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Half Dime Upgrade - Guess the Grades and comments welcome

CladiatorCladiator Posts: 18,186 ✭✭✭✭✭
Sorry my pics aren't all that great...


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  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,505 ✭✭✭✭✭
    is this a taco bell napkin trick question and at NGC, to boot ? image

    AU50 to AU58 ?
  • CladiatorCladiator Posts: 18,186 ✭✭✭✭✭
    No napkin and no NGC. image

    They are two different coins for sure. Same die marriage but different die state all together.
  • ChangeInHistoryChangeInHistory Posts: 3,083 ✭✭✭✭✭
    XF to AU. Looks like it was cleaned and album re-toned.
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,505 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>No napkin and no NGC. image

    They are two different coins for sure. Same die marriage but different die state all together. >>



    whew, bless your heart ... You never struck me as a guy to cheat the system image

    okay, let me re guess...

    The top coin is xf40 and the bottom one is MS61
  • CladiatorCladiator Posts: 18,186 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Looks like it was cleaned and album re-toned. >>

    Which one?
  • ChangeInHistoryChangeInHistory Posts: 3,083 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Second one . First one..... ?
  • Working on my attribution skills... are they V-7s?

    I like them. image

    -Amanda
    image

    I'm a YN working on a type set!

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  • seateddimeseateddime Posts: 6,180 ✭✭✭
    nice Dansco coin
    I seldom check PM's but do check emails often jason@seated.org

    Buying top quality Seated Dimes in Gem BU and Proof.

    Buying great coins - monster eye appeal only.
  • JRoccoJRocco Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hey clad.
    I am going to say you upgraded an XF coin with a high end AU coin. The new coin may be MS but I can't tell thru all that lusterimage which is a good thing. Both nice coins, but the new coin is a real looker.
    Some coins are just plain "Interesting"
  • TWQGTWQG Posts: 3,145 ✭✭
    AU55 to MS64image
  • NumisOxideNumisOxide Posts: 10,997 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice upgrade Clad.

    AU55, I like the toning.
  • CladiatorCladiator Posts: 18,186 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Working on my attribution skills... are they V-7s? >>

    You got it kiddo, LM10/V7 both of them. Now, which one is the later die state? I know the pics make it hard to do this kind of work but there is at least one clearly visible marker that should give it away.


    My personal opinion is that the first coin has been dipped and retoned, how it got the toning I've no idea. The second coin, in my opinion, is original...for whatever that's worth now a days LOL. Interesting grade guesses so far.


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    << <i>Working on my attribution skills... are they V-7s? >>

    You got it kiddo, LM10/V7 both of them. Now, which one is the later die state? I know the pics make it hard to do this kind of work but there is at least one clearly visible marker that should give it away. >>



    I would guess that determining die state on this marriage deals with S2 on the reverse. So based on that, I am guessing that the first coin is a later die state because S2 appears to be 'filled' to a greater degree than on the second coin.

    I'm new at this. image

    -Amanda
    image

    I'm a YN working on a type set!

    My Buffalo Nickel Website Home of the Quirky Buffaloes Collection!

    Proud member of the CUFYNA
  • CladiatorCladiator Posts: 18,186 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You're on to something with the S's but look at a different S.


  • << <i>You're on to something with the S's but look at a different S. >>



    The S in PLURIBUS?

    -Amanda
    image

    I'm a YN working on a type set!

    My Buffalo Nickel Website Home of the Quirky Buffaloes Collection!

    Proud member of the CUFYNA
  • CladiatorCladiator Posts: 18,186 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>You're on to something with the S's but look at a different S. >>



    The S in PLURIBUS?

    -Amanda >>

    Nope.
  • CladiatorCladiator Posts: 18,186 ✭✭✭✭✭
    TwoSides2aCoin got the grade guesses right on. I grade the top coin AU50 (barely though...the reverse is a borderline 45) and the bottom coin AU58. The bottom coin is now my set piece.

    Amanda - look at the upper loop of S1 and you should see what you're looking for. image




  • BarndogBarndog Posts: 20,510 ✭✭✭✭✭
    reverse EE was used for two die marriages, the first was the 1835 LM-10/V-7 in which S2's upper loop fills (examples of the 1835 LM-10 exist without the upper loop of S2 filled!) and then the upper loop of S1 fills. The second use was in the 1837 LM-4/V-2, also known as the "Small 5C" variety for Redbook variety collectors. In the 1837 LM-4/V-2, you will find that both S1 and S2 are filled. Die state can reasonably be estimated using this kind of information.
  • CladiatorCladiator Posts: 18,186 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Correct BD. image

    The method you can use to see which of the two coins pictured is the later die state is in the upper loop of S1. Neither of them are "filled" but you can see a small die chip in the bottom coin. The top coin is clear and free of any defect. Thus the top coin is an earlier die state than the lower coin.
  • LeianaLeiana Posts: 4,349
    Oh, I see! I had to get my magnifying glass out to see the die chip in S-1! image

    -Amanda
    image

    I'm a YN working on a type set!

    My Buffalo Nickel Website Home of the Quirky Buffaloes Collection!

    Proud member of the CUFYNA
  • CladiatorCladiator Posts: 18,186 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Oh, I see! I had to get my magnifying glass out to see the die chip in S-1! image

    -Amanda >>

    Yeah it is small to see on these photos but remember the pics are many times magnified compared to holding the half dime in your hand. You think that chip is small now hehheeh
  • CaptainRonCaptainRon Posts: 1,189 ✭✭
    Those are both real nice coins, there was no need for you to upgrade, now promptly send that new one over to meimage

    Congrats on the new purchase, it found a good home.

    Ron
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