I am going to a dealer to look at this coin...

hiijacker

What are your impressions? It is curently ungraded, but what grade do you think it is, and what is a fair price?

lathmach

I think you'd be better off collecting Seated Half Dimes.

Ray

Cam40

64

did elmo give her that hicky on her neck?

MrEureka

It looks real and strictly uncirculated. The black streaks look like they're not going anywhere, and the coin has in all probability been lightly cleaned in an attempt to remove the streaks. (That's based on the color, plus I'm playing the odds based on human nature.) Probably worth 60-61 money.

Cam40

lightly cleaned
i didnt wanna say it but, ya it just very well may have been.
unc details net au55

Dog97

Maybe it's just the picture but it has an unnatural look to the surfaces, possibly cleaned. Make sure you pay attention to that when you have it in hand. The hit on the cheek makes me say no higher than 63.

hiijacker

The dealer is selling this as an MS-62. From what I hear people respect the dealer and his grading capabilities, if anything he may undergrade. The question is what happens if I submit to pcgs and it comes back as a lower grade or as ungraded due to cleaning?

RYK

Almost certainly cleaned. Nice strike/detail. I would pay AU money for it if it looked nice in hand. I would not pay anywhere close to MS-62 money for it.

Barry

The question is what happens if I submit to pcgs and it comes back as a lower grade or as ungraded due to cleaning?

That's a question for the dealer.

Another question is if you're not confident in your own grading ability (once you see the coin), should you be buying raw coins?

lkrarecoins

Surface looks like it has very few imperfections...ask the dealer if he'd ever heard of Photoshop

If the picture wasnt messed with, my guess is MS62/63

MisterBungle

Tell the dealer to send it off to PCGS, and
if it comes back a 62, you'll buy the coin
and pay him for the submission fees.

Sounds fair to me.

~

mirabela

That looks like a Harlan Berk picture. None of their pics show luster, so it is hard to tell cleaned or not. The color looks a little suspicious, though, as though the coin has at least been dipped or something.

Why do you want to submit it? If a pcgs graded coin is what you want and you aren't sure of your own grading abilities, you should probably buy a slabbed coin to begin with IMO.

Slab or no slab, 60 or 62, those marks will make that coin very hard to sell when it comes time. I'd let that be somebody else's problem and not yours. Just my 2c, but not only will they look more and more annoying to you the longer you own the coin, you will never get out of that coin without discounting for them.

... I guess what I'm saying is, regardless of the grade, I'd walk away from that one.

Myqqy

I would keep looking- and if certification is important to you, then buy one already certified in your plastic of choice...

GoldenEyeNumismatics

it appears that the fields have been smoothed out and tooled... sorry

JRocco

Based on the pics I see on my monitor I can not tell what those fields really look like. Some pics give a clue--these do not. If you don't think you can nail the grade yourself, buy one already in a slab that you like and is in your price range.

MrEureka

The question is what happens if I submit to pcgs and it comes back as a lower grade or as ungraded due to cleaning?

Why would anything "happen"?

TheRaven

I would be really leary.....

Me, I would only get that type of coin PCGS slabbed (my grader of choice).....

CaptHenway

<< <i>The dealer is selling this as an MS-62. From what I hear people respect the dealer and his grading capabilities, if anything he may undergrade. The question is what happens if I submit to pcgs and it comes back as a lower grade or as ungraded due to cleaning? >>



A slight clarification, which the originator of the thread forgot to mention. The coin is graded, both on our website and on the insert which he has seen, as "MS-62 Hairlines."
Tom DeLorey

relicsncoins

<< <i>The dealer is selling this as an MS-62. From what I hear people respect the dealer and his grading capabilities, if anything he may undergrade. The question is what happens if I submit to pcgs and it comes back as a lower grade or as ungraded due to cleaning? >>



If it comes back as a lower grade, than it comes back a lower grade. After all, grading is subjective, and if his oppinion and more importantly your oppinion is that it is a 62 and you purchase it as such, than you agreed with the dealer and the deal is done. Afterall, the transaction is between you and the dealer, not PCGS and the dealer, and not PCGS and you.

