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Biggio to re-sign with 'Stros

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Per the Houston Chronicle, Biggio will sign a 1-year, $5M contract at any moment. He is only 70 hits shy of 3,000 and should pass this milestone around the all-star game.

I'm proud of the organization getting it done and not allowing this 1st ballot HOF to even file for free agency image
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  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Great news for Stro's fans and baseball in general. he is a great guy.

    Steve
    Good for you.
  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭
    Dotted line about to be signed image

    70 hits away from 3,000 and 19 home runs away from 300.

    Both milestones should be passed this year which will only cement his status as a 1st ballot HOFer image
    So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
  • kcballboykcballboy Posts: 1,405 ✭✭✭
    Hey Stown,

    What's the world on Bagwell? I can only assume he's probably done but I don't hear much about it up here.
    Travis
  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Hey Stown,

    What's the world on Bagwell? I can only assume he's probably done but I don't hear much about it up here. >>



    The 'Stros have offered him a personal service contract but he wants to see if an AL team will pick him up as a DH. It would absolutely kill me to see him in another uniform but it's a unique situation... He can't play in the NL ever again image

    He's a fierce competitor and doesn't want to accept the fact that his shoulder is toast. He can't play the field , not even at 1st, and his swing is a shell of it's former self. Even if you can sign him at a discount, he refuses to accept a PH role.

    He's a questionable HOFer to some but he's already there in my eyes image
    So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
  • hardcorehockeyfanhardcorehockeyfan Posts: 573
    He is a HOFer in my eyes also. Puckett did not actually have HOF numbers so to speak, but he got in, if not for his stats, but because people genuinely liked him and he "would have" had the stats if he could play more than his eye would allow. Most people would roll over and give up, but Bags did not, so if he cannot catch on somewhere, he still deserves to be in the Hall!
  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭
    Don't see Bagwell ever getting in.

    No home run titles (only 4 top 5 finishes in a 15 year career), a single MVP, no batting titles, one RBI title, just four all star appearances.

    A very nice career, but never dominated, and surely didn't dominate for any period of time.


    Biggio will get in because he was at the top of his contemporaries at his position - which is exactly what a hall of famer should be. One who was the best at the position he played. The same reason Edgar Martinez will be voted in.
  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Don't see Bagwell ever getting in.

    No home run titles (only 4 top 5 finishes in a 15 year career), a single MVP, no batting titles, one RBI title, just four all star appearances. >>



    Thank you so much.

    With that post, you just proved a point of mine.

    You can't judge a player based on stats, only.

    That is EXACTLY what you just did.

    Skim the stats, form an opinion, and then stick with it.

    Thank you again image
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  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭
    Thank you for proving you have no objectivity.



    << <i>You can't judge a player based on stats, only. >>



    This is your only defense for Biggio getting in: 'he's going to have 3000 hits! he's going to have 300 HRs!'

    /sigh

  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Thank you for proving you have no objectivity.



    << <i>You can't judge a player based on stats, only. >>



    This is your only defense for Biggio getting in: 'he's going to have 3000 hits! he's going to have 300 HRs!'

    /sigh >>



    Sigh is right.

    Congrats on starting another flame war.

    However, I'm putting it right now.

    That's my only defense, huh?

    We already had this debate and you got schooled like a little girl. Remember this thread or perhaps this thread?

    Stop provoking wars that you will not win.
    So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭
    No one's provoking a war.

    Bagwell's name was brought up and I contributed to the conversation. Sorry that you can't handle criticism.

    Bagwell will be going to the hall of fame - when he buys a ticket.
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,694 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Biggio will be in the HOF without a doubt. If he gets to 3,000 hits as expected he will be first ballot, too.


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  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Not sure if this is fact, but, I remember reading a few years back that vested major league ballplayers ( that is guys that get pensions) get a lifetime free pass into the Hall.


    Steve
    Good for you.
  • DarinDarin Posts: 7,086 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Biggio has scored a very patriotic 1776 runs. He's a great American.
  • dallasactuarydallasactuary Posts: 4,335 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>A very nice career, but never dominated, and surely didn't dominate for any period of time. >>



    Yes, which is why no AL players from the 1920's or 1930's besides Babe Ruth or Lou Gehrig belong in the HOF. Oh wait, several others do belong and that "dominated" stuff was just an extremely silly thing to say. Bagwell was the second best hitter, behind Bonds, in the NL over the course of his 15-year career. No, he was not able to "dominate" Barry Bonds; but that is an absurd standard for HOF induction.

    Unfortunately, it is an absurdity that is epidemic not only among fans but among HOF voters and sports writers, too. Which is why every Astro who played in the Dome - every single one - was better than 99 out of 100 people think they were. Bagwell is one of the best 50 hitters to ever play the game, and an exceptionally good first baseman; there is no conceivable counter-argument against his induction - except for steroids.

    Which is where the question of Bagwell's induction will be decided. If the concensus is that he was clean, or the concensus develops to just ignore the issue entirely, then there is no intelligent argument against his induction.
    This is for you @thisistheshow - Jim Rice was actually a pretty good player.
  • EstilEstil Posts: 7,058 ✭✭✭✭
    3000 hits has always meant a first ballot HOF election (at least for the past 30 years or so), why should Mr. Biggio be any different? And Houston, don't forget to retire his number (and his 20 year old dirty batting helmet) during his last home game once he is done playing. image
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  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>A very nice career, but never dominated, and surely didn't dominate for any period of time. >>



    Yes, which is why no AL players from the 1920's or 1930's besides Babe Ruth or Lou Gehrig belong in the HOF. Oh wait, several others do belong and that "dominated" stuff was just an extremely silly thing to say. Bagwell was the second best hitter, behind Bonds, in the NL over the course of his 15-year career. No, he was not able to "dominate" Barry Bonds; but that is an absurd standard for HOF induction.

