93 refractors...holy cow

ldferg

is this for real: 93 'raf'ractor...

mojo is raking in on these refractors.

onefasttalon

I don't know... it's tuff to swallow. If you keep up on Ebay history/present... there are only about 10 userID's really spending the rediculous bucks on these. What's odd is, there are only about 10 userID's selling them too. Don't get me wrong, there are a lot more than 10 or so userID's buying/selling them, but not that many shelling out the big bucks. Personally... I'm just hoping I stumble upon some of these one day so I can test out my luck with'em!

AkbarClone

ridiculous

gosteelers

<< <i>is this for real: 93 'raf'ractor...

mojo is raking in on these refractors. >>



I've been following the '93 Refractors for a while now, and while I thought this card was going to go high, I never thought it would go this high! You had the top two registry guys battling it out, and it's a 1 of 1 (for now), but that's just a crazy amount of money. I had 2 9's awhile back, I should have cracked mine and tried for the 10!

Stone193

<< <i>

<< <i>is this for real: 93 'raf'ractor...

mojo is raking in on these refractors. >>



I've been following the '93 Refractors for a while now, and while I thought this card was going to go high, I never thought it would go this high! You had the top two registry guys battling it out, and it's a 1 of 1 (for now), but that's just a crazy amount of money. I had 2 9's awhile back, I should have cracked mine and tried for the 10! >>


Wow

So, the registry drove this up?

Bragging rights runs just so deep with me.

I would be happy with one of your 9s.

mike

gosteelers

The registry can do wonders for a seller's wallet! It looks like the third place bid was around $600...

Ahmanfan

The winner (and 2nd high bidder) must be either 1. Extremely wealthy, or 2. not be very satisfied with the rest of their lives... jeez...
John

zef204

IMO, there is no way this seller is getting paid for this auction.

Not condoning bidding and not paying, but been on the selling end when 2 guys put in extremely high bids and having the winning bidders back out.

Estil

Geez, I know there were only 241 refractors per player, but sheesh, I would think it wouldn't be that hard to get a 10 on a 1993 Finest refractor.

Now don't get me wrong, those refractors look like quite beautiful cards, but I wouldn't want to spend $20K or more on a set that's only 13 years old and nothing more than a dressed up version of 1993 Finest (which the regular set can be had for $100). For that kind of money, wouldn't it be better to get NRMT complete sets of 1970s and perhaps if I'm lucky, late 1960s Topps sets. Those will always be valuable and will always be classics.

DaBigHurt

1993 Finest Refractors in PSA 10 have PLUMMETED in value the last few years. While there are still some "low pops" out there, it's silly to pay $4,000 for a PSA 10 Palmeiro when all you have to do to find another is keep cracking/submitting PSA 8, 9 or raw Palmeiros until you hit paydirt. Might it take a few months and some grading fees? Sure, but I guarantee you, if you keep submitting the same cards over and over again, you'll eventually get the grade you want. Make no mistake about it, the buyer is paying $4,470 for a PSA 10 slab and about $22 for the Palmeiro card.

Today's Andy Van Slyke, Shane Mack, Palmeiro PSA 10 is yesterday's PSA 9 Tim Raines, Juan Gonzalez, Jeff Montgomery, Jeff Bagwell, Doug Jones, etc...

When the next Palmeiro 10 comes up for sale, it'll sell for around $700, unless someone shills up him to $4,000 again.

halosfan

These cards are ridiculous. I can't believe that there are only 241 of each as they are constantly for sale by the same sellers.

Secondly, with all of the shilling activity with this issue, who in their right mind is going to place an insanely high bid?

XanaduNow

I agree with Zef, I don't think the seller is getting paid on this one. A case of two bidders throwing up rediculous bids thinking no one else would do the same. Lightning in a bottle and Back-Out City.

Arthur

ldferg

i'm gonna side with zef on this one as well. i've been watching some of mojo's auctions and he had a run of these refractors end last night. wow at the hammer prices on some.

gosteelers

Guys, I know the buyer. He's a good guy and he'll pay for the auction. They may make some kind of 'package' price, depending on what else he won, but he's paying for the auction...

Ahmanfan

Did you ask your friend what he was smoking when he bid on this auction?

gosteelers

<< <i>Did you ask your friend what he was smoking when he bid on this auction? >>



I haven't spoken to him, but yes, that sure is a hell of a lot of money to spend on a 13 year old card...To each his own, I guess

julen23

agreed...

the probability of this seller getting paid is about as likely as my wife getting a boob job.


julen

DaBigHurt

The high bidder is Joe Kent, who is tied for the #1 spot on the Set Registry with Pinhead, who was the underbidder. Both are heavy hitters and will pay the $4,000 for the Palmeiro. They were able to get the #1 spot on the Registry by paying top dollar for refractors. They won't backing out of the sale.

