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GoldenEyeNumismatics · November 23, 2006 3:13AM

This is a serious problem on ebay and in other online sites... especially with saturated photo's to enhance toning. Post you saturated pics so we can learn what to look for!

This isn't my coin and I don't even remember where I got the original image... but I enhanced it just because it is a great example

anablep · November 23, 2006 3:14AM

I hate unnatural enhancement of coins and breasts.

p8nt · November 23, 2006 3:16AM

GoldenEye,

I'll bet that picture came from Anaconda. I recognize the photography.

MisterBungle · November 23, 2006 3:19AM

anablep wrote:

> "I hate unnatural enhancement of coins and breasts."
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And there you had both in the same post!!

~

Musky1011 · November 23, 2006 3:47AM

JamminJ enhanced pic-actual coin much darker

MikeKing · November 23, 2006 3:57AM

looks like a typical trueview pic

Julio · November 23, 2006 4:02AM

Anyone who uses technology to enhance a coin Pic. with the desire to sell said coin, is scum. JMO. jws

ziggy29 · November 23, 2006 4:05AM

One stop shopping.

Fairlaneman · November 23, 2006 4:07AM

Natural

Enhanced

Dog97 · November 24, 2006 4:41AM

From my abused Morgan collection; I fondly call her Big Black Eye. Seller’s pict on left; mine on right. My pict looks just like the coin. The coin has no flourscent green or yellow. Seller called it ”Vivid Pastel Toned” Being that “vivid” means bright or intense and “pastel” means subdued I guess he meant it was intensly subdued.

Zoins · November 24, 2006 4:45AM

Saturation of photos in the digital age is kind of tricky because some cameras are known to produce unnaturally saturated photos, such as many Sony digital cameras. Technically a person using a Sony digicam with default settings may be in the same category as a person using Photoshop and a Canon digicam.

bhartman35 · November 24, 2006 4:51AM

I've always wondered about this: Is there any image enhancement that's ethically acceptable, or does the image you post on e.g., Ebay, need to be the image you actually took at all times? I've had situations where it took me substantial time to get the image right, whereas I could have just used an image editor (GIMP, Photoshop) to adjust the brightness, contrast, or color balance. Is it always unethical, even when you end up with an image that is closest to what the coin looks like in hand?

Dog97 · November 24, 2006 4:56AM

<<<I've always wondered about this: Is there any image enhancement that's ethically acceptable, or does the image you post on e.g., Ebay, need to be the image you actually took at all times? I've had situations where it took me substantial time to get the image right, whereas I could have just used an image editor (GIMP, Photoshop) to adjust the brightness, contrast, or color balance. Is it always unethical, even when you end up with an image that is closest to what the coin looks like in hand? >>>

As long as it looks like the coin, no problem. It's sellers that post pictures of coins looking like radioactive christmas trees that really look like a dog turn that is the problem.

SilverEagles92 · November 24, 2006 5:03AM

Before:

After:

stman · November 24, 2006 5:12AM

I think a bigger problem sometimes is folks see a tweaked out saturated, contrasted picture that in no way would look like that in real life. yet, their fantasy makes them believe and hope it does. Some of the tweaked out images I see I wouldn't want it to look like that in real life, I'd be afraid if it did.

Picky as I can be, I just try and read the image and hope it's close to what I've seen in person before. And, I just love seeing crappy scanned coins for sale. Most pass them by as technology has improved and they seem to want to be entertained by a tweaked out image. More crappy scanned coins for sale, for me.

Dog97 · November 24, 2006 5:27AM

Here's another one, the coin is not green with fire engine red on it, it looks just like my dull blue picture. That's why in my Reg set I call her "Liberty in the Deep Blue Sea" and not Liberty in the Deep Green Sea.

Burks · November 24, 2006 7:14AM

Musky, mind actually posting the "real" image of that Heller?

SilverEagles92 · November 24, 2006 7:22AM

Another of the SAE:

notwilight · November 24, 2006 8:31AM

<< I hate unnatural enhancement of coins and breasts. >>

I'm with you on the coins.

