Jeter wins another meaningless award...as does Cano
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Yup, thats right...now all the Jeter haters can talk about Jeter winning his meaningless Silver Slugger award! I guess they will give that to anyone, eh!? 
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Congrats to Jeter
Wake me up when the mvp awards are handed out...these are meaningless.
<< <i>Yes, everyone looks up to see how many silver slugger awards are won.
Wake me up when the mvp awards are handed out...these are meaningless. >>
The MVP of the A.L. this past season should be Morneau! But you know who will get it!
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<< <i>I guess Morneau didn't get much help from Torii having a career year, or the batting title holding Joe Mauer? >>
I guess jeter didn't get much help from an all-star lineup around him either, did he?
<< <i>I guess Morneau didn't get much help from Torii having a career year, or the batting title holding Joe Mauer? >>
Um, OK, and Jeter did it ALL on his own also!
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Um, OK, and Jeter did it ALL on his own also! >>
What a silly silly arguement. So, with this thought process ... the MVP should be handed out only to a guy from a crap a$$ lineup and team that offers him zero protection in the lineup? This "arguement" is endless and nearly as baseless as the whole "lineup protection" debate.
Bottom line is that its just a lazy and all to easy excuse for the Jeter hater.
have fun with this one fellas!
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Um, OK, and Jeter did it ALL on his own also! >>
What a silly silly arguement. So, with this thought process ... the MVP should be handed out only to a guy from a crap a$$ lineup and team that offers him zero protection in the lineup? This "arguement" is endless and nearly as baseless as the whole "lineup protection" debate.
Bottom line is that its just a lazy and all to easy excuse for the Jeter hater.
have fun with this one fellas!
Or the fact that Morneau hit almost twice as many homers, got 30+ more RBIs, did not hit much lower than Jeter, and Jeter had a few more stolen bases! RBIs in my book equate better than a SB! I never said I hated Jeter, that is how those who love him feel about those who have indifferent opinions about him!
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topps started the whole lineup protection thing...please give credit where it's due.
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topps started the whole lineup protection thing...please give credit where it's due. >>
In THIS thread ..... don't convienently forget that you are a huge proponent of this flawed theory.
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<< <i>hardcore ..... Jeter is a TWO hitter. You want to lambast a # friggen TWO hitter for his RBI and HR total? Have at it
I am not lambasting anyone, I only feel Morneau was much better this past season! The Yankees scored 930 runs this past season, 60 more than the #2 team, and the Twins only scored 801, so to myself, seems like Jeter would have and should have had just as many, if not more chances to knock some in!
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<< <i>softy-
topps started the whole lineup protection thing...please give credit where it's due. >>
In THIS thread ..... don't convienently forget that you are a huge proponent of this flawed theory. >>
Flawed perhaps, but I can't help but believe a hitter in front of Giambi, Arod, Sheffield, and the like is going to see significantly better pitches to hit than a lineup of nobodies behind him. Granted, he still has to hit, but the pitches (I believe) are going to be better.
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I am not lambasting anyone, I only feel Morneau was much better this past season! ! >>
You are not alone. Morneau had a great season. He is probably just as worthy as any other MVP candidate. (Including Jeter)
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I am not lambasting anyone, I only feel Morneau was much better this past season! ! >>
You are not alone. Morneau had a great season. He is probably just as worthy as any other MVP candidate. (Including Jeter) >>
Then why must you say that I am lambasting a player that you think I hate, if I am not the only one who thinks Morneau is just as worthy of the MVP?
<< <i> Then why must you say that I am lambasting a player that you think I hate, if I am not the only one who thinks Morneau is just as worthy of the MVP? >>
Because you use the same old, tired, and flawed theories that 99.9% of NY/Derek Jeter haters use. (Whether you hate him or not)The lineup, the media exposure, etc. Who is to say that Morneau does not benefit GREATLY from that nasty turf? Those routine ground balls that fly through the infield .... that leads to average inflation? See, those are the kind of things that you guys use to try and bring Jeter down.
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<< <i> Then why must you say that I am lambasting a player that you think I hate, if I am not the only one who thinks Morneau is just as worthy of the MVP? >>
Because you use the same old, tired, and flawed theories that 99.9% of NY/Derek Jeter haters use. (Whether you hate him or not)The lineup, the media exposure, etc. Who is to say that Morneau does not benefit GREATLY from that nasty turf? Those routine ground balls that fly through the infield .... that leads to average inflation? See, those are the kind of things that you guys use to try and bring Jeter down. >>
Not to hijack this thread, but I remember a few months ago, I made an argument that Jack Morris should be in the HOF. People said his 3.90 career ERA would hurt him, and I made the argument that he played in a well known, hitter friendly park! So from what I hear about the non factors in his situation should be the same today with this argument concerning Jeter! Also in this case, Kirby Puckett should not be in the HOF either, because many of his hits were hit on the OLD turf, that was like cement!
Also, how many guys on second base would be stopped from scoring on a base hit to the outfield, when played on a turf? You know, since the ball would roll faster to an outfielder! Suppose Morneau would have had quite a few more RBIs, if he played on a natural turf! Again, 30+ more RBIs is much better IMO than 20 points higher in batting average!
Do yourself a favor and stop formulating the same old bung for a guy like Jeter while at the same time getting all up in arms when the tables are turned on your boys.
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<< <i>sigh ..... core ... I brought up the "turf" thing as an example of what a cynic would tell you. The same CRAP that you guys use formulating reasons why Derek Jeter does not deserve ANYTHING. Nowhere did I say this was MY OPINION.
Do yourself a favor and stop formulating the same old bung for a guy like Jeter while at the same time getting all up in arms when the tables are turned on your boys. >>
I never said Jeter does not deserve anything! If you can formulate bung for a reason someone cannot be as good or better than Jeter, then the same bung can be formulated to prove why they are! Morneau is not my boy either, just think he had a better season than Jeter!
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<< <i>Silver Slugger? WTF is that? I had to Google it just to figure out what it was. >>
Not suprising since you don't seem to know much about MLB.
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<< <i>Silver Slugger? WTF is that? I had to Google it just to figure out what it was. >>
LMAO
C'mon Jerry! How long have you been following baseball??? You're going to say this even with Ortiz and Ramirez getting the same honors?
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Um, OK, and Jeter did it ALL on his own also! >>
What a silly silly arguement. So, with this thought process ... the MVP should be handed out only to a guy from a crap a$$ lineup and team that offers him zero protection in the lineup? This "arguement" is endless and nearly as baseless as the whole "lineup protection" debate.
Bottom line is that its just a lazy and all to easy excuse for the Jeter hater.
have fun with this one fellas!
This is why my MVP is David Dejesus on the Royals (tongue firmly in cheek)
I found it interesting that Joe Crede won the SS for the 3rd base pos. beating out A-Rod. A-Rod had better stats across the board then Crede yet those voting took into account how clutch he was.
Steve
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<< <i>Silver Slugger? WTF is that? I had to Google it just to figure out what it was. >>
LMAO
C'mon Jerry! How long have you been following baseball??? You're going to say this even with Ortiz and Ramirez getting the same honors? >>
I was being sarcastic - guess that didn't come off well in my post. Yes, Manny has won this something like 9 years in a row - I always thought it was a hitter/slugger type award. Now that Jeter has one, who knows what it really is for. (Sarcasm again.)