Scott, That's a very nice 97-S XF-40...it's hard to tell from the photo's but there appears to be good wing tip separation on the right wing...not so much on the left wing tip...appears there's more wear on the left wing tip from the photo which is odd...I've generally found that wing tip degradation on the reverse will often be the deciding factor between an XF-40 and XF-45 and it's usually wear on the right wing tip that's most noticeable. For some reason on an XF-45 coin, the left wing tip is generally less disturbed than the one on the right. Also, I can't tell from the photo how prominent the LIBERTY Band is. I've found while the lower LIBERTY Band marking should be clearly marked and designated, less attention is paid to this than clear separation on both wing tips as long as LIBERTY is clearly visible and there's a trace of the lower band. What I'm trying to say is it might be an undergraded XF-40 if there's good separation on both wing tips and the lower band of LIBERTY is visible. Nonetheless, that's a very nice XF-40 and the gentleman that owns it is very lucky! And the gentleman that wins it will be blessed!
Mike, Wish I was there in Colorado Springs...we're still fighting TS Debbie here...you're not missing much in Florida! So much knowledge to consume and digest there at the Summer Seminar...I plan to attend sooner rather than later...and appreciate your updates...you're making all of us jealous!
I think what I meant is the coin looks cleaned but the photos aren't the greatest. Not harshly .. but it looks wiped .. and probably dipped .. but I could be wrong. detail is ok..
As far as grading the Barbers goes...My experience has told me the most prominent grading factor and common denominator seems to not so much be the wings, or the reverse feather detail. They seem to give more weight to the obverse.
Since almost all coins are graded with a heavier weight of the grade given to the obverse (60/40 or 70/30 split) .. I believe this applies to the Barber series as well. We collectors, know there is much more detail on the reverse and we tend to concentrate more on the reverse as there is not much to go by on the obverse (6 sided star separation and the laureate wreath and the Liberty area)
In the last few months, I have experimented trying to grade coins without seeing the grade on the various registry sets and on auction websites like Heritage, etc. I have found VF35 coins we often say/feel could easily be a 40 .. or a 40 .. the answer tends to lie in the detail directly related to the lower band of Liberty.
What I am discovering to be the separation between XF40 and 45 coins is often luster followed by a full band under Liberty ( I have yet to see a 45 coin without the full lower band and most XF40 coins have 80% of the lower band as well). Eye appeal/ Market grade rounds out the deciding factors (darker coins are much much less likely to get the XF45 grade as it is viewed as
The 1893-S XF45 coin I have has wing detail ob a VF30 but the lower band is there although parts of the letters of Liberty are weak. This is a poor example as the coin is clearly over graded in all other aspects .. this one was just flat out missed .. But the 1896-O I have has full wings and being an "O" mint, has all the pre-requisites of an easy XF40 coin ... but is graded VF35 ... No lower band but all other details strong.
I am working and doing this as I work .. I apologize if this is scatter brained .. But if you look at a bunch of coins, I think you will find this to be accurate 90+ % of the time.
Do I agree? Not at all.What does anybody/everybody else think?
I personally wouldn't go near that 97-S that you linked on ebay. I think it looks terrible as far as surfaces go. Then again, the pictures leave a lot to be desired. Regardless, it doesn't even resemble what I consider an attractive coin and the "problem free" plastic does nothing to make me feel better about it. From what I have seen, the PCGS graders are everywhere on the map with circulated Barbers in VF-XF. And they sure don't like darker toned AU's.
Scott, Well there you have it...two opposing views...nothing wrong with that...it's all in the eye of the beholder...it says a great deal about the subjectivity of this hobby...and the grading service. I couldn't tell from the photos what luster the coin brings...I think you'd have to have this coin in hand to decide if it's right for you...the photo's are of poor quality to make any decision.
Don't get down on yourself...we all face this same dilemma...I've often been surprised at the grades PCGS offers (or doesn't offer)...it really boils down to what you like and are willing to accept...and pay for.
I agree VF/XF and even AU grades are all over the place, there's very little consistency. The very nice XF45 barber half set recently linked on this thread is a perfect example. If you look at that set coin by coin you see a few VF35 coins mixed in with AU50 coins, but the majority are graded correctly or at least close. My registry set of barber quarters (Rudy's barbers) includes probably about five or six coins each that are undergraded and overgraded. But that still means the great majority (80%+), are properly graded.