Burks · November 24, 2006 2:20PM

<< Musky, mind actually posting the "real" image of that Heller? >>

Still waiting......

ajia · November 24, 2006 2:33PM

I won't go so far as say 'enhanced', but his interpretation,

and mine,

used the same reverse (his) as the reverse is white & his is sharper.

lordmarcovan · November 24, 2006 2:39PM

Man, most of the stuff I have seen in this thread (in both "before" AND "after" photos) would have me screaming and running for my jar of EZ-Est in a flash. Blecch!

Dog97 · November 24, 2006 4:21PM

<<<Man, most of the stuff I have seen in this thread (in both "before" AND "after" photos) would have me screaming and running for my jar of EZ-Est in a flash. Blecch!>>>

The OP meant to post a picture that somebody had enhanced themselves but nobody is going to get on here touting his picture doctoring skills so we posted a few pictures that eBay sellers had enhanced vs what their wares really looked like.

Nobody will post any significant BEFORE & AFTER pictures because:
#1 Nobody can prove that pictures they say the dealers enhance are actually enhanced.
#2 Nobody will admit they bought a coin that didn’t look as “monster” as the picture.
#3 Nobody wants to offend their favorite dealer by claiming that he enhances pictures.
#4 Nobody wants to bash their favorite seller because they cosign their coins to him to sell using enhanced pictures to get higher prices.
#5 All the vivid vibrant fluorescent neon monsters actually look that way in real life.

pharmer · November 25, 2006 12:24AM

#6. He took one of poorguy's images and enhanced it himself. To make his point?

Musky1011 · November 27, 2006 4:13AM

I still love this coin either way!!!!

JamminJ Auction Pics

Actual coin pics

Enhanced or not- you tell me

Jim

mgoodm3 · November 27, 2006 4:20AM

<< JamminJ Auction Pics

Actual coin pics

Enhanced or not- you tell me

Jim >>

Not necessarily enhanced. The look of the images depend a lot upon technique.

Musky1011 · November 27, 2006 4:23AM

O.K. maybe my definition of enhanced is different than most people
Maybe just Misleading

How can you take a dark blue coin and have much lighter vivid blue on an auction pic

Jim

mgoodm3 · November 27, 2006 4:27AM

Is the coin blue when viewed at an angle?

My own preference is to have a straight-on image as the basic image (more like your image) and an angled image to show color if necessary.

Musky1011 · November 27, 2006 4:29AM

If you hold coin at an angle- the pic of coin will be slightly oblong

you can hold coin at any angle in any light and still not come up with those vivid blue colors
maybe they just lightened up the pics

Jim

mgoodm3 · November 27, 2006 4:37AM

<< If you hold coin at an angle- the pic of coin will be slightly oblong

you can hold coin at any angle in any light and still not come up with those vivid blue colors
maybe they just lightened up the pics

Jim >>

Can't argue with you because I don't have the coin to compare to.

Pics don't have to be oblong when imaged at angle. A small angle won't induce much distiortion and can be hard to see. Photoshop can make them round again if need be.

Musky1011 · November 27, 2006 4:40AM

If you photoshop a coin wouldn't it be enhanced???

Jcarney · November 27, 2006 4:45AM

<< If you photoshop a coin wouldn't it be enhanced??? >>

Not necessarily. What if you photoshop a pic to compensate for camera settings/lighting conditions to make the pic look more like the coin in hand? I think the ethics boundary is crossed when any adjustments are made to a photo, whether pre or post processing, to make a coin either look better than it is or to hide defects. IMO though, this only applies to pics used to convey information about a coin for sale.

mgoodm3 · November 27, 2006 4:47AM

As long as the picture remain "accurate" and don't look "over-processed" , I don't care what you do to it. All the people that think right out of the camera is "unenhanced" are sorely mistaken. There is no real image that exists off of the detector in digital cameras. The data is just a bunch of red green and blue pixels that have to be reconstructed into an image by the camera. The camera will apply various adjustments to the color, contrast, sharpness that the designers saw fit.

