1964 SMS TELL ME WHAT YOU KNOW ABOUT THEM

Nu2koyns

HAS ANY BODY EVER SEEN ONE ? I BOUGHT ONE ON EBAY TODAY WITH SOME OTHER COINS. IT IS IN CELLO WITH THE SPECIAL MINT SET BLUE TOKEN. IS THIS THE RARE SET? I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY ONLY STRUCK 10 - 15 OF THESE AS TRIAL RUNS FOR THE 65 SMS. IF THIS IS TRUE IS IT POSIBLE THAT THIS IS ONE. ANY HELP?

AU58WALKERS

sounds like a 64 proof set.

AU58WALKERS

1964 sms
another

Nu2koyns

ON THE TOKEN IT SAYS US MINT SPECIAL MINT SET . IVE PURCHASED SEVERAL 65, SETS AND THE TOKEN IS THE SAME BLUE WITH SILVER LETTERING AND SAYS THE SAME THING. I JUST WANT TO BE SURE OF WHAT I BOUGHT. IT WOULD BE A VERY GOOD THING IF A GENUINE 64 SMS. BUT SOME HOW I HAVE MY DOUBTS.

AU58WALKERS

got a link or ebay item number?

AU58WALKERS

i just looked at 5 1964 proof sets the insert on all 5 says "us mint philadelphia"

...and it isn't a token, it is paper insert

Nu2koyns

IF YOU GIVE ME A SEC I CAN GET YOU THE ITEM # THE PICS IN THE LISTING ARE NOT CLOES ENOUGH TO SEE THE DATES BUT YOU CAN MAKE OUT THA IT DOSE SAY SPECIAL MINT SET ON THE TOKEN. ALSO THE DON'T DESIGNATE WHAT MINT THEY WERE SRTUCK AT THOUGH IT WAS PHILADELPHIA.

Nu2koyns

THE LISTING READS , AND I HAVE TO LAUGH AT THIS BECAUSE I DON'T GENERALY BUY THESE THINGS HOWEVER SEEING THE SMS LISTED I JUST HAD TO. IT READS "GRAB BAG OF GOODIES ALL AMERICAN COINS& BILLS #120059130394.

50cents

Link

Nu2koyns

<< <i>i just looked at 5 1964 proof sets the insert on all 5 says "us mint philadelphia"

...and it isn't a token, it is paper insert >>

SORRY BUT THE SMS " INSERT" IS PLASTIC NOT PAPER BUT YOU ARE CORRECT IT IS NOT A TOKEN .

AU58WALKERS

I'll be shocked if it is a 1964.

Nu2koyns

YEA, YOU AND ME BOTH IT BEING OFFERED IN SUCH A WAY WAS STRANGE CONCIDERING THE RARITY AND THE VALUE. BUT YOU JUST NEVER KNOW.

Coxe

If that indeed is a 1964 SMS, you have made one amazing deal. An immediate induction into the YOU SUCK Hall of Fame (not Shame -- Sucking is a good thing).

What I do know about the 1964 SMS coins is that I have the cent (PCGS 65RD) and quarter (PCGS 64) and I got neither of them anywhere close to as low as that lot purchase .... and I think I got a sweet deal considering the potential. Basically, they represent the desputable (as some might point to an overdate, a '64 Peace dollar, aluminum cent, 43 copper or 44 steel cent) top rarities of the 20th century. IMHO they are still undervalued and way underfollowed. Many collectors of the composite series are completely unaware of their existence and extreme rarity.

Coxe

I tried to work on the best pic there and it is below. The half looks like it could be 1964 but the quarter really looks like 1965. What do the others think? (And do revisit this when you get it in hand. If it is an original wrapped 1964 SMS, my advice is to keep it that way rather than holder the coins.)

Bochiman

I'd agree on the 1965 date....the half looks like it and the quarter looks like it.

Nu2koyns....can you please stop using all caps? Not a very "nice" thing to do on the internet or message boards....

Gemineye

....What is it a '64 or a '65 ...........

coinguy1

To my knowledge, the 1964 SMS coins were experimental in nature and NEVER offered in any type of U.S. Mint packaging. You bought something other than a 1964 SMS.

Russ

Just looks like a 1965 set that was described incorrectly in the listing.

Russ, NCNE

NumisOxide

Going by the blury image:

The half appears to be a 1964 but the quarter appears to be 1965. Sorry, but it's most likely a 1965 set.

MrEureka

To my knowledge, the 1964 SMS coins were experimental in nature and NEVER offered in any type of U.S. Mint packaging.

When the first 64 SMS coins hit the market, the coins were in fact in U.S. Mint packaging. As I recall, they were packaged like any other 64 proof set. All of the sets I saw came from Stacks auctions. Does anyone know of any others that definitely didn't come out through Stacks?

MadMarty

<< <i>To my knowledge, the 1964 SMS coins were experimental in nature and NEVER offered in any type of U.S. Mint packaging.