Well said Doug ..Spot on and you have one great set of Quarters I have viewed them many times and you can tell how passionate you are with your comments...You .. Vern... Walt... Lenny - there are none left for the rest of us !!! HaHa
And Dave - you are right - that is what makes the hobby go around ... Based on the beautiful coins in your set, I'd be willing to bet the 97-S in the 40 holder would stand out like a sore thumb though
Dave's set of Halves is absolutely spectacular (Pelican)
I suppose if I had to pick one to cross, the 97-O ANACS XF40 or the 97-S ANACS 45 ./... it would be a hard choice, but for the sheer difficulty of the 97-O I guess I'd have to take it ... Liz & I both figured 80/20 on the 97-S to cross and 20/80 on the 97-O to cross... We were proven wrong ... And Liz is not wrong often ... 2 of my recent coins have baffled her ... I am the reverse of the King Midas touch !!!
Doug, You're absolutely right...PCGS gets it right most of the time...like you pointed out, there are some that are undergraded and some that are overgraded. Personally, I've identified 16 of the 73 coins in my collection that I would like to replace...despite the fact that they've all been graded XF-45. Perhaps I'm a little tough on myself but my standards are what they are...I will replace them eventually but I'll now have the time and patience to selectively make my decisions.
Grip, I know absolutely nothing about Barber Dimes (although I do want to know more) but I do know how to appreciate a nice coin...and you have a breathtaking gem! Thanks for sharing!
Scott, That's an awesome 97-O...would love to see your new pics...I love the patina and strike...lots of crust and evidence of age...
For all: Not to shortsell other numismatist photographers but Mark Goodman is a phenomenal numismatist photographer...I have been extremely satisfied with his work...he's done a ton of work for me and I highly recommend him if you have coins you want imaged.
Mark has a great book out on Numismatic Photography and explains it so even the least accomplished can learn and understand the techniques. I recommend that publication as it is excellent reading .. especially if you are selling at a high volume on eBay or have a large inventory.
Doug, Thank you...I think we all have it within ourselves to strive for something greater...if that's the goal. Well, perhaps I should qualify that...because when I look at my kids I'm not so convinced! Nonethesless, striving for excellence is individual and subjective...we are what we are.
Scott, thank you for the kind comments. I love your growing collection of quarters and I know you'll be able to continue to add great pieces regardless of Vern, Walt, Lenny, and myself.
Scott - Congrats on the cross of the 97-O. And don't get discouraged about your 97-S, you did well with a 50% cross rate. I'm certain I'm under that rate with crosses. I looked at that 97-S in the 40 holder on ebay and even though the pics are bad, can't imagine that hasn't been cleaned. It's at the will of the gods, and they hold all the cards. When it comes to understanding which coins will grade by our hosts or NGC, it's a learning curve that never ends.
Dave - That 12-P was whizzed? The whizzed coins I've seen had an unnatural luster that was recognizable. I wouldn't have guessed that from the pic.
LP and Doug - I agree, over a large sample of coins, it's certain that a few coins will be undergraded and a few overgraded. What I can't understand is how some obviously harshly cleaned coins get in graded holders.
Grip - Very attractive dime, thanks for showing.
Craig - Always good to see a very, very tough barber quarter.
And the answer to the 1902 half, I posted a couple of days ago:
And Scott, I agree, it could have easily been a 55.
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Vern l It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
Vern, what a gorgeous 02!! Is the reverse as nice as the obverse?
Labelman87, awesome 03-S!
Agree, lots of new stuff being displayed...now if we could only get an update from MFH in Colorado...but I'm sure he's busy drinking Mai Tai's at the hotel and pontificating about all the great coins he saw today!
Well .. 45 out of 55 coins are back.. None of the NGC Crossed Barber Halves which include a 1905-O AU53, 1909-O AU45, 99 XF45; 1905-O Quarter XF45, 1892 Quarter AU58 and a few Walking Lib Halves. They did grade all of the raw Barber Quarters I sent in except the 1898-O which we both knew was cleaned... Mostly trivial coins - a few better dates: 1893 XF40, 1894 VF35, 1895-O VF30, 1896 VF30, 1898-O Cleaned XF Det., 1900 AU50 (beautifully toned), 1900-S VF35 (they missed this one - XF40-45 any other day - will post later for opinions), 1902 AU53 (crusty and lovely), 1911 XF40 (this should have been VF35), 1911-S XF40, 1912-S VF25 (the highlight of the group?), 1914-S VG8 .. that was a throw in at that grade just to hopefully be able to sell it for more than if it were raw.
