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Article on Mcgwire and hall! i agree YES vote
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he did save baseball! he did do roids also...but how are we sure no one else in the hall never did? alex sanchez..ryan franklin. g mota??? if they all did and got busted. who's to say who did and who didnt!
I hope big mac gets in the hall this year.
he did save baseball! he did do roids also...but how are we sure no one else in the hall never did? alex sanchez..ryan franklin. g mota??? if they all did and got busted. who's to say who did and who didnt!
I hope big mac gets in the hall this year.
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he did save baseball! he did do roids also...but how are we sure no one else in the hall never did? alex sanchez..ryan franklin. g mota??? if they all did and got busted. who's to say who did and who didnt!
I hope big mac gets in the hall this year. >>
He did not "save baseball" that is nonsense. The man is pond scum and deserves to live in a pond.
yeah and brett farve did class 1 drugs also. so is he a better person?
Steroids or not, it brought the attention MLB desperately needed at that time.
<< <i>Steroids or not, it brought the attention MLB desperately needed at that time. >>
I agree completely...the owners, the commissioner, the players, everyone looked the other way when it was apparent players were juicing. Let's not play the moral police now and keep out McGwire because now everyone wants to play the 'holier than thou' attitude.
Fergie Jenkins got busted for marijuana and is in the HOF. Marijuana is illegal in the United States.
Mike Schmidt has admitted using amphetamines (they're illegal in the United States) in the 1970's, and also said he may have used steriods if they had been around while he was active, and he's in the HOF
Not to mention the countless others who probably also used something (possibly/probably illegal in the United States) while playing to keep themselves going or help their performance, with no proof or evidence ever appearing.
Mark McGwire might have used "something" (maybe illegal), but we don't know what or when. There's just NO evidence either way, except the Andro, which was legal in baseball and legal in the United States Justice System. So let's keep him out of the HOF
Sounds to me like we need to remove Fergie's and Schmidty's busts from the HOF, and while we're at it, start investigating EVERY OTHER HOFer and HOF eligible/worthy player ever! If any current HOFers turn up as having done ANYTHING ILLEGAL, TAKE THEIR BUSTS OUT OF THE HOF!
FORGET THAT!!!!!
MARK MCGWIRE DESERVES TO BE INDUCTED INTO THE HALL OF FAME DAMN IT, SO DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Steve
Oh me God. I agree with Axtell. Well said. If Buddy boy and baseball really wanted to be serious and police drugs then they would do mandatory blood tests. Can't hide those nasty little growth hormones then.
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Babe Ruth it could be said "saved" baseball. Baseball would have bounced back from the strike with or without Mark McGwire.
I really don't think he's getting in the Hall on this first ballot, but he'll get in, no doubt about that, likely next year or the year after.
I don't think McGwire lied. He just didn't answer the questions which led everbody to believe.....
We all enjoyed the home run race with big mac and sosa . It was to me llike hereing my dad talk about mantle and maris. Also lets not forget it not only helped Baseball it helped or hobby immensly. How many people came back to the hobby or got into the hobby back in 98. I remeber digging out the cases of 85 topps i bought for 500 and selling them for 2500 or that 8.00 85 topps mcgwire that skyrocketed to 265.00. . or that common 10 cent sosa rookie that we all dug out of our junk boxes to turn a nice profit
To try to play moral police now is hypocritical . He deserves to get in and thats that and when SOSAs time comes he will deserve it too
Flipping cards for profit should not be used as supporting evidence for enshrining a player into the HOF, though.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Where is the controversey regarding Roger Celemns? How does he get a free pass?
Bonds got caught and should be kept out
It was a steroid era in which everyone was juicing - even the pitchers he was hitting. So to discount his HRs on his steroid use, and not discount the pitchers which were doing the same exact thing, is tragically flawed.
I believe the writers are going to keep these guys out, some maybe forever. But it's that holier than thou attitude and fact that not much has been made til after these guys are out of baseball. Funny, you don't want to mess with the player so you don't ruin the quote or the inside info you get from them.
Baseball management, the players, writers and fans are all guilty for the state of baseball. That is obviously a generalization because some knew and probably said something...but for the most part, ostriches with heads in the sand.
Many people ask "How many of his home runs would have fell on the warning track had he not juiced?"
But what if he didn't juice. He was smaller. Yet, all the pitchers he was facing were on the juice. Would we add hypothetical Home Runs to his total since it was an unfair disadvantage?
Take Larry Walker for example. Played from 1989-2005, right smack through the steroid era. He had 383 HR's, I'd say right now he's boderline at best for HOF. Assuming he was clean, should we call it 500 HR's since he had to face pitchers that were juicing and then make him a lock for the HOF?
Where will the spectulation end?
I say take the stats and go with it since so many players at that time were playing on the same level. He dominated pitchers that were juiced up so I think his HR's count.
<< <i>Where is the controversey regarding Roger Celemns? How does he get a free pass? >>
He doesn't really. It's just that there has never been any anecdotal evidence linking Clemens to any type of drug use (other than painkillers) so it's hard to make any kind of case, even an unofficial one. Remember the idiotic blog article about him and Damon last year that took a life of it's own? It's always been inuendo and rumors, no leaked testimonies, no official statements, no skeletons in the closet, no slips of the tongue from old teammates or trainers, no nothing. Even the recent rumors regarding the redacted names from Grimsley affidavit has been shot full of holes by all parties involved and denied by Grimsley himself. On top of that, even Canseco has always been careful to preface anything he says by saying "I have never seen Clemens take performance enhancing drugs, but the following is "my opinion"". That said, I think Clemens is the player most hunted with the lowest amount of evidence.
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He doesn't really. It's just that there has never been any anecdotal evidence linking Clemens to any type of drug use (other than painkillers) so it's hard to make any kind of case, even an unofficial one. Remember the idiotic blog article about him and Damon last year that took a life of it's own? It's always been inuendo and rumors, no leaked testimonies, no official statements, no skeletons in the closet, no slips of the tongue from old teammates or trainers, no nothing. Even the recent rumors regarding the redacted names from Grimsley affidavit has been shot full of holes by all parties involved and denied by Grimsley himself. On top of that, even Canseco has always been careful to preface anything he says by saying "I have never seen Clemens take performance enhancing drugs, but the following is "my opinion"". That said, I think Clemens is the player most hunted with the lowest amount of evidence. >>
There's never been anything linking Sosa to any type of drug use - you ready to call him clean, too?
There's never been anything linking McGwire to any type of drug use (other than Andro, and it was not a banned substance by the FDA at the time) - you ready to call him clean?
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There's never been anything linking Sosa to any type of drug use - you ready to call him clean, too?
There's never been anything linking McGwire to any type of drug use (other than Andro, and it was not a banned substance by the FDA at the time) - you ready to call him clean? >>
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What the hell are you babbling about? You either didn't read what I wrote or chose to deliberately overlook the point. It's not a question of being clean or tainted. The question was why Clemens was getting a free ride, in which I submit that he isn't. It's just that there has NEVER been anything tangible (official or unofficial) for anyone to make a case out of.
With Sosa, there were the congressional hearings in which he was asked to take part. With McGwire, you have published passages from Canseco's book that outline in detail EXACTLY what he did, not to mention the fact that he practically confessed during the same, fore-mentioned hearings. This is what I meant by "anecdotal evidence". As a writer, reporter, lawyer, whatever, you need something to go on, whether it be concrete or even circumstantial, it doesn't matter - You need something. In the case of Clemens, there isn't any, but that hasn't stopped folks from trying.