When the first 64 SMS coins hit the market, the coins were in fact in U.S. Mint packaging. As I recall, they were packaged like any other 64 proof set. All of the sets I saw came from Stacks auctions. Does anyone know of any others that definitely didn't come out through Stacks? >>



The box of 50 sets Russ has in his safe, along with the rolls of 64 peace dollars!!

segoja

I just purchased an almost complete 1964 SMS set for a client recently. All PCGS authenticated.

The coins have a very peculiar look to them, almost a matte like surface with a lot of die polish lines. There is very little reflective surface to any of the coins.

The coins in this auction look nothing like the real deal, even with the poor picture.

coinguy1

<< <i>To my knowledge, the 1964 SMS coins were experimental in nature and NEVER offered in any type of U.S. Mint packaging.

When the first 64 SMS coins hit the market, the coins were in fact in U.S. Mint packaging. As I recall, they were packaged like any other 64 proof set. All of the sets I saw came from Stacks auctions. Does anyone know of any others that definitely didn't come out through Stacks? >>

Andy, thanks for setting the record straight on the packaging, and my apologies to the forum for having misspoken. I was aware of where they came from, but unaware that they were in mint packaging when Stack's sold them. The ones I saw while a grader at NGC had apparently been removed from that packaging before being submitted for grading.

I haven't heard of any which have been traced to sources other than Stack's (ex Merkin estate?) sales.

RichieURich

This is a great thread from which I have learned a lot about a topic I knew little about previously. Thanks to all who have posted!

sinin1

64 SMS sets are worth alot

many times sellers of bulk lots either inadvertantly oe intentionally miss a date or mintmark making a common coin seem rare

as a buyer it is hard to ask the seller about a potential rarity without tipping off to the seller of the possible value


and then again some sellers just have no clue of what they have

I like the ones that explain the coin as looking very good when it is clearly uncirculated

19Lyds

In previous threads reports were 12 to 50 sets produced. The pop reports show 27 Washing SMS's graded so there is hope that there may be more out there. Whatever you receive from this auction, please be certain to let all here know what you got!

Nu2koyns

First of all, apologies for my all caps usage. Next, I apreciate all the input in this thread. I did in a round about way inquired about the certainty of the set type befor i placed my bid. However having never seen one of these on line or in person, and thinking of all the posibilities, i went ahead and made the purchase anyway. After all if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, talks like a duck,then hopefully its not a turkey!

WoodenJefferson

1964 Special Mint Set Cent through Half Dollar PCGS. Apparently, the Mint produced a small number of 1964 sets with the same finish and method of production used for the Special Mint Sets of 1965 to 1967. This distinctive and rare variety was discovered by Stack's in 1993-94, when they were consigned to a sale by a dealer who, reportedly, obtained them from a Mint employee, and were tentatively identified as being a prototype for the special mint sets that were struck starting in 1965. Offered here is the complete five-piece set sold as one lot, certified by PCGS as follows: Cent MS65 Red SMS, a few light flecks of carbon on each side; Nickel MS68 Full Steps SMS, intricately detailed under faint blushes of golden and lilac patina; Dime MS68 SMS, bright surfaces with noticeable die polishing on the portrait; Quarter MS67 SMS, brilliant with unwavering vibrancy, being only a couple of microscopic blemishes from perfection; and Half Dollar MS67 SMS, shimmering, heavily striated surfaces are accented in soft golden hues.
From the Trane Collection.

**This is the line from the auction site that caught my attention...they were taken/removed/sold from the mint?**

This distinctive and rare variety was discovered by Stack's in 1993-94, when they were consigned to a sale by a dealer who, reportedly, obtained them from a Mint employee, and were tentatively identified as being a prototype for the special mint sets that were struck starting in 1965.

Russ

<< <i>Apparently, the Mint produced a small number of 1964 sets with the same finish and method of production used for the Special Mint Sets of 1965 to 1967. >>



Not true. The 1964 SMS coins are distinctly different from 1965 to 1967 SMS production. They are closer in finish, (although still not the same), to the 1998 "SMS" Kennedy.

Russ, NCNE

sinin1

let us know what you end up getting


a 1964 SMS has to be worth more than 20K

cladking

At least one 1964 SMS halfs was discovered in a bucket of coins.

I do not believe all of these came from Stacks and if memory serves they had unequal
numbers of the various denominations when they were sold. (about 10 to 16 of each).

fcloud

Link to a 1964 SMS dime on ebay.

RichieURich

I think if I were buying I would prefer a 1965 silver dime or quarter to the 1964 SMS coin. JMHO.

segoja

E-Bay item is too much. Look at the Baltimore sale, and you'll see two examples sold for less.

oldcameoproofsguy

<< <i> 1964 SMS has to be worth more than 20K >>



MS 68 and MS 69 examples are going for near 5 figures for all denominations.

An entire set would go for at least 40k.

Pentimento

I've waited for months! Is it safe to assume that it WAS a 1964?

MrEureka

I'm quite sure the Stacks sets being sold in the mid to late 80's, not 93/94.

jmski52

So, Nu2koyns never did follow up? Good thread anyway! Was it true about Stacks having the only authentic ones? Any new info?