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Auction 130050835939 is for a dateless 21 Peace dollar. How can you tell it is 1921?

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  • VamGuyVamGuy Posts: 1,624


    << <i>How can you tell it is 1921? >>

    The high relief design of the 1921 Peace dollar wears differently than all other years having the low relief.
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  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,394 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It's probably really a 21. The wear pattern is consistent with a coin that has concave fields. The actual concavity should be obvious with the coin in hand. I'd take the shot.

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  • jdimmickjdimmick Posts: 9,757 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The depth of the field contrast with the device on this coin, lead me to beleive it is in fact a 21.

    jim
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,732 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Will PCGS slab a coin like this without a date but which can be identified but other features?

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  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,394 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Of course it could also be a 1922 High Relief...
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  • RichieURichRichieURich Posts: 8,547 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Of course it could also be a 1922 High Relief... >>



    Just what I was thinking, Andy. Of course, with only 1 circulated 1922 High Relief known, I'm guessing PCGS would slab it as a 1921.

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  • CoxeCoxe Posts: 11,139
    Easy. The number of ray segments between the tail and leg feathers on that one is clearly 2. That makes it a high relief reverse. Most likely it is a 1921. If a 1922, it would be exceedingly rare.
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  • InditonkaInditonka Posts: 440 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Just what I was thinking, Andy. Of course, with only 1 circulated 1922 High Relief known, I'm guessing PCGS would slab it as a 1921. >>



    If this is the case, I may have this one or there's 2 or more circulating! Its in an ANACS FR02 slab stating its a 1921, I've shown quite a few dealers and all believe it could very well be a '22 as the last digit to the date has a curve of a '2'! The next big coin show I go to, I plan to bring it and have it further evaluated.
  • CoxeCoxe Posts: 11,139


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    << <i>Just what I was thinking, Andy. Of course, with only 1 circulated 1922 High Relief known, I'm guessing PCGS would slab it as a 1921. >>



    If this is the case, I may have this one or there's 2 or more circulating! Its in an ANACS FR02 slab stating its a 1921, I've shown quite a few dealers and all believe it could very well be a '22 as the last digit to the date has a curve of a '2'! The next big coin show I go to, I plan to bring it and have it further evaluated. >>



    Someone posted one one here that looked like a 1922 high relief this year. It was quite worn. I do recall making the observation of that possibility in passing.
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  • coinnut86coinnut86 Posts: 1,592 ✭✭✭
    Maybe it was his pocket piece image
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  • WoodenJeffersonWoodenJefferson Posts: 6,491 ✭✭✭✭
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  • << <i>Will PCGS slab a coin like this without a date but which can be identified but other features? >>



    I don't think so. PCGS grading standards say: PO1 Indetifiable date and type. The bottom of the reverse looks like what's left over from the bottom of the Eagles left leg where the feathers stop...the hook part...and the other marks being rays.



    Jerry
  • DNADaveDNADave Posts: 7,302 ✭✭✭✭✭
    ttt
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,732 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>Will PCGS slab a coin like this without a date but which can be identified but other features? >>



    I don't think so. PCGS grading standards say: PO1 Indetifiable date and type. The bottom of the reverse looks like what's left over from the bottom of the Eagles left leg where the feathers stop...the hook part...and the other marks being rays. >>




    I think I remember seeing a low grade Chain cent in a PCGS slab without a date but I may be mistaken.



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  • BigDaddyzBigDaddyz Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭
    Can't you always just trust the seller to give you accurate information?
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  • Before you bid on this, you might want to check toolhaus.org. This guy has 60 negative/neutral feedbacks received. I dont care how many items he's sold that's ridiculous. Save yourself the headache.
  • tjkilliantjkillian Posts: 5,578 ✭✭✭
    I've owned a Chain Cent that had no date, yet PCGS holdered it as a PO-01. Sold it to another forum member as I like all my coins to have a date.

    Yes, PCGS will holder any slabbable coin that is uniquely identifiable, even if it does not have a date.

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  • RichieURichRichieURich Posts: 8,547 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>Just what I was thinking, Andy. Of course, with only 1 circulated 1922 High Relief known, I'm guessing PCGS would slab it as a 1921. >>



    If this is the case, I may have this one or there's 2 or more circulating! Its in an ANACS FR02 slab stating its a 1921, I've shown quite a few dealers and all believe it could very well be a '22 as the last digit to the date has a curve of a '2'! The next big coin show I go to, I plan to bring it and have it further evaluated. >>



    Can you post a photo of this coin, Inditonka?

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  • InditonkaInditonka Posts: 440 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Can you post a photo of this coin, Inditonka? >>



    I'll post a digital picture sometime after 12/11, going to Europe tomorrow, and the coin is in the SDB right now. I do have a bad scan of it, you can get a general idea of the coin at least. Maybe someone can do something with it to make it look better, or show more detail.

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  • I bid $20, but it is already way over that


  • << <i>PCGS grading standards say: PO1 Indetifiable date and type. >>



    You can identify date and type for some coins without being able to read the date. This coin is the perfect example. I would expect PCGS to slab it provided that it doesn't have any damage that can't be seen in the images.
  • ColorfulcoinsColorfulcoins Posts: 3,370 ✭✭✭
    Here's my PCGS PO01. Its dateless but still identifiable as a 1921 High Relief.

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  • mepotmepot Posts: 586 ✭✭✭
    Whoa,check the winning bid on this coin.Somebody wanted it bad!imageWhats next,

    AW?........Artificial wear?10- 20 X bid for a worn Peace.Wheres these bidders when I try to

    sell on ebay?
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  • HyperionHyperion Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭
    holy crap. almost 2 bills.


  • was this a joke? plz tell me that the coin didn't bring over 191 screws. if true, that seller is the world's best used car salesperson. a real conversation piece. DUMMY for the person who bought it. image
  • I don't think it is a joke at all. If it gets into a PO1 PCGS holder I think it will sell for more. G-04 and down are hard to find problem free and there are quite a few people that collect them.



    Jerry
  • ColorfulcoinsColorfulcoins Posts: 3,370 ✭✭✭
    Gents, I'm that dummy that paid 191 screws......and I've had several PM's from Board members interested in buying the my current PO01 (assuming this "new" coin slabs). Pop bottoms is where its at (or where it use to be before it wore away). Seriously, the 1921 Peace is a pop2 in PCGS PO01 - I made the 1st coin about 18 months ago and someone recently made the 2nd coin.

    Honestly, its one heck of a lot easier to make a 1921 in PO01 than it is to make ANY mint marked Peace $1 in PO01. Don't believe me? Check out how close to the rim the MM is on a Peace $1 and now wear down the rim - OOPS, no more mint mark. THe PCGS grading Guide basically says that below a FR02 grade, the mint mark wears away making the coin indeterminate (ie, PO01 Peace $1's with MM are like crows teeth). In 2 years of trying, I've made a 1934-S in PO01 and purchased a 1923-S in PO01.......pretty slim pickings indeed given I've made probably a dozen P mint PO01's.

    Interested in seeing what a worn down set of Peace Dollars looks like? Here's my Pocket Peace Registry set - ranked #132nd, average grade of 1.46, 54% complete. Link
    Craig
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  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,492 ✭✭✭✭
    I was tracking that auction and when I saw that 191 winning bid, I just knew it was a forum member!

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