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1964 SMS TELL ME WHAT YOU KNOW ABOUT THEM

HAS ANY BODY EVER SEEN ONE ? I BOUGHT ONE ON EBAY TODAY WITH SOME OTHER COINS. IT IS IN CELLO WITH THE SPECIAL MINT SET BLUE TOKEN. IS THIS THE RARE SET? I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY ONLY STRUCK 10 - 15 OF THESE AS TRIAL RUNS FOR THE 65 SMS. IF THIS IS TRUE IS IT POSIBLE THAT THIS IS ONE. ANY HELP?
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...and it isn't a token, it is paper insert
<< <i>i just looked at 5 1964 proof sets the insert on all 5 says "us mint philadelphia"
...and it isn't a token, it is paper insert >>
SORRY BUT THE SMS " INSERT" IS PLASTIC NOT PAPER BUT YOU ARE CORRECT IT IS NOT A TOKEN .
What I do know about the 1964 SMS coins is that I have the cent (PCGS 65RD) and quarter (PCGS 64) and I got neither of them anywhere close to as low as that lot purchase .... and I think I got a sweet deal considering the potential. Basically, they represent the desputable (as some might point to an overdate, a '64 Peace dollar, aluminum cent, 43 copper or 44 steel cent) top rarities of the 20th century. IMHO they are still undervalued and way underfollowed. Many collectors of the composite series are completely unaware of their existence and extreme rarity.
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The half appears to be a 1964 but the quarter appears to be 1965. Sorry, but it's most likely a 1965 set.
When the first 64 SMS coins hit the market, the coins were in fact in U.S. Mint packaging. As I recall, they were packaged like any other 64 proof set. All of the sets I saw came from Stacks auctions. Does anyone know of any others that definitely didn't come out through Stacks?
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<< <i>To my knowledge, the 1964 SMS coins were experimental in nature and NEVER offered in any type of U.S. Mint packaging.
When the first 64 SMS coins hit the market, the coins were in fact in U.S. Mint packaging. As I recall, they were packaged like any other 64 proof set. All of the sets I saw came from Stacks auctions. Does anyone know of any others that definitely didn't come out through Stacks? >>
The box of 50 sets Russ has in his safe, along with the rolls of 64 peace dollars!!
The coins have a very peculiar look to them, almost a matte like surface with a lot of die polish lines. There is very little reflective surface to any of the coins.
The coins in this auction look nothing like the real deal, even with the poor picture.
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<< <i>To my knowledge, the 1964 SMS coins were experimental in nature and NEVER offered in any type of U.S. Mint packaging.
When the first 64 SMS coins hit the market, the coins were in fact in U.S. Mint packaging. As I recall, they were packaged like any other 64 proof set. All of the sets I saw came from Stacks auctions. Does anyone know of any others that definitely didn't come out through Stacks? >>
Andy, thanks for setting the record straight on the packaging, and my apologies to the forum for having misspoken. I was aware of where they came from, but unaware that they were in mint packaging when Stack's sold them. The ones I saw while a grader at NGC had apparently been removed from that packaging before being submitted for grading.
I haven't heard of any which have been traced to sources other than Stack's (ex Merkin estate?) sales.
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many times sellers of bulk lots either inadvertantly oe intentionally miss a date or mintmark making a common coin seem rare
as a buyer it is hard to ask the seller about a potential rarity without tipping off to the seller of the possible value
and then again some sellers just have no clue of what they have
I like the ones that explain the coin as looking very good when it is clearly uncirculated
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From the Trane Collection.
**This is the line from the auction site that caught my attention...they were taken/removed/sold from the mint?**
This distinctive and rare variety was discovered by Stack's in 1993-94, when they were consigned to a sale by a dealer who, reportedly, obtained them from a Mint employee, and were tentatively identified as being a prototype for the special mint sets that were struck starting in 1965.
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<< <i>Apparently, the Mint produced a small number of 1964 sets with the same finish and method of production used for the Special Mint Sets of 1965 to 1967. >>
Not true. The 1964 SMS coins are distinctly different from 1965 to 1967 SMS production. They are closer in finish, (although still not the same), to the 1998 "SMS" Kennedy.
Russ, NCNE
a 1964 SMS has to be worth more than 20K
I do not believe all of these came from Stacks and if memory serves they had unequal
numbers of the various denominations when they were sold. (about 10 to 16 of each).
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<< <i> 1964 SMS has to be worth more than 20K >>
MS 68 and MS 69 examples are going for near 5 figures for all denominations.
An entire set would go for at least 40k.
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