cameo proof buffalo nickels....do they exist?

lsica

Any ever seen any? Anyone have any pics?

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quattrocoins

lsica

I edited the original post to clarify

lordmarcovan

1935-38 proof Buffalo nickels in CAM?

Never heard of such a beastie. I'll bet one would be a sight to behold, though.

Leiana

The 1913-1916 (rumoured 1917) Proofs were a 'matte' finish. Some of the 1936 proofs are satin or matte as well. The 1936-1937 proofs were a brilliant finish, and are described by David Lange as having both brilliant fields and devices.

So I would think that no cameo buffalo nickels exist, although they would sure be neat.

-Amanda

lsica

<< <i>1935-38 proof Buffalo nickels in CAM?

Never heard of such a beastie. I'll bet one would be a sight to behold, though. >>



35 (and 38) 'specially so

Sorry... that was too funny to miss

Whitman Red Book of Moden Proof Sets does have pics of cameo 1936 and 1937, but they're tiny and B & W. I was wondering if anyone had any other pics. Maybe I'll go check Heritage archives

lsica

<< <i>So I would think that no cameo buffalo nickels exist, although they would sure be neat. >>



Heritage archives list 4

1936 PR66 Cameo PCGS
1937 PR67 Cameo NGC
1937 PR67 Cameo PCGS
1937 PR64 Cameo PCGS

But none of the pics are impressive. Oh well

keets

Cameo's certainly do exist for the years 1936 and 1937 in Brilliant finishes and despite what Amanda and others would choose to believe the term "brilliant " doesn't necessarily preclude a coin with contrast or frosted devices. it relates more to the overall texture of the die surface than to the resulting coins produced by the dies. the Cameo Buffalos that i've seen pictures of were dated 1937 and i can't specifically say if there were more than one or what i saw was the same coin. there are also one-sided weak Cameo coins.

i don't currently have access to the PCGS pop report, but a quick check of the PCGS price guide shows a listing for 1937 CAM as follows, with the first price for PR63CAM:

83996 1937 CA - - - - - 1200 2500 5000 7000 12000

as always, when we break down the word ass-u-me we get the same thing.

RichieURich

Last time I looked, there were ten 1937 Buffaloes certified as Cameo by either PCGS or NGC, and no 1936's. At one time I owned 4 of them, 2 from each service. I decided to cut back, so I selected and kept the best two, and sold the other two. It was unbelievable how many dealers called these "common", so I said, show me your Buffalo cameos, or show me any other Buffalo cameos on the bourse floor. This request was met with no response. (Lesson: if you're going to call something common, make sure it is something of which more than 10 are slabbed!)

The cameo Buffalo 1937 proofs have a really almost matte white color I would say is most similar to cameo Shield or 3c nickels. I think that a cameo proof is a nice addition to a super set of mint state and proof Buffalo nickels, and for the money they sell for, I think they're a good value also, especially compared with what some of the MS-65's and better sell for these days.

Edited to add the 1936 Cameo in Heritage's archives is a typo, the coin is not cameo on the coin or slab.

Leiana

I was simply relating what I had read in a book, I could provide specific passages (although it would make no difference) referring to these coins. That's really no reason to denigrate me.

-Amanda

michael

of course

Cladiator

I think a round of "apology coins" are in order

DubbleDee

I see no denigration.

AU58WALKERS

nor do i

leothelyon

They're a rare sight even in pics but have seen a couple of one-sided frosties as Keets has already mentioned.

Leo

Petescorner

<< <i>I see no denigration. >>



Me neither. Was something edited that we missed?

ROBERTB

no denigration here

keets

no edits in my post which contained the alluded to "denigration" of Amanda, more likely just a bit of thin-skinned-ness on the part of someone.

shmort6552

Boy, there is some pretty thin skin around here!

AU58WALKERS

I like my coins with original thick skin

Newmismatist

83996 1937 5C PRCA 2 PF64 2 PF65 5 PF66 9 Total PF Cameo's

The Total PCGS PF Cameo for Buffalo Nickels Not particularly common

NGC Pops:
1937 5C PFCA Total 4 1 PF65 1 PF66 2 PF67

So if there are no duplicates in the above Population reports, there are 13 1937 PF Cameos

RichieURich

Thanks for posting these new totals, Ron! So there are 13 certified cameo Buffalo nickels between PCGS and NGC.

Cladiator

<< <i>So there are 13 certified cameo Buffalo nickels between PCGS and NGC. >>

Do you think that's an accurate number or inflated from crack out/resubs for upgrade?

Petescorner

<< <i>

<< <i>So there are 13 certified cameo Buffalo nickels between PCGS and NGC. >>

Do you think that's an accurate number or inflated from crack out/resubs for upgrade? >>



I'd hate to think someone cracked out a cameo designation for a resubmit.

MikeInFL

Yes there are, they are not what you would call strong cameo, but there are some 1937 brilliants that have it. I posted an example in this thread. Do a search on Heritage and a few will pop up...Mike

gyocomgd

<< <i>I see no denigration. >>



I'll second, third, fourth and fifth that emotion.

RichieURich

<< <i>Yes there are, they are not what you would call strong cameo, but there are some 1937 brilliants that have it. I posted an example in this thread. Do a search on Heritage and a few will pop up...Mike >>



The ones I've owned all had strong cameos, similar to Shield or 3c nickel cameos. They're difficult to photograph accurately and the Heritage photos don't pick up the cameo-ness very well.

poorguy

Yes they do.

RichieURich

Good photo, Brandon. What grade is it and which holder?

jmj3esq

Wow!!! That is a nice buffalo. That is truely the first one I have seen. A true rarity.

WoodenJefferson

pretty amazing coin poorguy...mirrored fields and frosty devices.

That buffalo appears like it came right out of the Frisco mint, circa 1968

Jcarney

<< <i>Yes they do.

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That's the coin I had in mind when I saw this thread. Wasn't sure where I had seen it...thanks for jostling the memory banks.

Cladiator

The obverse field looks like a pool of water. Impressive indeed.

poorguy

It is a PCGS PR67CAM.

Jcarney

This one on Anaconda's site looks pretty close to CAM also.

poorguy

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This one on Anaconda's site looks pretty close to CAM also. >>



Ehh, if you hold it in the right angle it does but to me it's completely brilliant with no frost on the devices so not a cameo. That PCGS one in the pic was a mindblower with solid cameo frost.

CarlWohlforth

I saw a 1937 PCGS PR 67 Cameo Buffalo nickel at long beach a few years ago. Some guy in an elevator at the hotel I was staying at saw my Show badge and asked me if I wanted to see a neat coin. I did and it was a Cameo Proof Buffalo. I asked how much and he said $10 Grand. I didn't buy it but I did enjoy looking at it.

Moose1913

Shamika

I've never seen a DCAM (I don't think they exist), but I did see a regular CAM two years ago. It was pretty wild.

Barndog

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<< <i>I see no denigration. >>



I'll second, third, fourth and fifth that emotion. >>



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I think Keets was pointing out that one can't assume truth based solely on what can be found in books. One must temper knowledge gained from books with knowledge gained from experience. To assume a book offers the be-all, end-all insofar as truth in numismatics is concerned is indeed an error.