JJ

coinlieutenant

Coins looks to be experty cleaned or maybe whizzed in order to enhance its appearance.

It is still attractive and should be worth around 60 money...unless it is just the picture and it is really very lustrous and nice.

John

ColonialCoinUnion

You could do better.

options26

I'm no expert by any means, but when I blow up the pics I see wear in the hair below Liberty and in the top of the feathers. On the reverse there appears to be wear on the top of the wreath(may be a weak strike on the reverse) Looks like a funky color too compared to several other examples I looked at, may be pics. I would say AU. My .02

hiijacker

I have not seen the coin yet, and I may not be confident enough to buy a raw coin. The dealer also should be getting a high grade Saint graded by pcgs. I just had my heart set on the princess due to its really low mintage. The last coin I bought from this dealer graded dead on when sending to pcgs for grading, so I have no reason to think this is overgraded in any way. I just wanted to get your thoughts, but I agree this picture does not well enough to get a good feel.

RedTiger

Looks funky to me. I would vote bodybag nine times out of ten. If a person wants a slabbed coin, buy a slabbed coin. Buying a raw coin, and then calling the dealer if there is a disappointment is low class behavior. The exception might be if the dealer offers some kind of guarantee that their coins will slab (and very few do).

/ I read on and saw MS62 hairlines. That seems a fair grade, and I'd net it out to AU from that. Anyone sending in a coin labeled as "hairlines" to PCGS or NGC is someone looking to lose their grading fees. The dealer would have zero obligation to the collector given these circumstances.

lordmarcovan

<< <i>If a person wants a slabbed coin, buy a slabbed coin. Buying a raw coin, and then calling the dealer if there is a disappointment is low class behavior. The exception might be if the dealer offers some kind of guarantee that their coins will slab (and very few do). >>

michael

buy it already slabbed and pay a fair price

pass on unslabbed threes

mirabela

I repeat, look at the big hit and the scutz mark on the neck! These will make it very difficult for you to sell that coin at an advantageous price when you want out. There are better ones out there! It is not like this is a $4 Stella in PR66 or something!

Coinosaurus

<< <i>

<< <i>The dealer is selling this as an MS-62. From what I hear people respect the dealer and his grading capabilities, if anything he may undergrade. The question is what happens if I submit to pcgs and it comes back as a lower grade or as ungraded due to cleaning? >>



A slight clarification, which the originator of the thread forgot to mention. The coin is graded, both on our website and on the insert which he has seen, as "MS-62 Hairlines."
Tom DeLorey >>



Not surprising - and I bet there is an "other side of the story" for most of the other posts on this board. Reader, beware

MrEureka

I repeat, look at the big hit and the scutz mark on the neck! These will make it very difficult for you to sell that coin at an advantageous price when you want out. There are better ones out there! It is not like this is a $4 Stella in PR66 or something!

If you collect or deal in coins, not just plastic, the coin still has some value. I would happily buy it at some price. 1880 threes don't come around every day, especially in affordable grades. These coins did not circulate.

As for the $4 Stella comment, not everyone can afford a gem $3, much less a gem Stella.

Dog97

<<<A slight clarification, which the originator of the thread forgot to mention. The coin is graded, both on our website and on the insert which he has seen, as "MS-62 Hairlines."
Tom DeLorey>>>

So....that means it is a problem coin as other posts suggest, and is in a NCS or ANACS holder and would not grade at PCGS or NGC? If I were hiijacker I would pass.

JRocco

Hey hijacker--can you please post the reason why you edited the coin out of this thread???

Next time wait an entire day before you start a post if you are going to bail out of it this quickly

Frankcoins

Where is the picture?

ldhair

<< <i>Where is the picture? >>


Here

Frankcoins

Nice coin, but if you want it in a slab, buy it in a slab.

notwilight

Good thread, lots of people explaining why they think it is this grade or that. I really enjoy and learn from such threads--but the photo is gone. Can it come back?

--Jerry