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You throw some coins in a trunk, then place the trunk in the attic for the sole purpose of toning the coins. After a couple of years, you go up to the attic, dig the trunk out, and open it to find some knock out toned coins. Are the coins AT?
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Dennis
Looking for PCGS AU58 Washington's, 32-63.
Isn't all toning AT technically speaking? Coins are not naturally colored, so anything that happens post-mint, has to be AT, whether it happens "naturally" intentionally or accidentally.
The Statue of Liberty is green. Copper is red/brown. Is she AT or NT?
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NT or not, if they look AT then they won't be "market acceptable". End of story!
I throw some blast white coins in a trunk, place them in my attic and leave them there a few years.
Upon retreiving them, they are all heavily toned.
But by then, collecting interests have changed again, and everybody wants blast white coins again.
Ray
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<< <i>You throw a thousand white Morgans into a canvas bag, put them in a vault in the basement for decades and later find that you have some very attractiely toned silver dallars. Are they AT or NT?
Dennis >>
That would be NT. You didn't put them in the bag for the purpose of toning them.
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I think ACCELERATING the process is the deciding factor; as in direct exposure to high levels of chemical and or baking them.
How many people bought Wayte-Raymond books to tone their coins beautifully? Are these AT coins? I think not.
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<< <i>If you throw the coins in the trunk with the express purpose of toning them, and store them in a warm environment where toning is the optimal product, then the coins were artificially toned. Now, if you dropped some coins in a trunk, didn't know they were there for a long while, and upon cleaning the trunk out, you found that the coins had toned, I guess that would be NT. >>
By your definition, if I were looking at a coin, there is absolutely no way for me to tell between an AT and an NT coin...
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<< <i>Intent is NOT the deciding factor. Method is it, NOT intent.
I think ACCELERATING the process is the deciding factor; as in direct exposure to high levels of chemical and or baking them.
How many people bought Wayte-Raymond books to tone their coins beautifully? Are these AT coins? I think not. >>
What method of toning is not "natural"? They all are. The only difference is the intent. If you spill a chemical on a coin (which has happened to me with change lying around), there's nothing artificial about that. It's a natural process. The speed with which it happens is irrelevant. What matters (and what everyone who debates whether a coin was AT or NT seems to be looking for) is whether or not the toning was put there intentionally. The reason something gets designated AT has nothing to do with the speed with which it was done. AT gets flagged because you can tell it was done on purpose.
And putting your coins in a book to preserve them sounds like NT, to me.
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<< <i>You throw some coins in a trunk, then place the trunk in the attic for the sole purpose of toning the coins. After a couple of years, you go up to the attic, dig the trunk out, and open it to find some knock out toned coins. Are the coins AT?
-David >>
Replace the word **toning*...to **storing**.......?!?!?!?
..It makes a world of difference.......!!!!!
The intent is the deed.......the result is debatable.
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<< <i>If you throw the coins in the trunk with the express purpose of toning them, and store them in a warm environment where toning is the optimal product, then the coins were artificially toned. Now, if you dropped some coins in a trunk, didn't know they were there for a long while, and upon cleaning the trunk out, you found that the coins had toned, I guess that would be NT. >>
By your definition, if I were looking at a coin, there is absolutely no way for me to tell between an AT and an NT coin... >>
Just like a lot of other situations, it's often difficult to tell intent. But you have to admit that what collectors look for is whether or not it appears someone messed with a coin on purpose. NT can't possibly mean simply that it was done through a natural process, because chemical processes in and of themselves are natural.
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I'm buried with my entire coin collection.....
Years later my heirs dig me up to cash in on the coins.....
AT or NT ?
Yeah, but I think at times there is a fine line between AT and NT. Regardless of intent, the coins get toned by the same process.
JMO of course, and I am in no way condoning the act of ATing coins.
Dennis
Looking for PCGS AU58 Washington's, 32-63.
AT coeffecient is indrectly proportional to time
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
<< <i>What if......
I'm buried with my entire coin collection.....
Years later my heirs dig me up to cash in on the coins.....
AT or NT ? >>
1) You presumably didn't bury the coins to tone them, so the coins themselves would be NT.
2) You would definitely be NT (but I don't think that particular chemical process is as aesthetically appealing with humans. )
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Artificial toning is the formation of oxides, sulfides, or other compounds on the surfaces of a coin by any process other than that which causes natural toning.
All toning is the same. It all happens from the same chemical reaction(s.) There is no way of telling if a coin was intended to tone or if it toned without direct action taken by a person.
I really do think this AT vs. NT debate is one of the rare problems in numismatics that was actually created by US!
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<< <i>I don't mean to be rude, but this discussion is ridiculous.
All toning is the same. It all happens from the same chemical reaction(s.) There is no way of telling if a coin was intended to tone or if it toned without direct action taken by a person.
I really do think this AT vs. NT debate is one of the rare problems in numismatics that was actually created by US! >>
All toning is not the same.