I wonder if the US Mint is going to be using more edge letters and if this will cause the TPGs to modify to holders offering clear visibility of edge lettering.
I don't mind the mottos being on the edge since it reduces the clutter on the face of the coin but I do NOT like the date and mintmark being on the edge.
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<< <i>I don't mind the mottos being on the edge since it reduces the clutter on the face of the coin but I do NOT like the date and mintmark being on the edge. >>
Same here. It's a pretty dumb idea. They could have placed even the mintmark in various locations without messing up the design.
If I was Washington and one that coin, I'd be mad too!
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I saw them a little bit ago in the local newspaper. The AP article quoted someone from the mint describing the designs as being absolutely beautiful. Absolutely beautiful? "Oh look! a head with letters around it, shear genius!" Ok I will admit that the busts are rendered nicely, but that isn't too difficult to do. Thereal test though will be how well they can translate the drawings to a three dimentional low relief image.
A bi-metal coin sure would have been nice for this series. It would have set it apart from the other failures. The only way to get Americans to use a dollar coin is to do away with the paper dollar. Sean
They all look nice. It sure looks like their is a lot of erea on the coins that will take a lot of hits. I bet high end mark free MS coins will be hard to come by.
<< <i>I don't mind the mottos being on the edge since it reduces the clutter on the face of the coin but I do NOT like the date and mintmark being on the edge. >>
It makes little sense to do this as it would be difficult to identify the mint mark in any current holder.
I wonder if the US Mint is going to be using more edge letters and if this will cause the TPGs to modify to holders offering clear visibility of edge lettering.
a PCGS holder will generally allow some of the edge to be seen if you use good lighting and angle the holder enough. there was a service a few years ago that offered a holder with the coin sittin out towards the back to view the edge but i haven't seen any. it's really a niche type of request that i doubt anyone will pick up on.
The near head-on views of the presidents will probably translate poorly to the actual coins if the current very low relief is used. Look at the 2006 Jefferson nickel obverse for a possible preview of what they will look like.
I can deal with putting EPU and IGWT on the edge. However, I am appalled that the word Liberty is removed. I do understand that the depiction of the SOL is supposed to be a sufficient representation -- yet when they made SOL commems back in 1986, the word Liberty was included, as it is on the current Platinum coins.
Having the date and MM on the edge is atrocious as well.
They look like the "coins" I used to get from the gas station when I was a kid.
These coins are not going to have the relief that gives them the depth we see in these concepts, methinks.
I wish they said LIBERTY somewhere. That's what these men fought for! It is WRONG!! We exclude LIBERTY yet maintain a LATIN motto and a phrase that was added to the coins in the 1860's, long after the founding fathers.
Look at the obverse and reverse of the Washington; now look at the edge view; now look at the obverse and reverse again. What happened to the raised edge rim that appears on the edge view but not on the obverse and reverse view
<< <i>Is it just me, or does George Washington look like he's really ticked off about something?? >>
He's thinking "Putting politicians like myself is akin to monarchies putting kings and queens on coins, and that is decidedly not what America is about - not only has my legacy been disrespected already by having my image placed on the quarter AND the dollar bill, but now it is stuck on this slug as well."
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And you are correct Amanda - omitting the word 'Liberty' adds further insult to injury.
<< <i>A bi-metal coin sure would have been nice for this series. It would have set it apart from the other failures. The only way to get Americans to use a dollar coin is to do away with the paper dollar. Sean >>
On the plus side this might get the dead presidents out of Congress's and the mint's systems.
I personally don't the public will accept the coins without doing away with the dollar bill. The coin collecting society will not accept the coins for various reasons (ie, coin composition).
I don't like the coins because they aren't worth collecting. First, the drawings appear with toning in the countenance. Will that transfer over to the actual coin design? How will it appear? Second, the US Mint will flood the market with more "collectible" coins. However, with the State Quarter program still active, it will inundate the average collector with too many "collectible" coins. Third, the coin composition. Finally, the introduction of the coin dollar will fall to the waste side much like the other coin dollars produced in the past.
<< <i>On the plus side this might get the dead presidents out of Congress's and the mint's systems. >>
And then they come up with the First Ladies series. What is next, heads of Congress? Note: If Pro is the opposite of Con, the Progress is the opposite of Congress!
