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Help!...I need a hand with some older unknowns

I got a bunch of older pieces today and can't figure some of them out. Could anyone give me a hand?

#1...this one is about 15-16mm and appears to be silver. It looks like it has been struck twice.

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#2...this piece is toned and I can't tell it's composition. It's about 15mm in diameter. The design on one side appears to be struck off center, but there is another rim with two dots/pellets outside of what appears to be the original rim design.

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    newsmannewsman Posts: 2,658 ✭✭✭
    The top one looks like a Hungarian Madonna and child denar. I can't tell the year, but I can make out the legend on the portrait side.
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    AethelredAethelred Posts: 9,288 ✭✭✭
    That second one is tough, I have no clue.
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    spoonspoon Posts: 2,798 ✭✭✭
    That second one is a toughie!

    It looks to have crossed keys, and I'm at a loss right now as to where I've seen those before. I know a Pope or two had them on his family arms. And the shapely nature of the arms (if I'm seeing it right!) is more typical of Italian heraldry.

    But I have no clue!
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    AethelredAethelred Posts: 9,288 ✭✭✭


    << <i>It looks to have crossed keys >>



    I did not make that out on first look, Papal States perhaps? I'll have to drag uot the Berman book on Papal.
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    I believe #2 is Livonia(Riga) under Swedish rule, although I can't find an exact match in Krause. Legends appear to be: Christina DG DRS/ Solidus Civi Rigen.

    The design on one side appears to be struck off center, but there is another rim with two dots/pellets outside of what appears to be the original rim design.

    These were struck with roller dies, the extra rim/dots are from the next die pair.
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    BlackhawkBlackhawk Posts: 3,898 ✭✭✭
    I can't find the same on on anything that I've spotted on the internet though. The ruler would be Christina? All the Christina coins that I can find have letters in the center and a date - this one has an arrow or point.
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    AethelredAethelred Posts: 9,288 ✭✭✭
    I love mystery coins!image
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    lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,218 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The first one looks to have the name "Wladislai". ("Vladislaw", when anglicized?)

    I do believe DCH nailed the second one, or at least got pretty close. I was thinking along the lines of something Swedish when I saw the S-O-L-I-D- of "solidus". It would be struck in billon, most likely. The Swedish solidus I discovered in a bulk lot once was billon, but much more coppery and brown than your example, there.

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