Florida v. Ohio St.
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I think it will be a good game and I think OSU will be rusty. Florida by 6
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<< <i>I think it will be a good game and I think OSU will be rusty. Florida by 6
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The long layoff is not good for either team.
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Florida crushes Notre Dame in the Orange or one of the other BCS bowls.
USC, Louisville(?), Wake Forest, Boise State(?), LSU(?), Oklahoma/Nebraska winner in the other games.
With the likes of the above mentioned teams in the big bowl games this year, teams like Wisconsin, Auburn, Arkansas and perhaps a Cal or even a Boise, (if they don't make it) could make a reasonable argument that they are at the same level.
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Florida has played many very good teams in the toughest conference in college football and lost one game on a controvesial call. They haven't had the opportunity to play Ohio St. Don't they deserve a chance?
If Florida doesn't play in the Nat'l Title game its because money and ratings is what makes college sports go around. Did anybody notice that the Arkansas Scholar Athlete had a 2.8 GPA? College sports is about money. It is not about education and integrity. It is the best business in the world. You don't have to pay your most important employees and your fan base increases every year. I want to buy myself a college football team.
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First off, the SEC being the toughest conference is your own opinion. You would get just as many people telling you that the Big 12 is or the Big Ten is or maybe the PAC 10. As to whether Florida deserves a chance.....ask that question to an undefeated Boise State.
My problem with this whole system is this.........Michigan finishes their season ranked #2. Their only loss is the last game of the season to the #1 ranked team. So last week USC plays while Michigan is idle and they jump Michigan. This week Florida wins and there is talk that they'll jump Michigan. Now remember, this is Florida's 13th game, because it's a conference championship. So if they jump Michigan, they are actually benefiting from that extra game. Now is that fair?
Michigan had an amazing season and they were ranked #2 by computers, humans and whatever else the BCS mixes in. So what it looks like now is that they are getting screwed for three reasons. ONE, their season ended a couple calendar weeks early. TWO, human feelings about a rematch for the National Championship. THREE, lack of a 13th game that will benefit another team. That to me is why the BCS is a joke! Of course Florida jumping them hasn't happened yet, so we'll just have to wait and see.
I don't see any scenario in which florida and their pathetically weak schedule jumps past Michigan.
because they have to put it on the line one extra time against a great team. The Big 10 doesn't do it cause they know it will cut
down their chances bigtime! The Gators had the hardest schedule in college football, thats a FACT. The extra game puts them over
the top period. The BCS needs to start realizing that chicken *hit teams who hide from good teams (OSU not playing Wisconsin) and
the Big 10 hiding on the last week of the season, needs to be taken care of. Its not fair that other confs are matching up the two best
teams, while the Big 10 is closing it out a few weeks early.
Reward the better team.
UF
JS
<< <i>As usual, joey's been drinking before posting.
I don't see any scenario in which florida and their pathetically weak schedule jumps past Michigan. >>
No chance. Michigan has one loss, and it happens to be to the best team. I freaking hate Michigan, being in Illinois grad and all, but there is no way that Florida jumps them.
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1) Florida has more wins
2) Florida played the harder schedule
3) Florida played one more game against the #6 team in the nation, at the end of the season, when Michigan sat on the couch
they are jumping like frogger!
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1) Florida has more wins
2) Florida played the harder schedule
3) Florida played one more game against the #6 team in the nation, at the end of the season, when Michigan sat on the couch
they are jumping like frogger!
JS >>
Apply your #1(same amount of wins) and #3 against Ohio St. too. So should Florida be #1 because they fulfilled 2 of the 3 on joestalin's checklist?
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Michigan has played two ranked teams (ND & OSU) 1-1
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Florida kas played four ranked teams (Tenn, LSU, Auburn & Ark) 3-1
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Florida also played and beat Alabama, Georgia and South Carolina (all with winning records) and FSU which reagrdless of records is a tough game for them.
How anyone can say that Florida has an easy schedule is as stupid as well .... Axtell
I can't understand how the BCS computer claim that Mich has a tougher schedule but then again the BCS has always gotten it wrong so why not again.
EDITED>>>> Also Michigan is not even the best team in their conference while Florida won the SEC - any for those who say that the SEC is not the best conference in College Football, please put your heads back in the sand! Top to Bottom, the SEC is the toughest conference - PERIOD!
I agree with you that the system stinks. I simply feel UF is the more deserving team with the current system. I think the majority of people around the country feel that the SEC is the toughest conference.
Will the BCS do the right thing?