Also, they did grade about half of the raw Walkers that were sent including a 38-D in AU53, 1917-S Rev AU55, 37-S in 55, 1939 and 1946-D in 65... I had a bunch of Morgans lying around .. I had no idea the 1879-P was a condition rarity in MS65 and up (It's actually worth $300 or so in 64 .. Well this coin came out of one of those government release programs - not the GSA but another one - I completely forget .. I just remember breaking open the plastic holder "Brilliant Uncirculated" from the Philly Mint .. like 20 years ago...So back in January when Liz sent my first submission in, I had mentioned the Morgans I had to her .. I showed her the raw 1879-P and asked her if she thought it looked gem .. She struggled over it saying it was close but she felt the luster didn't jump out at you like a 65 should .. So I put it away. But I would look at it a lot .. and I was convinced it had a really good chance... So this submission had 10 Morgans including thew 1879-P ... Poetically, it was graded MS64+ .. Sorry to get off-topic!!
It is rather difficult to tell the 97-S and 97-O apart from these pictures .. iPhone pix are the best images I can muster.. They suffice , But I may be enlisting the assistance of Mr. Goodman sooner than later !
And since the 1897-P was mentioned .. here is a botched pix (Cardinal sin putting Morgans here .. I know
Your 1912-P half looks like it may have been cleaned lightly with an eraser. A family member once wanted to sell me some circulated silver dollars, but first thought he'd make them look nicer by using an eraser on them. They had the same appearance as your '12.
Cocoinut you might be right...because I saw now "drexel" lines or other marks that attributed it to being whizzed...but I'm not the grader...but an eraser might be the culprit. Thanks for your insight.
Scott, Sorry to hear about your dilemma with crossing coins...the NGC variety always enjoys a challenge from PCGS...not so much for the ANACS coins...at least that's my humble opinion. I'm still distressed at the 97-S not crossing because from all accounts and viewings it's an awesome coin and should have crossed over...one of the best representations out there. I wish I had some insight into PCGS grading but I don't...I'm just as frustrated as everyone else.
Had a very enjoyable afternoon discussing coins with Lucanus today. We live about 4 hours apart, and every so often meet halfway to look at each others newps, (and a few golden oldies). Sometimes a transaction or two occurs. What a great hobby.
Scott - That Morgan looks amazingly mark free for a Morgan. Also, interesting that none of the NGC coins crossed.
Cocoinut - I could believe an eraser.
Dave - Both sides of that 1902.
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Vern l It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
I think I may have misspoke .. The NGC crossovers are not back yet. Part of the submission was sent economy and part was sent standard. Interestingly, they both came back at the same time. However, all of the crossovers are in a separate package that Teaparty has not shipped to me yet as they were off to Baltimore. So I am waiting on the last 6 or 7 coins which will be here probably the end of next week.
If I were to guess.. And I have proven to be a horrible guesser so it will probably be the reverse of my guess, I think the ANACS AU58 Quarter will not cross; the 1906-O Half in 53 should cross. The 99 Half in 45 is 50/50 so I will say nay; the 09-O Half should be a no brainer and the 05-O Quarter in 45 I think will come back 40. There is my official prediction.
Vern- that 1902 is a beauty .. I know I said it once but it has a very pleasing look to it .. Terrific.
Dave - I feel the same way - I do not know what they see in it .. I think it may be the luster? They probably expect more of it and in a different pattern for a 45; but it is subdued under the toning .. Hard to say .. reminds me of the 93-S they called cleaned.
I'm so brain-dead I forgot I had submitted a 1902 Quarter when I bought the AU58, but I am glad I bought it as the submission came back 53. I bought a 1900 in 50 and the 1900 I submitted came back 50 .. Nothing like stocking up on the common dates.
One of my new favorite circulated cameo looking Quarters, this 1900-S came back under graded I believe - I was expecting 5 maybe 10 points higher. Darker patina punished again !!!!!
