Half Dime Upgrade - Guess the Grades and comments welcome

Cladiator

Sorry my pics aren't all that great...


Went from this:

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To this:

TwoSides2aCoin

is this a taco bell napkin trick question and at NGC, to boot ?

AU50 to AU58 ?

Cladiator

No napkin and no NGC.

They are two different coins for sure. Same die marriage but different die state all together.

ChangeInHistory

XF to AU. Looks like it was cleaned and album re-toned.

TwoSides2aCoin

<< <i>No napkin and no NGC.

They are two different coins for sure. Same die marriage but different die state all together. >>



whew, bless your heart ... You never struck me as a guy to cheat the system

okay, let me re guess...

The top coin is xf40 and the bottom one is MS61

Cladiator

<< <i>Looks like it was cleaned and album re-toned. >>

Which one?

ChangeInHistory

Second one . First one..... ?

Leiana

Working on my attribution skills... are they V-7s?

I like them.

-Amanda

seateddime

nice Dansco coin

JRocco

Hey clad.
I am going to say you upgraded an XF coin with a high end AU coin. The new coin may be MS but I can't tell thru all that luster which is a good thing. Both nice coins, but the new coin is a real looker.

TWQG

AU55 to MS64

NumisOxide

Nice upgrade Clad.

AU55, I like the toning.

Cladiator

<< <i>Working on my attribution skills... are they V-7s? >>

You got it kiddo, LM10/V7 both of them. Now, which one is the later die state? I know the pics make it hard to do this kind of work but there is at least one clearly visible marker that should give it away.


My personal opinion is that the first coin has been dipped and retoned, how it got the toning I've no idea. The second coin, in my opinion, is original...for whatever that's worth now a days LOL. Interesting grade guesses so far.

Leiana

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<< <i>Working on my attribution skills... are they V-7s? >>

You got it kiddo, LM10/V7 both of them. Now, which one is the later die state? I know the pics make it hard to do this kind of work but there is at least one clearly visible marker that should give it away. >>



I would guess that determining die state on this marriage deals with S2 on the reverse. So based on that, I am guessing that the first coin is a later die state because S2 appears to be 'filled' to a greater degree than on the second coin.

I'm new at this.

-Amanda

Cladiator

You're on to something with the S's but look at a different S.

Leiana

<< <i>You're on to something with the S's but look at a different S. >>



The S in PLURIBUS?

-Amanda

Cladiator

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<< <i>You're on to something with the S's but look at a different S. >>



The S in PLURIBUS?

-Amanda >>

Nope.

Cladiator

TwoSides2aCoin got the grade guesses right on. I grade the top coin AU50 (barely though...the reverse is a borderline 45) and the bottom coin AU58. The bottom coin is now my set piece.

Amanda - look at the upper loop of S1 and you should see what you're looking for.

Barndog

reverse EE was used for two die marriages, the first was the 1835 LM-10/V-7 in which S2's upper loop fills (examples of the 1835 LM-10 exist without the upper loop of S2 filled!) and then the upper loop of S1 fills. The second use was in the 1837 LM-4/V-2, also known as the "Small 5C" variety for Redbook variety collectors. In the 1837 LM-4/V-2, you will find that both S1 and S2 are filled. Die state can reasonably be estimated using this kind of information.

Cladiator

Correct BD.

The method you can use to see which of the two coins pictured is the later die state is in the upper loop of S1. Neither of them are "filled" but you can see a small die chip in the bottom coin. The top coin is clear and free of any defect. Thus the top coin is an earlier die state than the lower coin.

Leiana

Oh, I see! I had to get my magnifying glass out to see the die chip in S-1!

-Amanda

Cladiator

<< <i>Oh, I see! I had to get my magnifying glass out to see the die chip in S-1!

-Amanda >>

Yeah it is small to see on these photos but remember the pics are many times magnified compared to holding the half dime in your hand. You think that chip is small now hehheeh

CaptainRon

Those are both real nice coins, there was no need for you to upgrade, now promptly send that new one over to me

Congrats on the new purchase, it found a good home.

Ron