And let Florida jump Michigan?
And have the BCS poll alligned with the computer rankings?
Florida's SEC title game win against one of the nation's toughest teams, Arkansas, in my opinion, gives Florida the right to play in the national title game against Ohio State.
Michigan beat Notre Dame this year, not such a big deal, as it turned out. Florida was a play away from beating their 4th ranked team, and "running the table" and going undefeated. Still a great season for the Gators! It is close (between Florida and Michigan), but taking in consideration the SEC title win, this week, against Arkanas, ....it's Ohio State vs. Florida, all the way!
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Now, if your a great-great grand mother from Michigan, u have your own opinion about this issue
But here is the team that really deserves to be #2. Go Gators!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (But will the BCS do the right thing?):
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Michigan SOS is that high because of playing Ohio State...
Why would anyone want to see Michigan get trampled again? The first game wasn't even that close - without the late cheesy pass interference call on 4th down, Ohio State wins the game by 11 or more...
I thought the late fake punt call by Urban Meyer was gutty as hell and won the game for his team - if that play had been blown up Arkansas would have been in position to really take control of the game. I'd rather see him and this team take on Ohio St. than watch Lloyd Carr bumble his way through yet another Mich/OS match-up...
<< <i>Florida vs Michigan for the no 2 slot:
Michigan has played two ranked teams (ND & OSU) 1-1
Florida kas played four ranked teams (Tenn, LSU, Auburn & Ark) 3-1 >>
Let's not confuse rankings at the time the game was played with ranking at the end of the season. Wisconsin was not ranked then, but is now seventh in the BCS and Michigan handed them their only loss quite convincingly. So Michigan played three teams currently ranked the BCS top 10. After Arkansas drops out (lost last 2 games), Florida will have one game versus the top 10 and the only reason they have an extra game against a ranked team is because their conference has a championship. They did not schedule it.
<< <i>Florida also played and beat Alabama, Georgia and South Carolina (all with winning records) and FSU which reagrdless of records is a tough game for them. >>
Michigan also played and beat Penn St, Minnesota, Iowa & MAC Conference winner Central Michigan (all with winning records).
<< <i>How anyone can say that Florida has an easy schedule is as stupid as well .... Axtell >>
I wont say easy if it will upset you, but I will say that Florida didn't play ANY strength of out conference. As our buddy JS likes to say, they "didn't put it on the line".
<< <i>I can't understand how the BCS computer claim that Mich has a tougher schedule but then again the BCS has always gotten it wrong so why not again. >>
What proof is there that the SEC is so tough? Their biggest out of conference win was Tennessee over Cal. Their biggest game was USC lifting its leg on Arkansas. Aside from that, the SEC played & beat nobody. Where's the proof? It's not like the SEC had out of conference wins against 5-10 ranked opponents. So they beat up on eachother...
<< <i>Also Michigan is not even the best team in their conference while Florida won the SEC - any for those who say that the SEC is not the best conference in College Football, please put your heads back in the sand! Top to Bottom, the SEC is the toughest conference -PERIOD! >>
I believe the SEC may be one of the most balanced conferences... That doesn't mean I believe they have the best team. As I have mentioned before, Michigan played Vanderbilt (SEC) in the pre conference this year and thumped them. The score could have been a lot worse than the 27-7 final, but Michigan called off the dogs early and tossed in some youngsters. Michigan outgained them 373/144 yds.
Florida eluded a late rally by Vanderbilt to beat them 25-19. Vanderbilt outgained Florida 418/370 yds. This is the same Vanderbilt team that also gave a good game to the SEC's other big team, Arkansas. They lost to them 21-19, but also outgained them 445/417. They also managed to beat Georgia, one of the SEC's better teams. How does a team that Michigan dominated completely all over the field compete weekly in the SEC against some of its best teams?
<< <i>MPeter.....This extra game isn't against Southeastern ohio tech..its against a freaking top 6 team. Don't hold it against the Gators
because they have to put it on the line one extra time against a great team. The Big 10 doesn't do it cause they know it will cut
down their chances bigtime! The Gators had the hardest schedule in college football, thats a FACT. The extra game puts them over
the top period. The BCS needs to start realizing that chicken *hit teams who hide from good teams (OSU not playing Wisconsin) and
the Big 10 hiding on the last week of the season, needs to be taken care of. Its not fair that other confs are matching up the two best
teams, while the Big 10 is closing it out a few weeks early.
Reward the better team.
