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Shouldn't Trimmed be listed on the slab???

kingraider75kingraider75 Posts: 1,500 ✭✭
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I saw this card at the National Show in Anaheim. The dealer said he had an SGC Authentic, and wanted $2700 for it. I walked away, mainly because I had no idea what Authentic meant. As some of you know, I picked a PSA 3 at the show. I am sure glad I didn't buy this trimmed card!! At least PSA puts trimmed on the label.

Authentic?? It's TRIMMED!
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  • yankeeno7yankeeno7 Posts: 9,248 ✭✭✭
    I think it would be great if PSA slabbed trimmed cards with no grade with the label stating "Evidence of Trimming". This could help keep some trimmed raw out of circulation, though Im sure many would find themselves cracked to sell as unaltered raw. I think some collectors would still be interested in these cards slabbed.
  • Alfonz24Alfonz24 Posts: 3,105 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would agree.

    I bought a 58 Mantle in the mid 80s at a flea market for $20. I knew there was something wrong with the card (about 3/16' of the left side of the card is trimmed), but I like the look of the 58 Mantle and the rest of the card is in great shape.
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  • FabfrankFabfrank Posts: 2,312
    At least PSA puts trimmed on the label.

    Not really. PSA doesn't slab trimmed cards. You get the card back in the Cardsaver with a sticker that says "Evidence of trimming". THE "Authentic" on the SGC slab lets the collector know that the card is genuine and not a counterfeit or reprint. I think it would be a better service if they not only state the card is Authentic, but what stops it from being graded (Trimming, Paper loss, re-colored, etc).
    There is a market for such cards, depending on eye appeal. Bottom line, collect what you like and what you can afford.
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  • srs1asrs1a Posts: 398 ✭
    It looks like both companies have adopted the exact approach.

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  • scooter729scooter729 Posts: 1,730 ✭✭✭
    PSA uses that 'Authentic' tag, as is seen in the Mayo's card, when a card is in such poor condition that it doesn't even warrant a PSA 1. So they don't do it if a card is purposely trimmed or re-colored, but more if a corner is torn off, 100 creases, etc. Our dear friend Levi at 707 usually has a few Mantle rookies like this which he calls "PSA 0".
  • VintageJeffVintageJeff Posts: 1,282 ✭
    PSA has also listed Trimmed on the slab in the past.
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  • themetalsignthemetalsign Posts: 555 ✭✭
    I personally don't like the "evidence of trimming" on slabbed cards. I think "authentic" is more marketable. I don't have any trimmed cards in my collection but I'm sure a lot of people wouldn't mind having a trimmed Babe Ruth in a slab at a tremendous discount and have it state "authentic". Just because it's trimmed doesn't mean it worthless, it's just altered and the price should reflect that. They still look great.
  • DeutscherGeistDeutscherGeist Posts: 2,990 ✭✭✭✭
    I would not pay for a mint babe ruth card. But if one were slabbed authentic, then I would consider it since not many of them are around to be so picky about condition.
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  • yankeeno7yankeeno7 Posts: 9,248 ✭✭✭
    I feel "authentic" is good for cards not well known. Is there a catalog that gives what EVERY card's size should be? Something like that I think authentic would be good for. But if a card is labelled at trimmed, recolored, etc then I think it is still marketable to a certain collector. Authentic doesnt tell me why the card isnt graded.
  • kingraider75kingraider75 Posts: 1,500 ✭✭
    I agree that authentic does have some purpose, but the defect should be noted. They put OC, MC, MK, PD, on graded cards, so why not the other defects???
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  • FabfrankFabfrank Posts: 2,312
    But if a card is labelled at trimmed, recolored, etc then I think it is still marketable to a certain collector. Authentic doesnt tell me why the card isnt graded.

    I agree that authentic does have some purpose, but the defect should be noted. They put OC, MC, MK, PD, on graded cards, so why not the other defects?

    I agree with these comments totally. I think a pretty active market would sprout for these small adjustments by PSA. Afterall, they are in the market to grade cards. So why not grade (with trimming, recoloring, etc. qualifiers) as accurately as possible.
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  • yankeeno7yankeeno7 Posts: 9,248 ✭✭✭
    How 'bout it PSA?! Let's start slabbing those babies!! image
  • dizzyfoxxdizzyfoxx Posts: 9,823 ✭✭✭
    <Shouldn't Trimmed be listed on the slab???>

    Yes! It should be listed on the majority of the high grade early pre-war (tobacco, candy, etc.) cards out there in my opinion.
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  • RipublicaninMassRipublicaninMass Posts: 10,051 ✭✭✭
    I thought sgc put what was altered on the "slab", trimmed, recolored etc. I got a 55 Bwman Banks returned and PSA showed my on the cardsaver whee it was recolored.
  • Alfonz24Alfonz24 Posts: 3,105 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>How 'bout it PSA?! Let's start slabbing those babies!! image >>



    I sent an inquiry to PSA today regarding the topic of authenicating trimmed cards.

    I bought this Mantle cheap 20 years ago at a flea market. From the naked eye you could tell it was trimmed, but it is still a great looking card.

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    I put a card behind to show how much the card was trimmed.
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  • yankeeno7yankeeno7 Posts: 9,248 ✭✭✭
    I can understand wishing that to be slabbed...why not?
  • qualitycardsqualitycards Posts: 2,811 ✭✭✭
    Here is a T3 trimmed card that is labeled as Authentic.
    The Auth grade lets us all know the card was tampered with.
    Even a beat up card that wasn't trimmed or recolored would get the PSA-1 grade.

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  • jlbsquaredjlbsquared Posts: 840


    << <i> think it would be great if PSA slabbed trimmed cards with no grade with the label stating "Evidence of Trimming". This could help keep some trimmed raw out of circulation, though Im sure many would find themselves cracked to sell as unaltered raw. I think some collectors would still be interested in these cards slabbed >>




    saw this tonight


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  • RipublicaninMassRipublicaninMass Posts: 10,051 ✭✭✭
    card is lightly trimmed, isn't that like a little pregnant?
  • bri2327bri2327 Posts: 3,178 ✭✭
    I too wish PSA would realize there is a market for such cards, whether the alteration was trimming, recoloring, pressing of corners, etc.

    My fiances father laid out close to $20K for an absolutely SWEET '52 Mantle before the days of 3rd party grading and was told around 3 years ago by PSA at the national that one of the cards corners had been pressed, thus rendering it ungradable.

    To me, as I am sure many others the card still has a great deal of appeal. Sure, it was altered, but it is still an authentic and gorgeous '52 Mantle. I am talking a very high quality PSA 8 looking card with 50/50 centering, color and eye appeal to die for, etc.

    Just because one corner had been pressed doesnt mean its anywhere close to worthless and PSA should recognize this fact and slab accordingly.
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  • jimq112jimq112 Posts: 3,511 ✭✭✭
    I tried to get psa to authenticate a 35 nat'l chicle clarke hinkle that I believe is trimmed. After waiting 2 weeks to hear back from Julius I sent it to SGC today. I don't really want "authentic" without "trimmed" so I told him if it's small to list it as trimmed, I guess I'll know in a few weeks.
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