I get more confused the longer I collect. Reverse education:
Liz had their office staff send the shipment Friday and they arrived this .. Everything crossed at the same grade except the ANACS 1892 Quarter went from AU58 to AU55. The NGC 1905-O Quarter always was XF40 and crossed so it was a very positive experience all things considered. Helps to buy the coin and not the plastic but you also need to have a bit of luck on your side. I say that tongue and cheek as like has been discussed.. I do agree that PCGS gets it right probably 85-90% of the time and of course there is that 10% grey area so all things considered, they do as well as anyone can reasonably expect and continue to be considered the front runners in the industry setting the bar.
I love the look of these two halves .. The 09-O has great color and a nice strike for new Orleans. Top right corner of shield into eagle's wing is well defined and thick as are the eagle's feathers. Obverse equally strong and the color is sensational.. All original golden tan tone over deep grey/gold patina. The 06-O has intense luster and a thick golden brown tone over the obverse while the reverse is the prototypical grey dirt original - very smooth almost mark free surfaces.
The 05-O Quarter has a very low pop - only 3 in XF40 with 62 finer and 30 lower. Less than 100 coins certified by PCGS (not counting regrades and dupes).
All 3 coins former NGC coins that crossed at the exact grade.
Scott - Good to hear that everything crossed. Once in a while things go ok. Try your 97-S a couple more times and it will go too. So long as they make money.
Picked up this attractive original from Doug, when we met on Friday. Will post the other newp on the new Barber thread. Thanks again Doug.
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Brian Greer sold me a 1908-S Quarter about 4-5 months ago which looks quite similar to yours Vern. A little darker though not so much but not as much luster either ..A VF-35 .. Just noticed a typo on my previous post. The 1905-O Quarter is an XF40 cross from NGC (Not AU55 for all those wondering why it was so over-graded!)
Scott - I like the originality of your coins, and since barber quarters are my first love, especially the 05-O. PCGS called my 08-S above a 45. Doug and I both think they were pretty liberal on that grade.
Vern l It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
Okay, we haven't heard from Mike Hayes in awhile...and his experience at the ANA Summer Camp...I want to hear a status report Mike...I know you have lots of good, "learned" experience to pass on to us...we're waiting!
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Check out the new "The Mega Barber Thread - Part Two"
I was in Mike's class and it was great.
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<< <i>Okay, we haven't heard from Mike Hayes in awhile...and his experience at the ANA Summer Camp...I want to hear a status report Mike...I know you have lots of good, "learned" experience to pass on to us...we're waiting! >>
I am spending the week end with JMW & his family - doing touristy things *- my ANA report will be done once I am home next Tuesday. I will be posting it on the new Barber Thread.
(*) - As well as comparing Half sets & looking at his extensive collection...
Ok... Mega Barber Fans ... check out the ANA Barber Seminar on the Part Two Thread...
I've found a 1897-S Barber dime that has a large S struck over a small s. Unknown to date I believe. Mike enforms me it's a Barber Quarter small S that has been struck over with the correct small S. Thought you'd like to see it.
Mike...sorry how things have progressed on the Part 2 thread. I figure it is time for me to come clean so to speak as to why I don't post on the Barber Part 2 any longer.
There is a poster there that has been slamming the AU 58 market! Guess what...he is right up there with most of us paying the mega bucks! Not a good way to sway the market and done to try and run off competiton in my opinion.
That poster also came crying to the forum when a deal went sour for opinions! That casual phone conversation was a text message offering the coin. The deal was done and almost 10 minutes passed before it sold on ebay. I understand worries about ebay reputations...but to come here and tell a 1/2 truth to sway people to his side was total crap! Takes about 30 seconds to end a coin on ebay with an Iphone...which we both used. A friendship was destroyed by selling a coin to a stranger on ebay when it was sold with plenty of time to end the auction.
Until that poster wants to come clean...I will not participate in any topic he does. I am a straight shooter and do not conduct my life and realationships with people in this manner. The funny part is a wee bit more of I made a mistake etc. and I would have been fine with the coin being sold to the ebayer(who was Don Bonzer BTW). He needed a bit of pressure put on him for a lesson learned In my opinion. 5 minutes after I put a little pressure on him it was posted on the forum!