UF
JS >>
Nope, they played teams of that caliber in weeks 2, 11 & 12. Further, it looks like Arkansas was 8th or 9th (depending on the poll), not 6th
With this being said, I still expect the human voters to do the wrong thing (in my opinion) and vote Florida in over Michigan.
C'mon, if Bush can get re elected anything is possible when considering the human vote
Florida Atlantic, Florida State, Central Florida and Troy..........ALL AT HOME!!!! Talk about playing tough out of conference games!!! hahaha
Youngstown State, Kent State, Akron all at home and Washington on the road.
Only conference champs should be in the running to play in the national championship.
All conferences beat up on each other through the season.
It would not be fair to say Fla. who battled thru and won their conference, to play second fiddle to a team who finished 2 in their conference.
Winning your league/conference title must stll stand for something !!
Michigan is a very tough team, but they did not win their conference title,,, end of story !
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<< <i>It would not be fair to say Fla. who battled thru and won their conference, to play second fiddle to a team who finished 2 in their conference. >>
But that doesn't necessarily mean the best team. You could say the same for, say, Boise State. And no one seriously believes they are #2 in the nation and deserve to play OSU for the MNC.
<< <i>Michigan is a very tough team, but they did not win their conference title,,, end of story ! >>
So any team who is not the best in the country is screwed if the best happens to be in their conference?
What would you say if a one-loss Michigan team lost to (say) Wisconsin and never played OSU? They're still not the best in their conference, but the "no rematches" argument is gone in that situation. Does that change anything?
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As a Buckeye fan, I was hoping that USC would have pulled it out in the end. After watching 3+ quarters of that game, it's clear that USC has visible flaws that OSU could easily exploit, both on offense and defense. I thought USC was better than Michigan, no one will agree with that now.
Michigan will clearly provide some obvious problems for OSU. The main thing is having played OSU already, seeing what they would get and that's something you cannot simulate in practice or on film. Florida does not have that luxury. Not to say that Florida won't provide a tough test for OSU, it's just that the Gators won't have that advantage of already played the opponent and saw what's coming at them across the field. The question for me always come down to this: If Florida and Michigan plays right now, who will win? Clearly, it's difficult for anyone to objectively make a case for who would win in that match up, that's why we all get bogged down on strength of schedule, who's more deserving.....etc.
I'm not in tune with the background of the BCS, I know they have made changes over the years to "perfect" the system. What are the chances of them making a 4 team playoff?
I doubt I can find a link but Jim Tressell did indeed make that comment BEFORE gameday. I believe it was during an interview.
<< <i>MPeter.
I doubt I can find a link but Jim Tressell did indeed make that comment BEFORE gameday. I believe it was during an interview. >>
Although I suspect Florida will "Leak" into the championship game somehow, I am disappointed about this partly because I would actually have to cheer for OSU simply because they are a Big 10 school. Please BCS /voters, let Michigan play so I don't have to cheer for them. I
would never ask for another favor again.
Funny thing is when USC moved ahead of Michigan many voters and analysts said that they were voting them there not only because they didn't want to see a repeat game for the championship, but also because USC scheduled a tougher non conference. I can respect that argument if that's how you judge a teams strength. But now that USC has lost, those same people cannot say that Florida scheduled a tougher non conference schedule.
As for Michigans conference schedule, it's really hard to determine it's difficulty by some people because many aren't giving value to their win over Wisconsin. This is mainly because of their weak schedule and that is understandable. But consider that this Wisconsin team handily beat Auburn (the team that beat Florida this year 27-17) last year in their bowl match up, 24-10. They didn't lose much from that team to the NFL draft uless you consider Calhoun, but even he wasn't drafted until the 3rd round and that was their highest pick. My point there is that they didn't lose a lot IMO from last years team to this years.
and oh yeah, some guy named Alvarez...
<< <i>You totally missed my point. Florida didn't win their conference until yesterday. The Michigan vs Ohio State game was two weeks ago. So how could that quote possibly be accurate? >>
Tressell made the quote about the OSU/UM game before the OSU/UM game....I wasn't aware you were referring to something else.
<< <i>Wisconsin lost 8 starters on offense and 3 on defense, including their leading tackler......
and oh yeah, some guy named Alvarez... >>
Yes, but nobody that was a major contributer other than Calhoun and Brandon Williams. They had 5 total players drafted and Calhoun was their real major loss and he didn't go until the 3rd. Their QB, which had a big game against Auburn, returned... Their defense wasn't very good last year at all even though they shut down Auburn. They're improved this year and gave up nearly half of the yards a game that they did last year.
