Aren't there different levels of Bass Pedigrees? Is this a "real" Bass pedigree or one of

Longacre

I was looking at a dealer's website and this coin caught my eye. I thought I read on these boards that there are all different "levels" of Bass pedigrees. I think there is a difference between a "Bass" pedigree coin, and a "Bass Collection" pedigree coin, and there even might be other types that I am not thinking of. Does anyone have a cheatcheat summary of which Bass pedigree is the real one?

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1882-O $10.00 PCGS AU-53 13/29 13/74 1200/2000 (55) $1,450 NEW
Bass Collection pedigree. As usual, this example shows prooflike surfaces which are somewhat on the baggy side. It seems that virtually every known example of this scarce, undervalued date is excessively bagmarked, probably from transportation to overseas banks while stored loose in bags. This piece has nice color and the detail of an AU55 or slightly better coin but has been conservatively graded by PCGS on account of a small, sharp mark in the left obverse field and a longer, more visible one in the right obverse field. For the money, there are few New Orleans eagles which are a better value than the 1882-O and the Bass pedigree (noted on the holder by PCGS) is an extra added bonus.

RYK

Hey, that coin once resided in the Three Rivers Collection. I am disappointed that the seller did not acknowledge this.

There are different slab label designations of the Bass Pedigree. PCGS has used both "HW Bass Collection" (or something like that) and "Bass Collection" designations in the past. No matter how you label it, an ex-Bass coin is an ex-Bass coin.

Longacre

<< <i>Hey, that coin once resided in the Three Rivers Collection. I am disappointed that the seller did not acknowledge this.

There are different slab label designations of the Bass Pedigree. PCGS has used both "HW Bass Collection" (or something like that) and "Bass Collection" designations in the past. No matter how you label it, an ex-Bass coin is an ex-Bass coin. >>




I didn't know it had the Three Rivers pedigree. Even though it is not stated on the slab, I am sure that desirable pedigree is reflected in the price of the coin.

Julian

For the life of me, I cannot think of more than one level of Bass pedigree.

There still exists the Bass core collection that is on display at the ANA in CO.

The sales that B/M conducted all had coins that were part of the Bass collection that the foundation chose to auction.

Please ask the poster to differentiate.

Many thanx.

PerryHall

How can there be different levels of any pedigree? Either the person owned the coin or he didn't own the coin.

evilclay

<< <i>I was looking at a dealer's website and this coin caught my eye. I thought I read on these boards that there are all different "levels" of Bass pedigrees. I think there is a difference between a "Bass" pedigree coin, and a "Bass Collection" pedigree coin, and there even might be other types that I am not thinking of. Does anyone have a cheatcheat summary of which Bass pedigree is the real one?

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1882-O $10.00 PCGS AU-53 13/29 13/74 1200/2000 (55) $1,450 NEW
Bass Collection pedigree. As usual, this example shows prooflike surfaces which are somewhat on the baggy side. It seems that virtually every known example of this scarce, undervalued date is excessively bagmarked, probably from transportation to overseas banks while stored loose in bags. This piece has nice color and the detail of an AU55 or slightly better coin but has been conservatively graded by PCGS on account of a small, sharp mark in the left obverse field and a longer, more visible one in the right obverse field. For the money, there are few New Orleans eagles which are a better value than the 1882-O and the Bass pedigree (noted on the holder by PCGS) is an extra added bonus.


Largemouth Bass, Smallmouth Bass, Spotted Bass, Sea Bass. Is this what you were lookin' fer?


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FullStrike

I have an 1856 $2 1/2 Gold PCGS AU58 "Bass" coin. Was this owned by Harry Bass at one time? Or was it a premium given out with a life membership in the Bass Anglers Sportsmans Society?

MikeInFL

<< <i>I was looking at a dealer's website and this coin caught my eye. I thought I read on these boards that there are all different "levels" of Bass pedigrees. I think there is a difference between a "Bass" pedigree coin, and a "Bass Collection" pedigree coin, and there even might be other types that I am not thinking of. Does anyone have a cheatcheat summary of which Bass pedigree is the real one? >>



A Bass coin is a Bass coin, as far as I'm concerned.

However, in researching a recent purchase, I came to the conclusion that the Bass collection included both "great" and simply "good" coins. In my opinion this is partially because of its size and depth, and pearhaps also because Mr. Bass, as a variety collector (and dare I say hoarder), couldn't be consistent discerning in all of his purchases.