Although once they finish the set in 10 and Richard Weigle finishes his as well, you should see a significant decline in refractor sales prices, even more so than what we've seen in the last few years.

gosteelers

<< <i>agreed...

the probability of this seller getting paid is about as likely as my wife getting a boob job.


julen >>



How do you know? Do you know the parties involved?

Southerncards

$4500 for an ugly card of a steroid junkie.

sad

RipublicaninMass

<< <i>when all you have to do to find another is keep cracking/submitting PSA 8, 9 or raw Palmeiros until you hit paydirt. Might it take a few months and some grading fees? Sure, but I guarantee you, if you keep submitting the same cards over and over again, you'll eventually get the grade you want. [q]

WOW did you forget your PSA approved medication???

pandrews

<< <i>When the next Palmeiro 10 comes up for sale, it'll sell for around $700, unless someone shills up him to $4,000 again. >>



who is the shill on this auction?

julen23

DARKNESS . . . .



julen

Boopotts

<< <i>$4500 for an ugly card of a steroid junkie.

sad >>



Yes, but at least the card is in a PSA slab, which should make you very happy.

Southerncards

Yes, lovely.....

Maybe that's part of it being an ugly card, Ted.

Boopotts

<< <i>Yes, lovely.....

Maybe that's part of it being an ugly card, Ted. >>



Another good point. Man, I think about all the meth and sodomy I could buy for $4500 and spine gets all a'tinglin'!!

brian26

Absolutely nuts.

Southerncards

<< <i>

<< <i>Yes, lovely.....

Maybe that's part of it being an ugly card, Ted. >>



Another good point. Man, I think about all the meth and sodomy I could buy for $4500 and spine gets all a'tinglin'!! >>




Funny! A good laugh had by all!

ctsoxfan

Who even cares that much about Finest refractors from 1993? If not for these few insane people bidding, I would guess the set would be (and someday will be) worthless.

gosteelers

<< <i>Who even cares that much about Finest refractors from 1993? If not for these few insane people bidding, I would guess the set would be (and someday will be) worthless. >>



Another narrow minded response. You can pretty much say that about any piece of cardboard. If everyone thinks like this, maybe the hobby will go away sooner than later...

NewJerseyMeatHook

You don't necessarily need to be narrow-minded to come to this "ugly" conclusion.

Was this the beginning of the insert craze? If so, shame on Topps.

I discovered red-haired sensimilla and, thus, was really high in 1993. Somehow, however, I managed to graduate from college that very year. But I have no recollection, whatsoever, of refractors.

A brief history of refractors in America? Anyone?

NewJerseyMeatHook

Boo, you're the man.

My sentiments exactly.

RipublicaninMass

<< <i>

I discovered red-haired sensimilla >>



It was Hindu Kush for me

Stone193

Grading companies - cards - money...

I never cease to be amazed how much emotion this evokes.

mike

Estil

<< <i>You don't necessarily need to be narrow-minded to come to this "ugly" conclusion.

Was this the beginning of the insert craze? If so, shame on Topps.

I discovered red-haired sensimilla and, thus, was really high in 1993. Somehow, however, I managed to graduate from college that very year. But I have no recollection, whatsoever, of refractors.

A brief history of refractors in America? Anyone? >>



Actually, 1992 is when insertmaina started, according to the Nov 1994 Beckett.

Boopotts

<< <i>Grading companies - cards - money...

I never cease to be amazed how much emotion this evokes.

mike >>




I don't know-- I don't think there's any more emotion here than there is in the typical 'buyer left me a neg over a $2 card' thread, and CERTAINLY no more emotion then what you'll find in a " I hate the Yankees" thread on the sports talk forum. But when a card sells for a ton of money that nobody expected to see sell for that much people are bound to have at least some kind of opinion on it.

jmbkb4

<< <i>IMO, there is no way this seller is getting paid for this auction.

Not condoning bidding and not paying, but been on the selling end when 2 guys put in extremely high bids and having the winning bidders back out. >>


Wrong. The buyer is now #1 on the Registry and, to him, is $$$$$ well spent.

jmbkb4

dabighurt writes:

<< <i>When the next Palmeiro 10 comes up for sale, it'll sell for around $700, unless someone shills up him to $4,000 again. >>



Another moronic comment. Can you remind me who is the shill? Please keep in mind that the underbidder (pinhead42), whom you are obviously calling a 'shill,' paid $4,500 for my 1/1 Puckett a few months ago...