And oh yeah, did Alvarez play?
<< <i>I'd say that Orr was a pretty big part of the offense, as were Raiola and the 2 guards... Alvarez didn't play, but losing the winningest coach in school history has an impact on the team.. If Wisconsin had played ANYONE they would not have has as good a record... Non Con - Bowling green, W. Illinois, San Diego State, Buffalo, LOL... 4 road games, no Ohio St... >>
Okay players, but replacable. Fact is, their D won the game for them against Auburn last year and they improved vastly on that side of the ball this year.
Agreed, they didn't play anybody worth a crap in the non conference but games against Southern Miss, UCF, Western Carolina (LO f'ing L) and FSU (could have been Ferris State) doesn't strike fear into many competitors eyes either. I assume if Florida chose to play any real opponents, this discussion would be moot as they would have lost another game.
Funny thing is despite playing patsies OOC we are still #1 in strength of schedule. OSU's schedule strength is #42 and Boise St is #76 if you were curious.
<< <i>Gator where did you get those numbers? >>
From NCAA Sports website.
<< <i>Help me out Gator all I see is numbers based on opponents win loss records. Am I missing something? >>
No problem....just click on "Sorted on Cumulative Opposition".
<< <i>danka my amigo. Schedules will continue to get easier unless the BCS goes bye bye. This is just another offshoot of a lousy system.
Did you read Terry Bowden's article on Yahoo Sports? He shows what an 8-team playoff bracket would look like. Maybe we'll get there one day.
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<< <i>Its unfortunate the 2 best teams in the country aren't playing in the game. >>
And this is based on what exactly?
<< <i>We play FSU every year, and that includes when they were on that ridiculous run of top-5 finishes. Are we supposed to drop them now that are underperforming?
Funny thing is despite playing patsies OOC we are still #1 in strength of schedule. OSU's schedule strength is #42 and Boise St is #76 if you were curious. >>
<< <i>We play FSU every year, and that includes when they were on that ridiculous run of top-5 finishes. Are we supposed to drop them now that are underperforming?
Funny thing is despite playing patsies OOC we are still #1 in strength of schedule. OSU's schedule strength is #42 and Boise St is #76 if you were curious. >>
FSU just sucks. So what? They may be good again one day, but hopefully not.
The whole schedule difficulty thing is funny though. If you know anything about the strength of schedule formula, you would know that there are 3 reasons Florida was ranked so high.
1) The SEC conference is more balanced and so that benefits Florida in the SOS. The Big 10 really consisted of 3 good teams, a couple mediocre ones and the rest sucked. So even if it were possible to prove without a doubt (by traveling forward in time to a match up of all of the teams played 100 times each -lol) that Ohio St, Michigan and Wisconsin were better than any in the SEC, the BCS computers would disagree...
2 - or maybe 1A). Because the SEC is not as top heavy as the Big 10, their teams should (and did) average more wins out of conference (41 for the SEC & 33 for the Big 10). That also helps Florida with it's SOS. But most of the SEC non conference games were against a list of who's who in... bad team land? Their biggest game was the Arkansas massacre by USC 50-14. Their biggest win was Tennessee over Cal. Aside from that, the list of teams played and beat is.... ummm. I'm speechless. Let's just say that the teams that most of the SEC played had NO CHANCE of pulling an upset. I would say nearly 3 of every 4 opponents they played have not even heard of a major conference, let alone played in one. And people try to say that the SEC has so many teams with a .500 or better record, but look at a team like Alabama who's 6-6. They are 2-6 in the conference, but won 4 non conference games against Louisiana Monroe, Duke, Florida International and Hawaii. Kentucky is 7-5, but only 4-4 in the SEC and has non conference wins against Texas St, Central Michigan & Louisiana Monroe... South Carolina is also 7-5, but only 3-5 in the SEC... 4 non conference wins against Wofford, Florida Atlantic, Middle Tennessee and Clemson. At least they played a major...
3) The Big 10 does not have a championship game, so Michigan was not provided with the luxury of trying to boost numbers with an extra game. Florida only moved ahead of Michigan in the computers because they had the advantage of playing in a championship game, which also happened to bolster the SOS.
I guess he's ok with the current system now?
What a friggen' hypocrite - at least come out and say 'hey, I know we're in the championship game, but we should still have the playoff system'.
What a fraud. I hope the ratings for this sham are so terrible they HAVE to revamp the system - Michigan got completely hosed by a fraudulent florida team.