Kennedy Experts - Cleaning Lines or DIE POLISH

jgrinz

I am thinking die polish as the rub lines do not cross of the cameo accents. The Fields being the highest point of the die it makes sense
and does PCGS slab any coins with this amount of die polish done to the die / OR is it cleaned ...
Also there is visual die deterioration the the "S & T" of trust on the obverse as they are almost flat and with out
cameo frost ... Strange coin non the less ..






Any input would be appreciated

Mike

TorinoCobra71

Those APPEAR to be DIE POLISH lines......

TorinoCobra71

clevegreg

Hard to tell. The pic with the 96 at the bottom looks like cleaning.

jmj3esq

I think it looks like cleaning hairlines.

Connecticoin

Look like hairlines to me. Die polish lines are raised, and those look concave.

NumisOxide

Looks like cleaning because it seems that the lines go on the devices.

coinguy1

I am virtually certain that most of what you are seeing is die polish (as the lines go up to, but not through/over the letters, etc.) although there look to be some hairlines too. The hairlines are not necessarily the result of cleaning.

Russ

<< <i>The hairlines are not necessarily the result of cleaning. >>



Mark is correct. In fact, it's highly unlikely they are a result of cleaning. This type of hairlining is common on these, and comes from the handling they received at the mint, not cleaning. Oh, and the flat S&T is not die deterioration, it's a strike-thru.

Russ, NCNE

Fairlaneman

Been wiped. Look at the D and the F. Look where his face meets his neck. Obvious on my screen.

Ken

JRocco

<< <i>Been wiped. Look at the D and the F. Look where his face meets his neck. Obvious on my screen.

Ken >>



Agree---Look at the pic that shows the IN GOD, then look at the throat area...I believe it has been wiped.

Russ

It hasn't been wiped. Plenty of these come right out of the mint packaging looking like that. These were dumped in hoppers just like regular business strike production. They were also severely mishandled even after they were packaged, and easily hairlined.

Russ, NCNE

JRocco

Thanks Russ---learn something here all the time

Fairlaneman

<< <i>It hasn't been wiped. Plenty of these come right out of the mint packaging looking like that. These were dumped in hoppers just like regular business strike production. They were also severely mishandled even after they were packaged, and easily hairlined.

Russ, NCNE >>



I'm not buying the non wiped statement. Of course to be sure we would have to see the coin in hand. Also whats going on right below In God ? The coin just does not look real good.

Ken

Elysium

Yeah, hairlines look a little too "aggressive" to be die polish. But that's just my opinion.

CarlWohlforth

From the photos it looks like a combo of die polish and hairlines. I could tell for sure with the coin in hand, my trusty loupe and my halogen lamp. If the lines were raised I could tilt the coin under the light and see a shadow cast by the raised die polish lines. The hairlines would be scratched into the surface so would look different under the light.

Dog97

I was almost in agreement with die polish but like fairlaneman said the lines go across the D & F so I see a hairlined coin, not die polish. I’m in agreement that they are not from cleaning but rather mishandling. The ST problem looks to be from a filled die.

ElKevvo

I would have to go with a combo of both die polish lines and post minting hairlines (although not necessarily due to a wipe!). In the first close up photo of the lower obverse the lines clearly run up to and not over the 'WE T" letters. Since the letters are inset on the die the polishing would not affect them unless it was very extreme ('37 D 3 Legged Buff!) and would seem to run underneath them. On the reverse the hairlining on the reverse 'D' could be due to post minting handdling.

I hope you all are having a great Thanksgiving!

K

jgrinz

Thanks for all the input guys/gals and other ...

I had picked this up off of EBAY in a third world holder for cheap money
The CAMEO strike on a '65 was too enticing to at least look at.
I of course uncoffin'd the poor thing from its NNC holder and its phantom grade of MS69 hahahahah ...

The coin looks MUCH better in hand than under camera magnification. Except for one small nic at its chin/Cheek area.

I will probably just turn the thing over back on EBAY cause I had already secured a MS68 for my SET.
If it is alright with the board members I would like to use some of your comments in the description of the coin when I post
it so as to have a pretty accurate description of possible causes of its Field issues. Any porblems with me doing that please
let me know via PM if you do not want to be quoted - it will just be a context statement possible causes
and not assigned to any one person or persons,

Thanks again



Mike