I've posted this coin before, but I don't believe I've shared publically the text that follows in which I try and identify which one I have (still unresolved). The salient poing being Mr. Bass had nine 1899 Eagles in grades from an AU with problems to an MS 64 (remember this was 1999 grading).



From my research, there were nine (9) different 1899 $10 Liberty Eagles sold in the Bass sale. The coin in question, judging from the NGC holder, was holdered subsequent to the sale. However figuring out which coin it is is not very easy. If it is the MS-64 coin, it should be the easiest to identify given this is the only coin with any signficant description, although I must admit that I don't see "olive highlights" in the pics (included at the bottom of this note), I do see a hint of the die break and the date description seems to match.

Part 2, Session 2, lots:
1618 graded MS 60 -- (possible)
1634 graded AU 53 -- (unlikely)
1635 graded MS 60 -- (possible)
1637 graded MS 62 -- (likely)
1649 graded AU 55 brushed -- (unlikely)

Part 3, Session 2:
694 graded AU-58 copper spots noted on both surfaces -- (unlikely)
721 graded MS-62 -- (likely)
740 graded MS-64: A satiny and lustrous coin with attractive olive highlights. Choice for the assigned grade. Date logotype evenly impressed. Top of 1 nearly twice the distance from truncation as bottom is from dentils, left edge of lower serif over left side of dentil. Repunching seen in upper loop of second 9. Reverse has a faint crack that joins the tops of NITED to the eagle’s wing immediately following. -- (likely)

Part 4, Session 2:
737 graded MS 61 satiny -- (likely)

The details are as follows:

It could be this one, part of lot 1618, graded MS 60 (From Sale 2, Session 2 at http://www.harrybassfoundation.org/basscatalogs/BASSSALE2/b2-2-o.htm) :

1618 A very nice starter collection of Liberty Head eagles of the later range of dates, commencing in 1888 and concluding in 1906, and along the way including many interesting dates and mints. All coins are of high quality, and are excellent examples of the designated grades. All have lustre, and most are brilliant. The higher the grade, the more the brilliance and the more the lustre, as might be expected. A lovely way to start a specialized collection, perhaps a foundation such as to which we alluded in our earlier description with Lot 1614. I 1888-O AU-58 I 1898 AU-58 I 1898-S EF-40 I 1899 MS-60 I 1899-O AU-55 I 1900 MS-60 I 1901 MS-60 I 1901-O AU-55 I 1901-S MS-61 I 1902 EF-45 I 1902-S MS-61 I 1903 AU-55 I 1903-O AU-58 I 1903-S AU-50 I 1904 AU-53 I 1904-O AU-58 I 1905 MS-62 I 1905-S AU-50, lightly cleaned I 1906 AU-58 I 1906-D MS-62 I 1906-O AU-58. Mostly brilliant and lustrous. All are attractive for the grade assigned. (Total: 21 pieces)

It is probably not this one, part of lot 1634, graded AU 53 on the same web page:

1634 Selection of Liberty Head eagles, each a different date and mint: I 1893-O AU-58 I 1895-O AU-50 I 1897 VF-35 I 1897-O AU-50 I 1897-S VF-35 I 1899 AU-53 I 1899-O EF-40 I 1900 EF-40 I 1901 AU-55 I 1901-S MS-62 I 1902 AU-55 I 1903 EF-45 I 1903-O AU-53 I 1905 AU-53 I 1905-S EF-40 I 1906 AU-50 I 1906-D AU-58 I 1906-S EF-40 I 1907 MS-62 I 1907-D MS-62 I 1907-S AU-50. Most are brilliant with pleasing mint lustre. A very nice grouping which includes issues of the late 19th and early 20th centuries. (Total: 21 pieces)

It could be this one, part of lot 1635, graded MS 60 on the same web page:

1635 Large grouping of Liberty Head eagles representing 20 different dates and mints: I 1893-O AU-55 I 1894 AU-58 I 1894-O AU-50 I 1895 AU-55 I 1895-O AU-55 I 1897 MS-60 I 1897-O AU-55 I 1897-S VF-35 I 1898 AU-58 I 1898-S EF-45 I 1899 MS-60 I 1899-O AU-55 I 1899-S AU-50 I 1900 MS-62 I 1901 MS-60 I 1901-O AU-58 I 1901-S MS-62 I 1902 AU-53 I 1902-S MS-62 I 1903 MS-62. Those AU and finer are brilliant and lustrous. (Total: 20 pieces)

It really could be this one, part of lot 1637, graded MS 62 on the same web page:

1637 Grouping of 20 different Liberty Head eagles, another very attractive selection that could well form the foundation for a specialized cabinet. I 1894 MS-60 I 1894-O AU-50 I 1895 AU-58 I 1895-O AU-55 I 1896 AU-58 I 1896-S VF-20 I 1897 MS-62 I 1897-O AU-58 I 1897-S AU-53 I 1898 MS-60 I 1898-S AU-55 I 1899 MS-62 I 1899-O AU-58 I 1899-S AU-50 I 1900 MS-62 I 1900-S AU-50, cleaned I 1901 MS-61 I 1901-O MS-60 I 1902-S EF-45 I 1906-D AU-55. Ever popular as the first Denver Mint issue. Mostly brilliant and lustrous. (Total: 20 pieces)

It is probably not this one, part of lot 1649, graded AU 55 brushed on the same web page:

1649 Large grouping of Liberty Head eagles, all different dates and mints: I 1898 AU-55 I 1898-S VF-35 I 1899 AU-55, brushed I 1899-O AU-53. Very scarce; seldom seen in a grade higher than this I 1900 AU-58 I 1901 AU-55 I 1901-O AU-50 I 1901-S MS-61 I 1902 EF-40 I 1902-S MS-61 I 1903 AU-55 I 1903-O AU-55 I 1903-S EF-45 I 1904 AU-50 I 1904-O AU-55 I 1905 MS-60, light obverse scratch I 1905-S AU-50 I 1906 AU-58 I 1906-D MS-61. First year of the Denver Mint I 1906-O AU-55. Last year of the New Orleans Mint coinage of this denomination. Mostly brilliant and lustrous. (Total: 20 pieces)

It is probably not this one, part of lot 694, graded AU 58 copper spots (From Sale 3, Session 2 at http://www.harrybassfoundation.org/basscatalogs/BASSSALE3/b3-2-c.htm) :

694 Grouping of eagles grading AU-58: I 1878 I 1880 I 1881. Splashes of pale green toning I 1882. Pale green toning I 1883. Splashes of orange toning I 1892. Splashes of reddish orange toning I 1899. Copper spots noted on both surfaces I 1901 I 1904 I 1906. Each item displays lustrous surfaces. A very attractive group. (Total: 10 pieces)

It really could be this one, part of lot 721, graded MS 62 on the same web page:

721 Selection of Liberty eagles grading MS-62: I 1886-S I 1893 I 1894 I 1895 I 1899 I 1901-S I 1906-D I 1907. Attractive and lustrous surfaces displayed by all. (Total: 8 pieces)

It really could be this one, part of lot 740, graded MS 64 on the same web page:

740 1899 MS-64. A satiny and lustrous coin with attractive olive highlights. Choice for the assigned grade. Date logotype evenly impressed. Top of 1 nearly twice the distance from truncation as bottom is from dentils, left edge of lower serif over left side of dentil. Repunching seen in upper loop of second 9. Reverse has a faint crack that joins the tops of NITED to the eagle’s wing immediately following. Purchased from Rowe and Brownlee, May 7, 1969.

It could be this one, part of lot 1618, graded MS 60 (From Sale 4, Session 2 at http://www.harrybassfoundation.org/basscatalogs/BASSSALE4/b4-2-d.htm) :

736 Quintette of MS-61 eagles: I 1881. Frosty lustre I 1886-S. Satiny lustre I 1899. Satiny I 1902-S. Brilliant and lustrous I 1903-S Repunched Mintmark. Brilliant and lustrous. (Total: 5 pieces)



In conclusion, I agree there seems to be different "tiers" of Bass coins, but I wonder if his penchant for die varieties "lowered his standards" with respect to many of his coins.

All humbly submitted...Mike

p.s. if anybody is interested, here are the links to the Bass Auction Catalogs. and here's a great narrative on how Mr. Bass assembled his collection. and even a biography.

Frankcoins

<< <i>How can there be different levels of any pedigree? Either the person owned the coin or he didn't own the coin. >>



I believe there are coins from the H.W. Bass Jr. COLLECTION, others from the Bass Research Foundation, and even some
Bass donated to the ANS which were later sold.

Coinosaurus

I have a Bass coin which isn't even identified as such on the holder.

Probably the fact that the holder has a higher number on it than the number in the catalog probably has something to do with it

PerryHall

<< <i>

<< <i>How can there be different levels of any pedigree? Either the person owned the coin or he didn't own the coin. >>



I believe there are coins from the H.W. Bass Jr. COLLECTION, others from the Bass Research Foundation, and even some
Bass donated to the ANS which were later sold. >>



Still, they were all owned by Bass at one time so they can all properly carry the Bass pedigree.