    Unfortunately, it is an absurdity that is epidemic not only among fans but among HOF voters and sports writers, too. Which is why every Astro who played in the Dome - every single one - was better than 99 out of 100 people think they were. Bagwell is one of the best 50 hitters to ever play the game, and an exceptionally good first baseman; there is no conceivable counter-argument against his induction - except for steroids.

    Which is where the question of Bagwell's induction will be decided. If the concensus is that he was clean, or the concensus develops to just ignore the issue entirely, then there is no intelligent argument against his induction. >>



    image

    To make a blind assertion that Bagwell used steriods just shows that they have absolutely nothing of substance to offer. There isn't one single case of degenerative shoulder disease which was caused by steriods.

    I don't see him being a first ballot, which may end up being a good thing. If Biggo retires at the end of this season, it would be special for them to get in at the same time image
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  • bags05bags05 Posts: 93


    << <i>

    << <i>A very nice career, but never dominated, and surely didn't dominate for any period of time. >>



    Yes, which is why no AL players from the 1920's or 1930's besides Babe Ruth or Lou Gehrig belong in the HOF. Oh wait, several others do belong and that "dominated" stuff was just an extremely silly thing to say. Bagwell was the second best hitter, behind Bonds, in the NL over the course of his 15-year career. No, he was not able to "dominate" Barry Bonds; but that is an absurd standard for HOF induction.

    Unfortunately, it is an absurdity that is epidemic not only among fans but among HOF voters and sports writers, too. Which is why every Astro who played in the Dome - every single one - was better than 99 out of 100 people think they were. Bagwell is one of the best 50 hitters to ever play the game, and an exceptionally good first baseman; there is no conceivable counter-argument against his induction - except for steroids.

    Which is where the question of Bagwell's induction will be decided. If the concensus is that he was clean, or the concensus develops to just ignore the issue entirely, then there is no intelligent argument against his induction. >>



    What a great post! I agree 100%. If he was clean, he's definitely in.
  • MantleMarisFordBerraMantleMarisFordBerra Posts: 1,701 ✭✭✭
    Bagwell one of the 50 best hitters ever? I don't think so!







  • dallasactuarydallasactuary Posts: 4,335 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Bagwell one of the 50 best hitters ever? I don't think so! >>



    99 out of 100 people probably don't think so, either; or rather, don't realize it. But he was, and easily so; I think he's probably closer to 30th than 50th.

    I would challenge anyone to try to name 50 who are better but I won't, because somebody would list George Sisler or Jim Rice and it would just make me weep.
    This is for you @thisistheshow - Jim Rice was actually a pretty good player.
  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Bagwell one of the 50 best hitters ever? I don't think so! >>



    I've been a Bags fan since day 1. Battling Cammy at 3rd in spring training and eventually moving over to first so both could be in the line-up. That unorthodox swing which either went over the fences or fell into the gap for a clean hit. He was feared by every NL pitcher out there for years... And gosh, in 1994, I've never, ever seen a year like that. I mean, he just absolutely CRUSHED the ball.

    But since you don't think so, he must not be all that.

    Thanks for helping me see the light.

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  • gregmo32gregmo32 Posts: 2,648 ✭✭✭
    Interesting opinions on Bagwell. I have always wondered how different the perception of him would be if the 1994 season had played out and he would have kept fairly close to the pace he was on.
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  • gregmo32gregmo32 Posts: 2,648 ✭✭✭
    I actually just went and pulled up Bagwell's career stats. I am surprised at the difference between my recollection of his career and the actual data. Just looking at numbers, without any frame of reference other than the history of baseball (ignoring the usual "questions" about this era), Bagwell was much better than I recall.
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  • dallasactuarydallasactuary Posts: 4,335 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I actually just went and pulled up Bagwell's career stats. I am surprised at the difference between my recollection of his career and the actual data. Just looking at numbers, without any frame of reference other than the history of baseball (ignoring the usual "questions" about this era), Bagwell was much better than I recall. >>



    Bagwell has the 35th best slugging% and 44th best OBP of all time. His road numbers would place him 22nd and 23rd, respectively - in a virtual tie with Stan Musial in both cases - to give you some idea of what a drag the Astrodome was on his career numbers. It is only the "questions" about his era that could possibly prevent him from being considered one of the all-time greats.
    This is for you @thisistheshow - Jim Rice was actually a pretty good player.
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  • kcballboykcballboy Posts: 1,405 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Interesting opinions on Bagwell. I have always wondered how different the perception of him would be if the 1994 season had played out and he would have kept fairly close to the pace he was on. >>



    He wouldn't have kept pace because if I remember correctly he broke his hand when hit by a pitch a few days before the strike.
    Travis
  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Interesting opinions on Bagwell. I have always wondered how different the perception of him would be if the 1994 season had played out and he would have kept fairly close to the pace he was on. >>



    He wouldn't have kept pace because if I remember correctly he broke his hand when hit by a pitch a few days before the strike. >>



    You are correct.
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