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Rotated Die 150-deg Two-cent

DieClashDieClash Posts: 3,688 ✭✭✭
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I recently acquired an 1864 Two cent coin in VG condition with approximately 150 degree counter-clockwise die rotation. I expect this is a somewhat common error, but it should command a premium with such extreme rotation. Can anyone provide some insight into this coin's scarcity and approximate value?

The pictures are not the greatest quality but they do depict the degree of rotation of the reverse relative to the obverse pretty accurately.

Thanks,

Kirk

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  • RichieURichRichieURich Posts: 8,567 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The 1864 two cent piece has a lot of rotated reverses, to the point that there is practically no premium for the rotation. Even a 180 degree rotation coin, which is the most desirable rotation, could be bought for no or a very small premium. The 1865 three cent nickel also has a lot of rotated reverses, but not quite as many as the 1864 two center. Sorry to burst your bubble.

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  • DieClashDieClash Posts: 3,688 ✭✭✭


    << <i>The 1864 two cent piece has a lot of rotated reverses, to the point that there is practically no premium for the rotation. Even a 180 degree rotation coin, which is the most desirable rotation, could be bought for no or a very small premium. The 1865 three cent nickel also has a lot of rotated reverses, but not quite as many as the 1864 two center. Sorry to burst your bubble. >>



    Not burstin' my bubble. I paid $13 for it before I discovered the rotated die error. If there were a premium, I was going to compensate the seller. Thanks for the info. though.
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  • RichieURichRichieURich Posts: 8,567 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Cool! I was afraid you had put out some major bucks for it. Glad you didn't. I don't remember exactly, but I have one and I think I paid about what you did, from a dealer who knew it was rotated and knew there were a ton of them around.

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  • DieClashDieClash Posts: 3,688 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Cool! I was afraid you had put out some major bucks for it. Glad you didn't. I don't remember exactly, but I have one and I think I paid about what you did, from a dealer who knew it was rotated and knew there were a ton of them around. >>



    Man that's one honest dealer! If you can remember who it was, please share. I'd be glad to do business with him or her. image
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  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,897 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nifty, even if it ain't worth a premium.

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  • MyqqyMyqqy Posts: 9,777 ✭
    I wish morgans had those types of rotated dies!! image
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  • FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 5,930 ✭✭✭✭✭
    They do......

    One of the most common is the
    1878-CC, with rotated reverses
    anywhere from 35 to 120 or so....

    They bring good premiums because
    they're Morgans, and especially
    because they're CC's....but they
    are "relatively" easy to find......
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  • RotatedRainbowsRotatedRainbows Posts: 2,085 ✭✭
    The 1864 Two Cent piece is in a battle with the 1807 Large Cent as the most common US coins available with rotated dies and neither really carry any premium, it is actually harder to find a 1807 Large cent without rotation then it is with. If that two cent piece is pictured correctly the rotation is 160° counter clockwise. As for Morgans there are 11 dates currently known with major die rotation of 90° or more (and many others with minor rotation) but be careful if you run across a 1896 Morgan with rotated dies as it is most likely counterfeit. I have seen a number of the fake 96's but have never seen or heard of a real one with rotated dies.
  • dorkkarldorkkarl Posts: 12,691 ✭✭✭
    yep, this date is notorious for wildly rotated dies. so is the 1864 indian head cent

    K S
  • DieClashDieClash Posts: 3,688 ✭✭✭


    << <i>... If that two cent piece is pictured correctly the rotation is 160° counter clockwise... >>



    It is at least 150° but not more than 155°. I don't have a tripod for the camera, so when I flipped the coin on its horizontal axis and snapped the reverse photo it exaggerated the rotation a bit. But the pics do show the relative degree of rotation pretty well.
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  • BikingnutBikingnut Posts: 3,429 ✭✭✭✭
    Here's mine. It was graded PCGS AU58, but is now in my Dansco 7070. It's rotated almost 180 degrees, but I got it for about what a normal AU58 goes for.

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    I think they are so common, that there isn't much of a premium.

    Dennis
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  • DieClashDieClash Posts: 3,688 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Here's mine. It was graded PCGS AU58, but is now in my Dansco 7070. It's rotated almost 180 degrees, but I got it for about what a normal AU58 goes for.

    I think they are so common, that there isn't much of a premium.

    Dennis >>



    Nice coin Dennis! image Hard to believe that a 180º rotation error doesn't command much of a premium! image

    But does anyone have a theory as to why this error is so common with the 1864 2-cent coin? image
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