ? Yes, I think they are the most worthy team to play in the title game against OSU.

And being from Tennessee I dont like saying this But,

GO GATORS ! Win one for the SEC ! >>



AMEN Brutha!

jerster

OSU will beat Florida by smacking them into submission.

Michigan will beat USC because USC Trojans are spawns from Hell.

OSU finishes #1. Michigan finishes back at #2.

Then they should playoff Jan 15 for the championship.

Had Michigan lost to OSU in the 6th game of the season by three points, Michigan would be playing in Glendale.

rbdjr1

<< <i>OSU will beat Florida by smacking them into submission.

Michigan will beat USC because USC Trojans are spawns from Hell.

OSU finishes #1. Michigan finishes back at #2.

Then they should playoff Jan 15 for the championship.

Had Michigan lost to OSU in the 6th game of the season by three points, Michigan would be playing in Glendale. >>




The BCS is a creature of good and bad timimg. Michigan's timing was bad (i.e., a loss to OS) and Florida's timing was good(i.e., won the SEC title game against Arkansas!)...

rd


edit: You can say "if this" and "if that" about a lot of teams, this year, and just about any year!

ndleo

<< <i>OSU will beat Florida by smacking them into submission.

Michigan will beat USC because USC Trojans are spawns from Hell.

OSU finishes #1. Michigan finishes back at #2.

Then they should playoff Jan 15 for the championship.

Had Michigan lost to OSU in the 6th game of the season by three points, Michigan would be playing in Glendale. >>



The only flaw in that logic is OSU and UM would have to play a third time if UM won the second game. OSU shouldn't lose the national title just because UM beat them once.

Amazing that neither team in the Rose Bowl really wants to be there.