MikeInFL · November 27, 2006 4:49AM

Here's a series of pictures with the saturation successively enhanced:

Here's a shot that illustrates that just because the slab seems the right color doesn't mean the photo hasn't been enhanced:

poorguy · November 27, 2006 4:54AM

<< This is a serious problem on ebay and in other online sites... especially with saturated photo's to enhance toning. Post you saturated pics so we can learn what to look for!

This isn't my coin and I don't even remember where I got the original image... but I enhanced it just because it is a great example

>>

That is actually my picture. Thanks for the compliment, and for the record, it looks like the top photo (which is the original photo). The bottom one is the one that is enhanced.

Musky1011 · November 27, 2006 5:36AM

<< I still love this coin either way!!!!

JamminJ Auction Pics

Actual coin pics

Enhanced or not- you tell me

Jim >>

If this one isn't enhanced then I sure owe a big "I'M SORRY" to Poorguy and Anaconda Rare Coins for my assumption on the 1905 Pr62 nickel picture then!!!

Jim

poorguy · November 27, 2006 5:56AM

If this one isn't enhanced then I sure owe a big "I'M SORRY" to Poorguy and Anaconda Rare Coins for my assumption on the 1905 Pr62 nickel picture then!!!

What 1905 PR62 Nickel?

We've only sold one.

Leiana · November 27, 2006 6:09AM

Here's a picture I enhanced...

Before, straight from the camera but cropped.

After!

I have few pictures of toned coins that I have taken, so please excuse me for posting this one again. Also, I don't think it's quite right to mess with someone else's photos.

Also, you can 'unsaturate' pictures that have been saturated.

-Amanda

MikeInFL · November 27, 2006 6:27AM

<< I still love this coin either way!!!!

JamminJ Auction Pics

Actual coin pics

Enhanced or not- you tell me

Jim >>

IMO, both the coin (MS70) and the photo (saturation) have been enhanced...Mike

Musky1011 · November 27, 2006 6:32AM

<< If this one isn't enhanced then I sure owe a big "I'M SORRY" to Poorguy and Anaconda Rare Coins for my assumption on the 1905 Pr62 nickel picture then!!!

What 1905 PR62 Nickel?

We've only sold one.

>>

Yes that's the one

Jim

Musky1011 · November 27, 2006 6:36AM

<< 

<< I still love this coin either way!!!!

JamminJ Auction Pics

Actual coin pics

Enhanced or not- you tell me

Jim >>

IMO, both the coin (MS70) and the photo (saturation) have been enhanced...Mike >>

Only resized the pics-that's all

Jim

poorguy · November 27, 2006 7:11AM

<< 

<< If this one isn't enhanced then I sure owe a big "I'M SORRY" to Poorguy and Anaconda Rare Coins for my assumption on the 1905 Pr62 nickel picture then!!!

What 1905 PR62 Nickel?

We've only sold one.

>>

Yes that's the one

Jim >>

Ok.... What did you think was wrong with it? I got that coin in a large group that I sent in for grading. It wasn't even a terribly expensive coin. I didn't think it was very attractive though.

Musky1011 · November 27, 2006 7:14AM

nothing, I cracked it and put in album
We'll see what it looks like in 20 years or so

Jim

MikeInFL · November 27, 2006 7:20AM

<< 

IMO, both the coin (MS70) and the photo (saturation) have been enhanced...Mike >>

Only resized the pics-that's all

Jim >>

Jim, I was referring to JamminJ's pics, not your resizing...Mike

poorguy · November 27, 2006 7:44AM

<< nothing, I cracked it and put in album
We'll see what it looks like in 20 years or so

Jim >>

Cool. I wasn't aware there was ever a problem. Let me know next time. I'm glad it worked out for you though. If I'd known you were going to crack it out I would have never paid the grading fees for it.

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