DaBigHurt

In an earlier post, I said the winner and underbidder were legit buyers because they were tied for the top spot on the Set Registry. What I meant to say in the quoted text was: the next Palmeiro 10 will go for quite a bit less than $4500, unless someone decides to shill the auction up, knowing pinhead is willing to go $4500 for a Palmeiro 10.

But we all know that would NEVER happen, right?

jmbkb4

<< <i>In an earlier post, I said the winner and underbidder were legit buyers because they were tied for the top spot on the Set Registry. What I meant to say in the quoted text was: the next Palmeiro 10 will go for quite a bit less than $4500, unless someone decides to shill the auction up, knowing pinhead is willing to go $4500 for a Palmeiro 10.

But we all know that would NEVER happen, right? >>


On this point we agree.

(i.e., Why do YOU think that bbcardco and wcsports1 are both having their "extra" refractors sold by Tuttle of 'consignmints?')

Seriously, though, --> I think many winners of Tuttle's recent auctions do have you (and other members of this board) to thank for saving them big $$$$....

Of course JTcards (Tuttle) was THE principal shill on wcsports1 and bbcardco's previous auctions but, details, details, right?

DaBigHurt

<< <i>

<< <i>In an earlier post, I said the winner and underbidder were legit buyers because they were tied for the top spot on the Set Registry. What I meant to say in the quoted text was: the next Palmeiro 10 will go for quite a bit less than $4500, unless someone decides to shill the auction up, knowing pinhead is willing to go $4500 for a Palmeiro 10.

But we all know that would NEVER happen, right? >>


On this point we agree.

(i.e., Why do YOU think that bbcardco and wcsports1 are both having their "extra" refractors sold by Tuttle of 'consignmints?')

Seriously, though, --> I think many winners of Tuttle's recent auctions do have you (and other members of this board) to thank for saving them big $$$$....

Of course JTcards (Tuttle) was THE principal shill on wcsports1 and bbcardco's previous auctions but, details, details, right? >>



I didn't realize JTcards (tuttle) went by Consignmints, but if you say it's so, it sure would make a lot of sense in hindsight. We all knew there was no good reason the ebay handle JTcards would be bidding STUPID prices on 1993 finest refractors in the first place. A collector bidding like that, I can understand, but a seasoned card dealer who knows the ins and outs of the business paying super premium prices for cards to resell?

jmbkb4

I think it is a little-known but very interesting fact. I've bought '93s from congisnmints in the past few weeks and was shocked to see to whom I was sending payment...

blindflyer

Here's what I don't get ....

There's 2 primary collector's in the chase for #1 registry set. After that, the interest in Refractor's drops considerably. With 241 of each card and an obvious shill + strategy going on by the dealers.... why on earth don't the top two collector's work together? Why condone the dealers shananigans when they could work together to create a price ceiling and let the shill win the auction if it goes above that ceiling. I'd have to think there's at least 2 or more 10's of each card --- enough for each of them.

I guess if they want to pay $4k for a card that's getting shilled, it's their perogrative, but by working together they could probably both complete their registry sets and keep their wallets a bit heavier in the process.

-Tom

julen23

Skunk No. 1

Julen

ldferg

blindflyer,
i agree all the way. surely the top 2 guys know what is happening....

gosteelers

<< <i>Here's what I don't get ....

There's 2 primary collector's in the chase for #1 registry set. After that, the interest in Refractor's drops considerably. With 241 of each card and an obvious shill + strategy going on by the dealers.... why on earth don't the top two collector's work together? Why condone the dealers shananigans when they could work together to create a price ceiling and let the shill win the auction if it goes above that ceiling. I'd have to think there's at least 2 or more 10's of each card --- enough for each of them.

I guess if they want to pay $4k for a card that's getting shilled, it's their perogrative, but by working together they could probably both complete their registry sets and keep their wallets a bit heavier in the process.

-Tom >>



This particular auction wasn't shilled...

NewJerseyMeatHook

Refractor Collector

Estil

Don't you think someone rich enough to build a 1993 Finest refractor set would be rich enough to afford more up-to-date computer equipment? Sheesh...

jmbkb4

<< <i>Refractor Collector
>>


Ridiculous.

That is my bad angle.

Boopotts

<< <i>Refractor Collector
>>



Impossible. The Rotatrim paper cutter is nowhere to be seen.

jmbkb4

Not surprising you would stoop. You must stoop quite often.

Love your sig.