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<< <i>I don't mind the mottos being on the edge since it reduces the clutter on the face of the coin but I do NOT like the date and mintmark being on the edge. >>
It makes little sense to do this as it would be difficult to identify the mint mark in any current holder. >>
This isn't true as edge lettering is prefectly legible in the Air-Tites-like holders the US Mint currently uses. Somehow I don't think the US Mint takes TPG holders into consideration when making their designs. I'm not sure how the US Mint feels about TPGs in general but I don't think they're happy about First Strike. Anyway, many countries in the world use edge lettering today, the US is just playing catch up (yes I know they did a few a while back). Holders should be designed to the coin, not the other way around.
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I sure hope they make a silver set.
Is it just me, or does George Washington look
like he's really ticked off about something??
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<< <i>I don't mind the mottos being on the edge since it reduces the clutter on the face of the coin but I do NOT like the date and mintmark being on the edge. >>
Same here. It's a pretty dumb idea. They could have placed even the mintmark in various locations without messing up the design.
If I was Washington and one that coin, I'd be mad too!
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<< <i>I don't mind the mottos being on the edge since it reduces the clutter on the face of the coin but I do NOT like the date and mintmark being on the edge. >>
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a PCGS holder will generally allow some of the edge to be seen if you use good lighting and angle the holder enough. there was a service a few years ago that offered a holder with the coin sittin out towards the back to view the edge but i haven't seen any. it's really a niche type of request that i doubt anyone will pick up on.
As long as they are making them on the material the sac dollars are made on they will look terrible.....
This birdbrain idea is going to fill up the vaults faster then Morgan Dollars did.....
Except 100 years after production nobody will want these coins.....
Having the date and MM on the edge is atrocious as well.
They look like the "coins" I used to get from the gas station when I was a kid.
They're big. They're clean. They look very Euro (and €).
They look like slot machine tokens.
They don't look American.
It's all academic, because they won't work while paper $ are still circulating.
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I wish they said LIBERTY somewhere. That's what these men fought for! It is WRONG!! We exclude LIBERTY yet maintain a LATIN motto and a phrase that was added to the coins in the 1860's, long after the founding fathers.
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THE COMPOSITION OF THE COIN, THE METAL, is JUNK KRAPP. looks like &$#^W%, tones fast 'n ugly.
That's going to be about the same amount of relief on the actual coins as well.
<< <i>Is it just me, or does George Washington look
like he's really ticked off about something?? >>
He's thinking "Putting politicians like myself is akin to monarchies putting kings and queens on coins, and that is decidedly not what America is about - not only has my legacy been disrespected already by having my image placed on the quarter AND the dollar bill, but now it is stuck on this slug as well."
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And you are correct Amanda - omitting the word 'Liberty' adds further insult to injury.
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<< <i>Is it just me, or does George Washington look
like he's really ticked off about something??
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Washington had false teeth and was self-conscious about how they looked. He was known as a man of few words for much the same reason.
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<< <i>A bi-metal coin sure would have been nice for this series. It would have set it apart from the other failures. The only way to get Americans to use a dollar coin is to do away with the paper dollar.
Sean >>
On the plus side this might get the dead presidents out of Congress's and the mint's systems.
We need a 21st Teddy Roosevelt to come in a correct our coins..... (Althought I love Barber coins)
The coin collecting society will not accept the coins for various reasons (ie, coin composition).
I don't like the coins because they aren't worth collecting.
First, the drawings appear with toning in the countenance. Will that transfer over to the actual coin design? How will it appear?
Second, the US Mint will flood the market with more "collectible" coins. However, with the State Quarter program still active, it will inundate the average collector with too many "collectible" coins.
Third, the coin composition.
Finally, the introduction of the coin dollar will fall to the waste side much like the other coin dollars produced in the past.
Just my thoughts.
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<< <i>On the plus side this might get the dead presidents out of Congress's and the mint's systems.
And then they come up with the First Ladies series. What is next, heads of Congress? Note: If Pro is the opposite of Con, the Progress is the opposite of Congress!
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<< <i>I don't mind the mottos being on the edge since it reduces the clutter on the face of the coin but I do NOT like the date and mintmark being on the edge. >>
This isn't true as edge lettering is prefectly legible in the Air-Tites-like holders the US Mint currently uses. Somehow I don't think the US Mint takes TPG holders into consideration when making their designs. I'm not sure how the US Mint feels about TPGs in general but I don't think they're happy about First Strike. Anyway, many countries in the world use edge lettering today, the US is just playing catch up (yes I know they did a few a while back). Holders should be designed to the coin, not the other way around.
<< <i>Did anybody else notice the resemblance?
I was going to say I liked that one the best!
I agree with Amanda about the Liberty, and Artist, your words are also just.
It's a shame about the relief, as I fear Robert is going to be correct.