Shout out To Larry Fritsch...I guess...New catalog has new unopened items!!!!!

spazzy

Just received Larrys New catalog and was shocked that he finally put new items of unopened in his catalog.Prices are high but at least the variety is there. Vending boxes from all sports...Baseball 68-75, fb from 70-83, bsk from 70-80 and HOCKEY from 73-80. He added a few wax boxes of football 1972 2nd series and 1973 baseball. I dont know how it compared to the auction prices he has received in the Mastronet auctions but if someone wants it ,it is there without waiting for the auction to end and not paying the 20% kick. (Maybe the 20% is kicked in these catalog prices) Anyway, there seems to be alot more product out there now and I wonder eventually if it will be absorbed or if individual prices in graded cards will drop. For the unopened collectors out there I still think unopened is King and for you rippers out there, I hope you are salvating opening this stuff....SPAZZY

Mefer

I just saw the vending in is online catalog. Prices seem very high and terms a bit onerous (money orders only) so I am not sure how many will sell. Take for example the first series 71 box at 14k; that is 28 a card! Lets assume you get lucky and pull four each of Munson, Jackson and Rose (with 132 cards in the series and 500 in the box, you should get 3 to 4 of each player). Lets assume you get even luckier and hit 8s on each of those 12 cards and you are able to pull 5k on a sale of those cards. That still leaves 9k wrapped up in the box. Given the fact vending is more hard on cards than wax and racks, I would say the odds of pulling one fantastic gradeable big money card is going to be slight. All told, and while interesting, this would not be a box you would want to bust. I am not sure if I would want to invest 14k in it and leave it unopened. But again, if I was Bill Gates, I would buy the box and bust it for the thrill.

flatfoot816

and believe me---from what I have heard from others...there is still a ton of it out there. I would be very leary of buying form Larry now. He literally has a warehouse of the stuff

spazzy

Has anyone ever been to his whse to view this stuff? How many more 1972 3rd series fb boxes and 1972 basketball boxes can he have left? What other unopened stuff is Larry hiding?

Griffins

His stash alone makes me very wary of any low pop prices from '59 and up. He can flood the market with a simple phone call.
The tough ones will still be tough, but the supply could easily satisfied the demand, tough card or not.

chaz43

He can kill the market if he wants to. His prices are way out of line and we are not stupid. I am sitting tight. The price will come down. chaz

RonBurgundy

$14,000 for a vending box? LOL. I don't know what is more absurd, the price or the ego of the person who is selling it.


Ron

jradke4

My cousin bought a 1986 Topps Traded from him while Bonds was on his tear on the HR record. Well when the set came the Bonds was removed from the box and put in a holder. While this seems nice to due to protect the card in shipping, I am sure they cherry picked through sets as the card would probably only grade a 8 at best. When he called they said that its too bad but they cant return or refund the set.

chaz43

<< <i>My cousin bought a 1986 Topps Traded from him while Bonds was on his tear on the HR record. Well when the set came the Bonds was removed from the box and put in a holder. While this seems nice to due to protect the card in shipping, I am sure they cherry picked through sets as the card would probably only grade a 8 at best. When he called they said that its too bad but they cant return or refund the set. >>




Nice guy. chaz

sagard

I don't get why he is willing to publish photos of his '90s Topps crap, but unwilling to publish photos of his $14K vending boxes. Or stack of vending boxes.

larryallen73

Though I don't buy cards for the "investment" aspect I do worry about de-valuation due to the HUGE quantity of unopened cards that appears to be out there!? Scary!

baseballfanatic

<< <i>His stash alone makes me very wary of any low pop prices from '59 and up. He can flood the market with a simple phone call.
The tough ones will still be tough, but the supply could easily satisfied the demand, tough card or not. >>




Boy if this aint the truth. A few years ago I remember that Larry wanted everyone to "chip in" something like 8-10 million dollars so he could build a museum to keep the collection intact, rather than sell off large portions. Like has been pointed out in earlier posts, I really dont think Larry wants to sell anything. If he sells something for 400.00, it will be 500.00 the next time he puts up one for sale. The estimations of what he has stashed away probably dont even scratch the surface. He was buying railroad cars that were filled with Topps products in the 60's for pennies on the dollar just to get rid of it. The stories are legendary, and if one day everything was poured onto the market, watch the prices for anything that was cardboard made after 1950 (unopened or singles) spiral down the toilet. The really sad part is Larry knows this and uses it to his advantage.......

ken61

Not that I doubt Larry Fritsch has a warehouse full of cards, but if he has enough high-grade stuff to depress the market, where was it all when he joined forces to launch SCD's ill-fated card-grading venture a few years back. If I recall, his selection of SCD graded cards on his website was rather ordinary.

baseballfanatic

<< <i>Not that I doubt Larry Fritsch has a warehouse full of cards, but if he has enough high-grade stuff to depress the market, where was it all when he joined forces to launch SCD's ill-fated card-grading venture a few years back. If I recall, his selection of SCD graded cards on his website was rather ordinary. >>



I believe that when a lot of Larrys cards that were coming out of unopened vending boxes and earning the UT label but with a grade of 7.0 or 7.5, the choice was either show preferred treatment or stick to your guns with your grading system. When SCD stuck to their guns, Larry pulled out and not long after that SCD vanished out of sight.....

julen23

that's why i collect 1980 topps,

the most worthless and price-resistant set EVER!

Julen

TheCARDKid

A few years ago, I bought two of his '59 Topps Football 2nd series lots from vending (at $99 each, now they're $159!).

This was when the pop was much lower than it is now. I got a Mint 9 common, a few low pop 8's, some OC's, two cards that would be a 5/6. Basically a normal distribution of grades, but they were sharp cards. I think the Bobby Mitchell and Jim Taylor rookies came back as 7's from SGC, I don't remember.

I wonder what else he has not listed on the site or in the catalog.

Robeson

Who had the picture of him flipping through a vending box pulling a card out? He is standing in front of a wall of vending boxes.

DeutscherGeist

So how did larry get all this?

Did he buy railroad cars full of Topps stuff because Topps wanted to get rid of it?


Is he like a Mr Mint?

spazzy

Hey, with all that knowledge that Larry has, I can not believe that he never wrote a book such as Mr Mint did. Are we just jealous of what he has or is Larry a bad guy like Mr, Mint. I have not seen much bad written about him like some of the others we have discussed. Is there some bad dealings with him out there? We dont have to pay the high prices...what else?

gemint

Well, if the inputs I've heard on the vending boxes that already hit the market hold true, I wouldn't worry about a ton of high grade cards hitting the market as a result of these breaks.

Stone193

Even tho the guy has a boat load of stuff...

It's more theoretically valuable...

Not to the seller but the buyer - of course...

If I had incredible funds - I think I'ld rather chase high quality stuff in auctions in PSA 9 and 10.

Buying vending from way back - is not merely a crapshoot - there's a reality...

boatloads of miscut, roughcut, tilted and diamond cut cards will pile up on one's desk - in theory, one can open a case and find only a handful of true PSA 10 cards.

Just a thought.
mike