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That's a very nice 97-S XF-40...it's hard to tell from the photo's but there appears to be good wing tip separation on the right wing...not so much on the left wing tip...appears there's more wear on the left wing tip from the photo which is odd...I've generally found that wing tip degradation on the reverse will often be the deciding factor between an XF-40 and XF-45 and it's usually wear on the right wing tip that's most noticeable. For some reason on an XF-45 coin, the left wing tip is generally less disturbed than the one on the right. Also, I can't tell from the photo how prominent the LIBERTY Band is. I've found while the lower LIBERTY Band marking should be clearly marked and designated, less attention is paid to this than clear separation on both wing tips as long as LIBERTY is clearly visible and there's a trace of the lower band. What I'm trying to say is it might be an undergraded XF-40 if there's good separation on both wing tips and the lower band of LIBERTY is visible. Nonetheless, that's a very nice XF-40 and the gentleman that owns it is very lucky! And the gentleman that wins it will be blessed!
Wish I was there in Colorado Springs...we're still fighting TS Debbie here...you're not missing much in Florida! So much knowledge to consume and digest there at the Summer Seminar...I plan to attend sooner rather than later...and appreciate your updates...you're making all of us jealous!
As far as grading the Barbers goes...My experience has told me the most prominent grading factor and common denominator seems to not so much be the wings, or the reverse feather detail. They seem to give more weight to the obverse.
Since almost all coins are graded with a heavier weight of the grade given to the obverse (60/40 or 70/30 split) .. I believe this applies to the Barber series as well. We collectors, know there is much more detail on the reverse and we tend to concentrate more on the reverse as there is not much to go by on the obverse (6 sided star separation and the laureate wreath and the Liberty area)
In the last few months, I have experimented trying to grade coins without seeing the grade on the various registry sets and on auction websites like Heritage, etc. I have found VF35 coins we often say/feel could easily be a 40 .. or a 40 .. the answer tends to lie in the detail directly related to the lower band of Liberty.
What I am discovering to be the separation between XF40 and 45 coins is often luster followed by a full band under Liberty ( I have yet to see a 45 coin without the full lower band and most XF40 coins have 80% of the lower band as well). Eye appeal/ Market grade rounds out the deciding factors (darker coins are much much less likely to get the XF45 grade as it is viewed as
The 1893-S XF45 coin I have has wing detail ob a VF30 but the lower band is there although parts of the letters of Liberty are weak. This is a poor example as the coin is clearly over graded in all other aspects .. this one was just flat out missed .. But the 1896-O I have has full wings and being an "O" mint, has all the pre-requisites of an easy XF40 coin ... but is graded VF35 ... No lower band but all other details strong.
I am working and doing this as I work .. I apologize if this is scatter brained .. But if you look at a bunch of coins, I think you will find this to be accurate 90+ % of the time.
Do I agree? Not at all.What does anybody/everybody else think?
<< <i>I thought I was on an island with that thought LP ..
Absolutely not. Maybe we are in the minority.
Well there you have it...two opposing views...nothing wrong with that...it's all in the eye of the beholder...it says a great deal about the subjectivity of this hobby...and the grading service. I couldn't tell from the photos what luster the coin brings...I think you'd have to have this coin in hand to decide if it's right for you...the photo's are of poor quality to make any decision.
Don't get down on yourself...we all face this same dilemma...I've often been surprised at the grades PCGS offers (or doesn't offer)...it really boils down to what you like and are willing to accept...and pay for.
you see a few VF35 coins mixed in with AU50 coins, but the majority are graded correctly or at least close. My registry set of barber quarters (Rudy's barbers) includes probably about five or six coins each that are
undergraded and overgraded. But that still means the great majority (80%+), are properly graded.
Doug
And Dave - you are right - that is what makes the hobby go around ... Based on the beautiful coins in your set, I'd be willing to bet the 97-S in the 40 holder would stand out like a sore thumb though
Dave's set of Halves is absolutely spectacular (Pelican)
I suppose if I had to pick one to cross, the 97-O ANACS XF40 or the 97-S ANACS 45 ./... it would be a hard choice, but for the sheer difficulty of the 97-O I guess I'd have to take it ... Liz & I both figured 80/20 on the 97-S to cross and 20/80 on the 97-O to cross... We were proven wrong ... And Liz is not wrong often ... 2 of my recent coins have baffled her ... I am the reverse of the King Midas touch !!!
Love it!
You're absolutely right...PCGS gets it right most of the time...like you pointed out, there are some that are undergraded and some that are overgraded. Personally, I've identified 16 of the 73 coins in my collection that I would like to replace...despite the fact that they've all been graded XF-45. Perhaps I'm a little tough on myself but my standards are what they are...I will replace them eventually but I'll now have the time and patience to selectively make my decisions.
Grip,
I know absolutely nothing about Barber Dimes (although I do want to know more) but I do know how to appreciate a nice coin...and you have a breathtaking gem! Thanks for sharing!
Scott,
That's an awesome 97-O...would love to see your new pics...I love the patina and strike...lots of crust and evidence of age...
For all: Not to shortsell other numismatist photographers but Mark Goodman is a phenomenal numismatist photographer...I have been extremely satisfied with his work...he's done a ton of work for me and I highly recommend him if you have coins you want imaged.
Doug
Thank you...I think we all have it within ourselves to strive for something greater...if that's the goal. Well, perhaps I should qualify that...because when I look at my kids I'm not so convinced! Nonethesless, striving for excellence is individual and subjective...we are what we are.
Doug
Congratulations to all.
Sorry about the poor photo.
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Thanks everyone, as requested, I have started a new thread due to this one sticking so frequently.
Barber Mega Thread - Part 2
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Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !
New Barber Purchases
I've never had an issue with this thread sticking...maybe if I participated [more] it would slow me down
Dave - That 12-P was whizzed? The whizzed coins I've seen had an unnatural luster that was recognizable. I wouldn't have guessed that from the pic.
LP and Doug - I agree, over a large sample of coins, it's certain that a few coins will be undergraded and a few overgraded. What I can't understand is how some obviously harshly cleaned coins get in graded holders.
Grip - Very attractive dime, thanks for showing.
Craig - Always good to see a very, very tough barber quarter.
And the answer to the 1902 half, I posted a couple of days ago:
And Scott, I agree, it could have easily been a 55.
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Labelman87, awesome 03-S!
Agree, lots of new stuff being displayed...now if we could only get an update from MFH in Colorado...but I'm sure he's busy drinking Mai Tai's at the hotel and pontificating about all the great coins he saw today!
Also, they did grade about half of the raw Walkers that were sent including a 38-D in AU53, 1917-S Rev AU55, 37-S in 55, 1939 and 1946-D in 65... I had a bunch of Morgans lying around .. I had no idea the 1879-P was a condition rarity in MS65 and up (It's actually worth $300 or so in 64 .. Well this coin came out of one of those government release programs - not the GSA but another one - I completely forget .. I just remember breaking open the plastic holder "Brilliant Uncirculated" from the Philly Mint .. like 20 years ago...So back in January when Liz sent my first submission in, I had mentioned the Morgans I had to her .. I showed her the raw 1879-P and asked her if she thought it looked gem .. She struggled over it saying it was close but she felt the luster didn't jump out at you like a 65 should .. So I put it away. But I would look at it a lot .. and I was convinced it had a really good chance... So this submission had 10 Morgans including thew 1879-P ... Poetically, it was graded MS64+ .. Sorry to get off-topic!!
It is rather difficult to tell the 97-S and 97-O apart from these pictures .. iPhone pix are the best images I can muster.. They suffice , But I may be enlisting the assistance of Mr. Goodman sooner than later !
And since the 1897-P was mentioned .. here is a botched pix (Cardinal sin putting Morgans here .. I know
Your 1912-P half looks like it may have been cleaned lightly with an eraser. A family member once wanted to sell me some circulated silver dollars, but first thought he'd make them look nicer by using an eraser on them. They had the same appearance as your '12.
Jim
Sorry to hear about your dilemma with crossing coins...the NGC variety always enjoys a challenge from PCGS...not so much for the ANACS coins...at least that's my humble opinion. I'm still distressed at the 97-S not crossing because from all accounts and viewings it's an awesome coin and should have crossed over...one of the best representations out there. I wish I had some insight into PCGS grading but I don't...I'm just as frustrated as everyone else.
Scott - That Morgan looks amazingly mark free for a Morgan. Also, interesting that none of the NGC coins crossed.
Cocoinut - I could believe an eraser.
Dave - Both sides of that 1902.
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It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
If I were to guess.. And I have proven to be a horrible guesser so it will probably be the reverse of my guess, I think the ANACS AU58 Quarter will not cross; the 1906-O Half in 53 should cross. The 99 Half in 45 is 50/50 so I will say nay; the 09-O Half should be a no brainer and the 05-O Quarter in 45 I think will come back 40. There is my official prediction.
Dave - I feel the same way - I do not know what they see in it .. I think it may be the luster? They probably expect more of it and in a different pattern for a 45; but it is subdued under the toning .. Hard to say .. reminds me of the 93-S they called cleaned.
I'm so brain-dead I forgot I had submitted a 1902 Quarter when I bought the AU58, but I am glad I bought it as the submission came back 53. I bought a 1900 in 50 and the 1900 I submitted came back 50 .. Nothing like stocking up on the common dates.
One of my new favorite circulated cameo looking Quarters, this 1900-S came back under graded I believe - I was expecting 5 maybe 10 points higher. Darker patina punished again !!!!!
I get more confused the longer I collect. Reverse education:
It was a fun afternoon, always great to get together. Our next meeting needs to last longer. Thanks again!
Doug
Newps:
1892 AU55 25c
1905-O AU55 25c
1899 XF45 50c (dupe)
1906-O AU53 50c
1909-O XF45 50c
1946-D MS65 50c (ANACS cross)
The 05-O Quarter has a very low pop - only 3 in XF40 with 62 finer and 30 lower. Less than 100 coins certified by PCGS (not counting regrades and dupes).
All 3 coins former NGC coins that crossed at the exact grade.
Picked up this attractive original from Doug, when we met on Friday. Will post the other newp on the new Barber thread. Thanks again Doug.
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Great looking coins...the 09-O is gorgeous and love the patina on the 06-O...good eye!
Vern,
Love the 08-S quarter...great hues and tint...fine looking specimen!
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It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
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Check out the new "The Mega Barber Thread - Part Two"
I was in Mike's class and it was great.
Life member of ANA
<< <i>Okay, we haven't heard from Mike Hayes in awhile...and his experience at the ANA Summer Camp...I want to hear a status report Mike...I know you have lots of good, "learned" experience to pass on to us...we're waiting!
I am spending the week end with JMW & his family - doing touristy things *- my ANA report will be done once I am home next Tuesday.
I will be posting it on the new Barber Thread.
(*) - As well as comparing Half sets & looking at his extensive collection...
Ok... Mega Barber Fans ... check out the ANA Barber Seminar on the Part Two Thread...
Link to the ANA Summer Seminar Report
See The Barber Mega Thread, Part II
This Thread keeps sticking... Guess there are too many images.
# 5,393 = number of posts on this thread.
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Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !
New Barber Purchases
Mike enforms me it's a Barber Quarter small S that has been struck over with the correct small S.
Thought you'd like to see it.
Always more to know!
Always more to know!
Always more to know!
I am glad this thread was resurrected ... I was sorry it was deleted from my first post on Barber Thread 2.
I hope all newbies read and enjoy this thread as much as I had, and having a small hand in its creation and growth.
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Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !
New Barber Purchases
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Craig
There is a poster there that has been slamming the AU 58 market! Guess what...he is right up there with most of us paying the mega bucks! Not a good way to sway the market and done to try and run off competiton in my opinion.
That poster also came crying to the forum when a deal went sour for opinions! That casual phone conversation was a text message offering the coin. The deal was done and almost 10 minutes passed before it sold on ebay. I understand worries about ebay reputations...but to come here and tell a 1/2 truth to sway people to his side was total crap! Takes about 30 seconds to end a coin on ebay with an Iphone...which we both used. A friendship was destroyed by selling a coin to a stranger on ebay when it was sold with plenty of time to end the auction.
Until that poster wants to come clean...I will not participate in any topic he does. I am a straight shooter and do not conduct my life and realationships with people in this manner. The funny part is a wee bit more of I made a mistake etc. and I would have been fine with the coin being sold to the ebayer(who was Don Bonzer BTW). He needed a bit of pressure put on him for a lesson learned In my opinion. 5 minutes after I put a little pressure on him it was posted on the forum!